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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-16 18:53:56
May 16 2016 18:52 GMT
#76521
lets continue to hold hillary to a separate, higher bar shall we

i feel like people's opinions about the transcripts are almost a litmus test at this point. when they come out they'll be a rorschach test

i expect her to come out with the transcripts after the primary is over, though i dont particularly care. obama will probably be like "for crying out loud its the same stuff i say at commencements" if people try to make a fuss about it
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 16 2016 18:52 GMT
#76522
People don’t care about the transcripts or returns, only how the candidate responds when asked about them. Trumps “none of your business” is the exact wrong response. Clinton will likely release those speeches at some point in the future.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
May 16 2016 18:57 GMT
#76523
I don't care about the Hillary speech transcript because I already feel confident I know what it says (approximately).
The Trump returns I'm mildly interested in because I'm not sure about his financial situation, and his assets are relevant to one of his qualifications. But I do'nt care that much since the other issues are sufficient to make a decision on voting.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24369 Posts
May 16 2016 19:00 GMT
#76524
On May 17 2016 03:52 ticklishmusic wrote:
lets continue to hold hillary to a separate, higher bar shall we

i feel like people's opinions about the transcripts are almost a litmus test at this point. when they come out they'll be a rorschach test

i expect her to come out with the transcripts after the primary is over, though i dont particularly care. obama will probably be like "for crying out loud its the same stuff i say at commencements" if people try to make a fuss about it


What separate higher bar? She and her supporters keep saying that, but can't point to what speeches others aren't releasing.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12016 Posts
May 16 2016 19:03 GMT
#76525
IQ Tests are not designed as a competition, they are designed as a tool for diagnosis. If you really want to score good at one, just get access to the exact same test that is going to be used beforehand and prepare your answers, possibly with a group of people. A good IQ test is hard to design, usually changes depending on what country you are in, and they are not freshly designed for each and every single testee. In fact, that would not even work since they need to be calibrated with a representative sample of the population to work. And thus, they become really easy to cheat if you actually want to. But the people who take those tests usually don't want to cheat them, since they are usually part of diagnosing something or other.

If you challenge other people to IQ tests, you demonstrate a distinct lack of knowledge regarding how they actually work.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
May 16 2016 19:14 GMT
#76526
On May 17 2016 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2016 03:52 ticklishmusic wrote:
lets continue to hold hillary to a separate, higher bar shall we

i feel like people's opinions about the transcripts are almost a litmus test at this point. when they come out they'll be a rorschach test

i expect her to come out with the transcripts after the primary is over, though i dont particularly care. obama will probably be like "for crying out loud its the same stuff i say at commencements" if people try to make a fuss about it


What separate higher bar? She and her supporters keep saying that, but can't point to what speeches others aren't releasing.

The Sanders still haven't released their actual tax returns, and the college Mrs Sanders got a golden parachute after running into the ground just closed directly due to her mismanagment of the college's finances. So yeah thats the equal standard people want matched.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 16 2016 19:18 GMT
#76527
Burlington College announced they're closing today coincidentally
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 16 2016 19:27 GMT
#76528
The CIA's Inspector General's office admitted it accidentally erased its copy of the Senate Intelligence Committee's long-delayed and highly controversial 2015 torture report, Yahoo News reported.

According to Yahoo, the nearly 7,000-page report was deleted in 2015. First, a document was "mistakingly" deleted, then the disk itself.

"The deletion of the document has been portrayed by agency officials to Senate investigators as an 'inadvertent' foul up by the inspector general. In what one intelligence community source described as a series of errors straight 'out of the Keystone Cops,'" Yahoo reported.

While there are more copies of the Senate's torture report, the incident sounded the alarm for Senate intel committee staffers who had worked for several years preparing the report and fighting with the CIA over its contents and its release. At one point, it was revealed that the CIA had spied on the Senate computers where staffers had been working.

The fact that it was the inspector general's office – which is supposed to be an impartial check on the CIA– that deleted the report only added to frustration within the Senate's intel committee when they were first alerted of the breach last summer, Yahoo reported.


Source
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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
May 16 2016 19:30 GMT
#76529
Excuses that don't even work on your professor must work on the nation.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 16 2016 19:30 GMT
#76530
How did they erase all the entire report and all the information gathered to compile the report? More importantly, why can’t they just write a new one? How the hell was all that information on one computer? There is no way that a single person worked on the report.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22638 Posts
May 16 2016 19:41 GMT
#76531
On May 17 2016 04:30 Plansix wrote:
How did they erase all the entire report and all the information gathered to compile the report? More importantly, why can’t they just write a new one? How the hell was all that information on one computer? There is no way that a single person worked on the report.

The quote says their are multiple copies around. The CIA just lost theirs.

And ofcourse they didn't accidentally delete it, no one believes that for even a second.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 16 2016 19:45 GMT
#76532
idk why bother with this charade, it just makes the cia look incompetent
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22638 Posts
May 16 2016 19:48 GMT
#76533
On May 17 2016 04:45 ticklishmusic wrote:
idk why bother with this charade, it just makes the cia look incompetent

A lot worse then incompetent but people in trouble do strange things to try and save their ass.
Like throwing away an incrimination report and hoping that pretending you don't have it will change anything about the numerous copies that exist.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
May 16 2016 19:59 GMT
#76534
On May 17 2016 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2016 03:52 ticklishmusic wrote:
lets continue to hold hillary to a separate, higher bar shall we

i feel like people's opinions about the transcripts are almost a litmus test at this point. when they come out they'll be a rorschach test

i expect her to come out with the transcripts after the primary is over, though i dont particularly care. obama will probably be like "for crying out loud its the same stuff i say at commencements" if people try to make a fuss about it


What separate higher bar? She and her supporters keep saying that, but can't point to what speeches others aren't releasing.


The bar where Sanders doesn't need a plan, just a promise for change that will magically happen when the GOP majority magically leaves and manufacturing just magically comes back while 15 trillion in spending is okay while hilary's 10 trillion in spending makes her a corporate shill.

The bar where Hilary uses normal nomenclature in a video for decades past is more anti-black than Bernie calling blacks violent psychopaths is simply "out of context."

The bar where almost every single democratic ally in the house and senate already are supportive and wanting to help Hilary push forward her plans, but they are derided by you for not wanting to do what an old white guy says.

The part where Hilary is 2-3 million votes ahead of Sanders but SHE is the one you accuse of being unlikable.

The part where Bernie could not even tell people whether or not he could even break up big banks when asked directly, or (after hounding Hilary for it for months) eventually said he'd just do what hilary was saying she'd do and use Dodd Frank to make his big attack on the banks.

The fact that he keeps not saying anything, only doing the things Hilary and Obama already are doing, all while telling people not to trust the DNC or Democrats in his attempt to ensure a republican house and senate.

Bernie is dangerous to liberals--much more than Trump. Not because Trump has less dangerous goals--but Bernie is much more competent at actually following through with his dangerous plans than trump.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 16 2016 20:01 GMT
#76535
On May 17 2016 03:37 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
right because IQ tests are accurate measures of intelligence. Not even the guy who invented them thought that.

IQs are like power levels: even the creator says that they're full of shit but people still use them because we like to think that that sort of thing can be ranked and quantified.

On the CIA: honestly I think that many times the CIA is really that incompetent. Here, either they fucked up and deleted the data or they fucked up and deleted one copy for which there are backups, and made themselves look like morons to the public without any real benefits for doing so. CIA isn't a very good liar.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-16 20:09:10
May 16 2016 20:07 GMT
#76536
Bernie Bonus: his supporters are thugs who try to use heckler's vetos to shut down delegate processes. Hillary won Nevada by 5% but they tried to bully their way into a Sanders "Win" in Nevada by shouting and yelling and refusing to abide by the voted results. We hear endless whining about how the system is Rigged and Corrupt, but these Berniebros certainly love trying to overturn Democratic processes via thuggery.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/15/chaos_at_nevada_democratic_convention_dnc_leaders_flee_building_as_sanders_supporters_demand_recount.html

EDIT: the Nevada caucus results were 52.6% Hillary, 47.3% Bernie. No amount of yelling and intimidation should result in a Bernie "Win" when he lost at the voting level.
Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14211 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-16 20:22:05
May 16 2016 20:17 GMT
#76537
On May 17 2016 04:59 Naracs_Duc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2016 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 17 2016 03:52 ticklishmusic wrote:
lets continue to hold hillary to a separate, higher bar shall we

i feel like people's opinions about the transcripts are almost a litmus test at this point. when they come out they'll be a rorschach test

i expect her to come out with the transcripts after the primary is over, though i dont particularly care. obama will probably be like "for crying out loud its the same stuff i say at commencements" if people try to make a fuss about it


What separate higher bar? She and her supporters keep saying that, but can't point to what speeches others aren't releasing.


The bar where Sanders doesn't need a plan, just a promise for change that will magically happen when the GOP majority magically leaves and manufacturing just magically comes back while 15 trillion in spending is okay while hilary's 10 trillion in spending makes her a corporate shill.

The bar where Hilary uses normal nomenclature in a video for decades past is more anti-black than Bernie calling blacks violent psychopaths is simply "out of context."

The bar where almost every single democratic ally in the house and senate already are supportive and wanting to help Hilary push forward her plans, but they are derided by you for not wanting to do what an old white guy says.

The part where Hilary is 2-3 million votes ahead of Sanders but SHE is the one you accuse of being unlikable.

The part where Bernie could not even tell people whether or not he could even break up big banks when asked directly, or (after hounding Hilary for it for months) eventually said he'd just do what hilary was saying she'd do and use Dodd Frank to make his big attack on the banks.

The fact that he keeps not saying anything, only doing the things Hilary and Obama already are doing, all while telling people not to trust the DNC or Democrats in his attempt to ensure a republican house and senate.

Bernie is dangerous to liberals--much more than Trump. Not because Trump has less dangerous goals--but Bernie is much more competent at actually following through with his dangerous plans than trump.

1. Politicians have always made promises without a concrete plan on how to do it. See Obama "hope and change"

2. "Super predator" isn't normal nomenclature at any point in history. People don't even use that for super sexual predators.

3. If it was just what an old white guys says the primary wouldn't be contested as it is. People wanting the progressive party to actually be progressive isn't just "wanting to do what an old white guy says"

4. She has terrible likability in polls of people. This isn't something that people are just accusing her of it has polling data to back it up.

5. See number 1.

6. This point of yours makes no sense and is a lie at the best of interpretation.

7. Bernie isn't dangerous to Liberals hes dangerous to conservative and moderate democrats that don't want to worry about their base and want them to just keep voteing them into office without moving the country anywhere.

People said the same things about Obama being held to a different standard just because hes black.but instead its because shes a woman. The answer is no and yes. Sexists gets to disagree with her because shes sexist and hide behind shitty reasons and regular people get called sexist because they disagree with her on legitimate reasons.

On May 17 2016 05:07 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Bernie Bonus: his supporters are thugs who try to use heckler's vetos to shut down delegate processes. Hillary won Nevada by 5% but they tried to bully their way into a Sanders "Win" in Nevada by shouting and yelling and refusing to abide by the voted results. We hear endless whining about how the system is Rigged and Corrupt, but these Berniebros certainly love trying to overturn Democratic processes via thuggery.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/15/chaos_at_nevada_democratic_convention_dnc_leaders_flee_building_as_sanders_supporters_demand_recount.html

EDIT: the Nevada caucus results were 52.6% Hillary, 47.3% Bernie. No amount of yelling and intimidation should result in a Bernie "Win" when he lost at the voting level.

what in the fuck is a "heckler's veto" its called people being dumb enough to use voice votes in a contested election. If you read anything about it you'd see how much of a farce Nevada was. The recount people motioned for was because they handed out petitions as people were coming in and in the lines to register which ment that delegates weren't voting on anything.

You'd think a party calling itself the democratic party would have experience with holding a democratic process in their meetings.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 16 2016 20:27 GMT
#76538
Found something somebody might care about: Wealthiest candidates for president.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
May 16 2016 20:27 GMT
#76539
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler's_veto

"In common parlance, the term is used to describe situations where hecklers and/or demonstrators silence a speaker without intervention of the law."

Stamping your feet when you lose and screaming at the speakers until they have to escorted out of the building isn't Democracy. Hecklers don't have the right to shut down public speakers because they want to yell.
Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-16 20:33:17
May 16 2016 20:31 GMT
#76540
The thing I dislike most about this election how prone people are to conspiracy theories once the results don’t go the way they want. Sanders wins a bunch of primaries in a row, but loses one and people flip their shit. If it didn’t happen every single time he lost, I might consider it an issue for that specific state. But we have reached boy who cried wolf levels.

Edit: Heckling is 100% part of the democratic process. Just like poorly thought out protests are part of college process. A grand tradition supported by our for fathers, who would also have the heckler escorted out so they could speak.
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