US Politics Mega-thread - Page 3830

On May 17 2016 12:30 Mohdoo wrote:
oneofthem kept telling us they were nuts. we thought it was memes but it was prophecy.

On May 17 2016 13:33 JumboJohnson wrote:
No it'd be great! I've heard she used the same email setup as Hilary.

On May 17 2016 14:33 WhiteDog wrote:

This word "racist" is thrown so much it might become a name in a generation or two. Meet John Racist !
In Hillary Clinton plan against global warming, there's even a reference to "environmental racism" to justify action against global warming... Because fighting the destruction of the environment is not progressive enough lol

On May 17 2016 14:33 WhiteDog wrote:

This word "racist" is thrown so much it might become a name in a generation or two. Meet John Racist !
In Hillary Clinton plan against global warming, there's even a reference to "environmental racism" to justify action against global warming... Because fighting the destruction of the environment is not progressive enough lol

On May 17 2016 14:43 Nyxisto wrote:
I think environmental racism refers to dumping waste and toxins and such in low income immigrant communities which seems like a pretty reasonable concern tbh

On May 17 2016 18:46 OtherWorld wrote:

But what does that have to do with race? Shit is being dumped there because they're poor and disinfranchised, not because they're of race X. We didn't wait mass immigration to consider that poor people's health was worth less than the rich's.

By this letter, the Nevada State Democratic Party (“NSDP”) hereby lodges a formal complaint regarding the conduct of supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders at the recent State Convention held in Las Vegas, Nevada on Saturday, May 14, 2016, as well as the conduct of representatives of Senator Sanders’ presidential campaign (the “Sanders Campaign”).

We believe, unfortunately, that the tactics and behavior on display here in Nevada are harbingers of things to come as Democrats gather in Philadelphia in July for our National Convention. We write to alert you to what we perceive as the Sander Campaign’s penchant for extra-parliamentary behavior—indeed, actual violence—in place of democratic conduct in a convention setting, and furthermore what we can only describe as their encouragement of, and complicity in, a very dangerous atmosphere that ended in chaos and physical threats to fellow Democrats. Indeed, the threats to the Chair of the Nevada State Democratic Party are ongoing at time of this writing, as Sanders activists have posted her cell phone and home address online, and have bombarded her with threats to her life and the safety of her family. We have attached some examples of this conduct, which is not merely offensive but obviously criminal in nature. We can provide audio of threatening phone calls made directly to the Chair, which now number in the hundreds.

The explosive situation arose in large part because a portion of the community of Sanders delegates arrived at the Nevada Democratic State Convention believing itself to be a vanguard intent upon sparking a street-fight rather than attending an orderly political party process. Surprised and outraged at the idea of being out-organized and thus outnumbered in the convention hall by Clinton delegates, a portion of the Sanders delegation rushed the dais immediately upon the opening of the convention and halted the progress of any convention business for much of the day. Indeed, every point during which Sanders delegates did not agree with any aspect of the proceedings saw them press up against the dais and scream obscenities and threats at the Chair, First Vice Chair, and any other speaker. In fact, event security provided by the Paris Las Vegas Hotel & Casino took it upon themselves to increase the security perimeter around the dais so the convention could simply move forward with its routine business in relative safety. In other words, the hour-to-hour business of Nevada Democrats was necessarily conducted in an atmosphere of impending eruption of physical threats and intimidation for more than 12 hours. Scuffles, screams from bullhorns, and profane insults marked nearly the entirety of the event. Numerous medical emergencies among delegates pressed up against the dais had to be attended to throughout the day. [...]

On May 17 2016 20:17 kwizach wrote:
NV Democrats have filed a complaint to the DNC against the Sanders campaign over the events at the Nevada state convention (the entire letter is worth reading):


Source

The explosive situation arose in large part because a portion of the community of Sanders delegates arrived at the Nevada Democratic State Convention believing itself to be a vanguard intent upon sparking a street-fight rather than attending an orderly political party process.

On May 17 2016 20:48 GreenHorizons wrote:



Oh wow...



lol. I'd like us all to imagine the same Sandernistas that have been described here "sparking a fight" with Hillary's overwhelmingly senior citizen supporters.

Anyway, the chair disregarding motions and ignoring procedure had people upset without a doubt. The chair called a vote on the rules early in order to ensure they could win the vote (not that it would have mattered the chair later showed) avoiding petitions that were submitted meeting the requirements, and so on. Hillary supporters did everything they could to manipulate the rules so they could undue the county conventions Sanders delegates aren't hip to how that works and got caught walking from the parking which was blocks away for many.

With how this has all been handled, Hillary acting oblivious to it, and everything else, I wouldn't even feel a little bad not voting Clinton or generic D this election at this point.

On May 17 2016 21:50 kwizach wrote:

You're peddling fantasy, not describing what happened. Nobody tried to manipulate the rules, unjustly disqualify delegates or disregard procedures (except, with regards to the latter, Sanders supporters). There were more eligible Clinton delegates than eligible Sanders delegates, it's as simple as that. It's Sanders who's acting oblivious to the contemptible behavior of his delegates, not Clinton.