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Out of curiosity, does anyone have good data for how Perot's campaign affected the success of his business? Or how running for president affects any current businessman for that matter.
On March 31 2016 11:31 SK.Testie wrote: I'm a little unsure at people being very thrilled at releasing criminals whom individuals, both judges and police at some point thought deserved long sentences behind bars. There's many criminals that are 'caught and released'.
There is a term "institutionalized racism" that floats around Bernie & Hillary's camp. Is that not discarding the opinions of a shitload of police officers, lawyers, and judges? Is that not painting an entire swath of people and the system with too simple a brush?
Of the 5000 minor drug offenders released was this guy. Is there a site where you can see the crimes of each individual being released? Their rap sheet or lack thereof? Also, often times police have to catch person whom they know is a violent offender on other minor offenses such as drug charges. So whenever it's.. 'yes we should give pardons to people who were put in for minor drug offenses' you are kind of going against the judgment of the individuals whom put those people behind bars to begin with. There's many cases that need individual review. But in this particular case, 3 people lost their lives because of Obama releasing as little as 5000 'minor' offenders.
lol
prisons dont even work. like, prisons dont even reduce crime. at all.
True, it's much better to keep an arms length away iirc. Bang-up job on Cologne btw. (And Hamburg, Bielefeld, Dusseldorf, Dortmund, Frankfurt, and Stuttgart).
The whole thing is pointless anyway. I mean, conviction rate of murder in US is about 1/20000, that means, out of 20000 new born babies, 1 would likely to be convicted of murder. What we gonna do, stop having children? Given the background of the people released, 1/5000 would not shock anyone who has some common sense.
Unless you want equip all law enforcement with crystal balls, shit gonna happen. All that matters is does the punishment suit the crime they already committed, not the ones they could theoretically commit in the future.
I think it'd be difficult to compare Perot with Trump given Perot's age and markedly more politically interested activities, both before and after he ran. If anything, a comparison with Perot is a good basis for establishing that Trump is mostly involved in the presidential race for the benefit of his ego above all else.
A nice column by Charles Blow on Susan Sarandon's, and others', "Bernie or Bust":
‘Bernie or Bust’ Is Bonkers
What was Sarandon talking about with her coy language? “Bring the revolution”? Exactly what kind of revolution? “Explode”? Was the purpose to present this as a difficult but ultimately positive development?
The comments smacked of petulance and privilege.
No member of an American minority group — whether ethnic, racial, queer-identified, immigrant, refugee or poor — would (or should) assume the luxury of uttering such a imbecilic phrase, filled with lust for doom.
But I don’t doubt that she has met “some people” with a Bernie-or-bust, scorched-earth electoral portentousness. As The Wall Street Journal reported earlier this month, “A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll indicates one third of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders’ supporters cannot see themselves voting for Hillary Clinton in November.”
Be absolutely clear: While there are meaningful differences between Clinton and Sanders, either would be a far better choice for president than any of the remaining Republican contenders, especially the demagogic real estate developer. Assisting or allowing his ascendance by electoral abstinence in order to force a “revolution” is heretical.
This position is dangerous, shortsighted and self-immolating.
If Sanders wins the nomination, liberals should rally round him. Conversely, if Clinton does, they should rally round her.
This is not a game. The presidency, particularly the next one, matters, and elections can be decided by relatively small margins. No president has won the popular vote by more than 10 percentage points since Ronald Reagan in 1984.
Sarandon needs to retire from the political game or, at the very least, tone down the bullshit quite a bit. Likewise, Sarah Silverman's bullshit reasoning behind her support for Sanders is infuriatingly stupid and short-sighted. Goddamn celebs ruining everything.
as this group attaches to a particular critical discourse about the establishment there will be fertile ground for a populist left kind of party. it is just lacking in leadership atm. a sufficiently defiant guy may lead the charge with this group and be quite successful.
If Sanders wins the nomination, liberals should rally round him.
Of course, but maybe those people who would not vote for Hillary are not "liberals".
This reminds me of how silly it is to look at who picks up "independents" in primaries as a marker for appeal to the center or moderates when "independent" is increasingly a trendy label for "anti-establishment." I'm sure this effect has only become more pronounced since 2012, but it was definitely happening then and if another analysis were done it has only gotten stronger now.
If Sanders wins the nomination, liberals should rally round him.
Of course, but maybe those people who would not vote for Hillary are not "liberals".
This reminds me of how silly it is to look at who picks up "independents" in primaries as a marker for appeal to the center or moderates when "independent" is increasingly a trendy label for "anti-establishment." I'm sure this effect has only become more pronounced since 2012, but it was definitely happening then and if another analysis were done it has only gotten stronger now.
Maybe some of the poll break down more than just self-identification to get at the moderate independents, but I have never seen that mentioned.
Yeah, I feel like not too long ago, moderate meant that each party had some component that alienated that person. Now it seems to mean "I am resentful of the fact that my party doesn't fit me insanely well". That's why I think Bernie picking up independents is somewhat misleading. These are people who decided Obama isn't liberal enough, not people who are politically center.
On March 31 2016 23:26 kwizach wrote: A nice column by Charles Blow on Susan Sarandon's, and others', "Bernie or Bust":
What was Sarandon talking about with her coy language? “Bring the revolution”? Exactly what kind of revolution? “Explode”? Was the purpose to present this as a difficult but ultimately positive development?
The comments smacked of petulance and privilege.
No member of an American minority group — whether ethnic, racial, queer-identified, immigrant, refugee or poor — would (or should) assume the luxury of uttering such a imbecilic phrase, filled with lust for doom.
But I don’t doubt that she has met “some people” with a Bernie-or-bust, scorched-earth electoral portentousness. As The Wall Street Journal reported earlier this month, “A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll indicates one third of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders’ supporters cannot see themselves voting for Hillary Clinton in November.”
Be absolutely clear: While there are meaningful differences between Clinton and Sanders, either would be a far better choice for president than any of the remaining Republican contenders, especially the demagogic real estate developer. Assisting or allowing his ascendance by electoral abstinence in order to force a “revolution” is heretical.
This position is dangerous, shortsighted and self-immolating.
If Sanders wins the nomination, liberals should rally round him. Conversely, if Clinton does, they should rally round her.
This is not a game. The presidency, particularly the next one, matters, and elections can be decided by relatively small margins. No president has won the popular vote by more than 10 percentage points since Ronald Reagan in 1984.
I think it's interesting that the media is so non-focused on Cruz right now. Is there anyone liberal leaning on this board that would be more comfortable with Cruz than Trump?
On April 01 2016 01:58 oneofthem wrote: that's a weird question.
Not really, Republicans desperately don't want Trump and it looks like they may be able to stop him from winning before the convention (although still reasonably unlikely). If they did, one option would be to pick the guy running the best in heads up polls.
It's clear Hillary wouldn't be able to make Kasich into the villian that she could Trump or even Cruz, so I wonder whether Republicans would vote Kasich to beat Hillary.
Or would Bernie make you more likely to vote Kasich than him against Hillary would?
As an aside, it looks like Hillary had her first superdelegate defection today.
On April 01 2016 01:58 oneofthem wrote: that's a weird question.
Not really, Republicans desperately don't want Trump and it looks like they may be able to stop him from winning before the convention (although still reasonably unlikely). If they did, one option would be to pick the guy running the best in heads up polls.
It's clear Hillary wouldn't be able to make Kasich into the villian that she could Trump or even Cruz, so I wonder whether Republicans would vote Kasich to beat Hillary.
Or would Bernie make you more likely to vote Kasich than him against Hillary would?
You haven't noticed republicans bending over backwards to defend trump in the last month/month and a half? They will have horrible turnout, but half of them are dumb enough to support him just because he's on the republican ticket.
On April 01 2016 01:58 oneofthem wrote: that's a weird question.
Not really, Republicans desperately don't want Trump and it looks like they may be able to stop him from winning before the convention (although still reasonably unlikely). If they did, one option would be to pick the guy running the best in heads up polls.
It's clear Hillary wouldn't be able to make Kasich into the villian that she could Trump or even Cruz, so I wonder whether Republicans would vote Kasich to beat Hillary.
Or would Bernie make you more likely to vote Kasich than him against Hillary would?
As an aside, it looks like Hillary had her first superdelegate defection today.
kasich would be the higher bound of desirability by republicans. why would republicans not vote for kasich over hillary?
If Sanders wins the nomination, liberals should rally round him.
Of course, but maybe those people who would not vote for Hillary are not "liberals".
This reminds me of how silly it is to look at who picks up "independents" in primaries as a marker for appeal to the center or moderates when "independent" is increasingly a trendy label for "anti-establishment." I'm sure this effect has only become more pronounced since 2012, but it was definitely happening then and if another analysis were done it has only gotten stronger now.
Maybe some of the poll break down more than just self-identification to get at the moderate independents, but I have never seen that mentioned.
Yeah, I feel like not too long ago, moderate meant that each party had some component that alienated that person. Now it seems to mean "I am resentful of the fact that my party doesn't fit me insanely well". That's why I think Bernie picking up independents is somewhat misleading. These are people who decided Obama isn't liberal enough, not people who are politically center.
On March 31 2016 23:26 kwizach wrote: A nice column by Charles Blow on Susan Sarandon's, and others', "Bernie or Bust":
‘Bernie or Bust’ Is Bonkers
What was Sarandon talking about with her coy language? “Bring the revolution”? Exactly what kind of revolution? “Explode”? Was the purpose to present this as a difficult but ultimately positive development?
The comments smacked of petulance and privilege.
No member of an American minority group — whether ethnic, racial, queer-identified, immigrant, refugee or poor — would (or should) assume the luxury of uttering such a imbecilic phrase, filled with lust for doom.
But I don’t doubt that she has met “some people” with a Bernie-or-bust, scorched-earth electoral portentousness. As The Wall Street Journal reported earlier this month, “A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll indicates one third of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders’ supporters cannot see themselves voting for Hillary Clinton in November.”
Be absolutely clear: While there are meaningful differences between Clinton and Sanders, either would be a far better choice for president than any of the remaining Republican contenders, especially the demagogic real estate developer. Assisting or allowing his ascendance by electoral abstinence in order to force a “revolution” is heretical.
This position is dangerous, shortsighted and self-immolating.
If Sanders wins the nomination, liberals should rally round him. Conversely, if Clinton does, they should rally round her.
This is not a game. The presidency, particularly the next one, matters, and elections can be decided by relatively small margins. No president has won the popular vote by more than 10 percentage points since Ronald Reagan in 1984.
I think it's interesting that the media is so non-focused on Cruz right now. Is there anyone liberal leaning on this board that would be more comfortable with Cruz than Trump?
I am liberal-leaning and at this point I would definitely be more comfortable with Cruz than Trump. This has changed only recently for me, because Trump seems relatively moderate on many social issues while Cruz seems extremely focused on social conservatism. It's his focus that scares me; while I view Trump as a blindfolded kid with a pinata bat I view Cruz as a man with a hammer, taking aim at social policies I consider important.
I've changed my mind because it has become clear to me that the damage little Trump can do with his pinata bat is far more significant than I originally hoped. At least Cruz has principles that he sticks to...I can fathom what a successful Cruz presidency would look to him. With Trump, that's a blank slate and I don't want to see what it would look like. There are too many variables and almost all of them hinge on Trump's mood on any given day or whether or not he feels slighted by whichever political power.
On April 01 2016 01:58 oneofthem wrote: that's a weird question.
Not really, Republicans desperately don't want Trump and it looks like they may be able to stop him from winning before the convention (although still reasonably unlikely). If they did, one option would be to pick the guy running the best in heads up polls.
It's clear Hillary wouldn't be able to make Kasich into the villian that she could Trump or even Cruz, so I wonder whether Republicans would vote Kasich to beat Hillary.
Or would Bernie make you more likely to vote Kasich than him against Hillary would?
As an aside, it looks like Hillary had her first superdelegate defection today.
Sigh.... Yes Republicans would vote Kasich over Hillary. No, picking Kasich at a brokered convention will not help the Republicans in the slightest since all of Cruz/Trump supporters will walk away from the party and make them still utterly unable to win. Even with Kasich they will most likely not win the independent vote.
There is no 'win' scenario here. Either Trump is the candidate or a significant part of the voters walk away after having been utterly betrayed by the 'establishment'.