EPTthe problem atm is not necessarily political will or recognition of the problem of inequality. hillary and the democrat party have focused on inequality for a while. it's more of a debate over methods and policies.
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
the problem atm is not necessarily political will or recognition of the problem of inequality. hillary and the democrat party have focused on inequality for a while. it's more of a debate over methods and policies. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Not nearly as good for the popcorn industry as the Republican poop-throwing contest though | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23575 Posts
On April 01 2016 03:19 ticklishmusic wrote: It should be a debate of method and policy, now it's complaints (by both sides) about stuff like voter suppression, tactics, honesty, etc. Not nearly as good for the popcorn industry as the Republican poop-throwing contest though Are you going to seriously tell us you don't think there has been voter suppression this cycle? Or just that we shouldn't talk about it? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
prime example being glass steagall, tpp etc. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On April 01 2016 02:27 GreenHorizons wrote: That's why I'm asking if Trump/Cruz supporters here would actually walk away or if they would begrudgingly vote for Kasich. Because without them walking away, Hillary losing to Kasich is a real possibility, should that be the general election matchup. Man that would be awesome, I'd take Kasich over Hillary any day | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On April 01 2016 03:19 ticklishmusic wrote: It should be a debate of method and policy, now it's complaints (by both sides) about stuff like voter suppression, tactics, honesty, etc. Not nearly as good for the popcorn industry as the Republican poop-throwing contest though I honestly think those are important issues that should be addressed as well. Perhaps not in a "blame Hillary" sort of way but nevertheless neither party leadership has conducted itself well this cycle. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Is there an interview with Hillary out there that looks something like that (conversation style) EDIT: I found stuff like this + Show Spoiler + I guess she always talks like this? Would kill for actually hearing one of her conversations where she speaks her mind, guess that's never gonna happen | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
http://equitablegrowth.org/ her advisors are preeminent left-centrist economists. i think the loveable stiglitz is the most leftwing guy lol. i'd much rather to have the hillary economics team occupy the loud space currently taken up by sandernistas screaming bloody murder everywhere. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14073 Posts
On April 01 2016 03:10 Mohdoo wrote: A significant portion of the democratic party only cares about winning and sees no chance for someone who defends socialism. Defending socialism can not win over the 50+ vote and that's where the train stops. I would love to have Sanders as president and I've donated to his campaign because I appreciate the fact that he has body slammed the national conversation as to what it means to be a democrat. It needed to happen, but it does need to stop at one point. At all costs, Bernie can not be the nominee. I love him having a voice, even if it is blatantly ignorant as is the case with GMOs and nuclear energy. Both parties needed to get body slammed this year and I'm glad it happened. If the democrats can manage to pull it all back in, I think we'll be great. So you'd be perfectly happy with another 8 years of Obama style gridlock where the president is a conservative democrat that the house and senate hate and won't work with? Bernie may be a socialist but he isn't anywhere near the conversation of Hillary in ammunition to use against them in a congressional or senate race. At least with bernie you can shoot for mars and be happy you got to the moon. | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
Hillary started without giving a shit, continues to not give a shit, and has largely convinced me that she is not even capable of giving a shit about roughly half of her supposed base, let alone the american people as a whole. Trump tells it like it is, Hillary tells it the way her focus groups best reacted to. She worse than trump because she can't even people properly. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15726 Posts
On April 01 2016 03:45 Sermokala wrote: So you'd be perfectly happy with another 8 years of Obama style gridlock where the president is a conservative democrat that the house and senate hate and won't work with? Bernie may be a socialist but he isn't anywhere near the conversation of Hillary in ammunition to use against them in a congressional or senate race. At least with bernie you can shoot for mars and be happy you got to the moon. I think if Bernie won the nomination, Kasich becomes a viable candidate for the GOP. The fight against socialism could be very, very easily framed. Even with horrible GOP turnout, I think Bernie would lose to the 50+ vote. It would turn into a fight between youth and baby boomers. I think we lose that fight. Especially with the stuff going on in Venezuela. Or the USSR. The media fight is just so easy against socialism. First of all, its an ism. Second of all, Obama fought hard against being called a socialist. I think that Bernie would be forced to say "whoa whoa I'm not an ACTUAL socialist, I just believe in social policies" or something like that. And as soon as he is forced to clarify himself as not an actual socialist, I think the ship sinks. Bernie's movement essentially aims to de-stigmatize socialism. I truly think that is not possible today. In 10 years, easy. Lots of dead baby boomers at that point. I suppose that's where my skepticism ultimately comes from: Defeating baby boomers. On April 01 2016 04:02 Jormundr wrote: Supporting GMOs is supporting the petty rent-seeking environment of modern farming in the US. Nuclear has multiple problems which include waste disposal and (As of high school) a rapidly exhaustible supply of fissile materials. Hillary started without giving a shit, continues to not give a shit, and has largely convinced me that she is not even capable of giving a shit about roughly half of her supposed base, let alone the american people as a whole. Trump tells it like it is, Hillary tells it the way her focus groups best reacted to. She worse than trump because she can't even people properly. Your perspective on both GMOs and nuclear energy are not supported by scientific consensus. What perspective or knowledge do you have that gives you confidence against scientific consensus? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On April 01 2016 03:45 Sermokala wrote: So you'd be perfectly happy with another 8 years of Obama style gridlock where the president is a conservative democrat that the house and senate hate and won't work with? Bernie may be a socialist but he isn't anywhere near the conversation of Hillary in ammunition to use against them in a congressional or senate race. At least with bernie you can shoot for mars and be happy you got to the moon. ? Obama is not conservative by any means (certainly not his campaign version), his hands were mostly tied by a (deliberately obstructionist) Republican Congress and real world considerations. | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
Speaking of the "moderate" Kasich.... Kasich has managed to make himself look like the responsible moderate in the horror movie that is the Republican presidential primary, but it’s important to recognize that he’s neither responsible nor moderate. If he seems that way to you, it’s a measure both of how awful and extremist his competitors are and of how effectively Kasich has flown beneath the radar. Kasich showed off some of his reality, though, in a Wednesday night town hall, blaming high infant mortality on “the minority community:” "I will tell you this: The issue of infant mortality is a tough one. We have taken that on, and one of the toughest areas to take on is in the minority community, and the community itself is going to have to have a better partnership with all of us to begin to solve that problem of infant mortality in the minority community, cause we’re making gains in the majority community. We don’t ignore any of this, Chuck. These are serious issues and they need to be addressed and I don’t put my head in the sand and if I’ve got to get people upset doing it, that’s life." Way to spin worsening racial disparities as the fault of the people being left behind! “We’re making gains in the majority community” therefore “the minority community” is at fault for their babies dying. No chance that something about your efforts and outreach to make gains in “the majority community” is more effective than your efforts and outreach to “the minority community,” or that different groups of people face different—and in some cases, bigger—challenges that their government is failing to address. According to data released last summer, Ohio ranked 45th nationally on infant mortality overall, and: Ohio's rate of black infant mortality (13.57) was second highest nationally for the 39 states where a rate could be calculated. Only Wisconsin (14) and Kansas (14.18) fared worse. But the answer is all about how “the community itself” needs to go crawling to Kasich and “have a better partnership with all of us to solve that problem of infant mortality.” Well. Isn’t that a promising approach for a presidential candidate to take toward solving infant mortality, or any issue of racial disparity? John Kasich blames 'the minority community' for Ohio's sky-high infant mortality rate | ||
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
there is also no scientific consensus, that the engineering challenges holding back planability, cost effectiveness and the complexity of the fuel cycle are nonissues with nuclear the successrate of new technology reactor projects is attrocious, nuclear is interesting playground for engineers, but from a economic and project planning perspective it is just a straight up grave of time and money with no reward. @ Jormundur Trump tells it like it is you can't be serious with this? he is nothing but illusions of grandeur | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
The FBI, U.S. Department of Justice and anti-corruption police in Britain and Australia have launched a joint investigation into revelations of a massive global bribery racket in the oil industry. The news comes as Fairfax Media and The Huffington Post reveal that U.S. giant Halliburton and its former subsidiary Kellogg, Brown & Root are embroiled in the Unaoil bribes-for-contracts scandal through their operations in former Soviet states. The biggest leak of confidential files in the history of the oil industry also unveils rampant corruption inside Italian oil giant Eni in many of the countries in which the firm has been contracted by national governments to manage their oilfields. Texas firm National Oilwell Varco, Singapore conglomerate Keppel, Norway’s Aker Kvaerner and giant Turkish joint venture GATE also are implicated. Information from hundreds of thousands of emails to Unaoil’s chief executive, Cyrus Ahsani, show individual executives and managers from Halliburton and Kellogg Brown & Root, which split in 2007, knew or suspected that Unaoil was acting corruptly to win contracts in Kazakhstan. Managers from Eni, Spanish Firm Tecnicas Reunidas, French firm Technip, drilling giant MI-SWACO and Rolls-Royce not only actively supported bribery, but were offered, or pocketed, their own kickbacks. And U.S. defense giant Honeywell and Australian firm Leighton Offshore agreed to hide bribes inside fraudulent contracts in Iraq. Companies approached by Fairfax Media and The Huffington Post about their contracts with Unaoil have emphasized their strong anti-corruption policies and have committed to investigating their dealings with Unaoil. Source | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
nuclear plants are extremely overengineered to satisfy the long time horizon and low level of radiation required by a life cycle, linear no threshold based model. this kind of restriction is not applied to any other power source. the high capital cost can be reduced by building more plants to amortize the r&d. besides, building plants actually has a positive manufacturing technology spillover effect for the rest of the economy. | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On April 01 2016 04:02 Mohdoo wrote: I think if Bernie won the nomination, Kasich becomes a viable candidate for the GOP. The fight against socialism could be very, very easily framed. Even with horrible GOP turnout, I think Bernie would lose to the 50+ vote. It would turn into a fight between youth and baby boomers. I think we lose that fight. Especially with the stuff going on in Venezuela. Or the USSR. The media fight is just so easy against socialism. First of all, its an ism. Second of all, Obama fought hard against being called a socialist. I think that Bernie would be forced to say "whoa whoa I'm not an ACTUAL socialist, I just believe in social policies" or something like that. And as soon as he is forced to clarify himself as not an actual socialist, I think the ship sinks. Bernie's movement essentially aims to de-stigmatize socialism. I truly think that is not possible today. In 10 years, easy. Lots of dead baby boomers at that point. I suppose that's where my skepticism ultimately comes from: Defeating baby boomers. Your perspective on both GMOs and nuclear energy are not supported by scientific consensus. What perspective or knowledge do you have that gives you confidence against scientific consensus? My maternal half of the family are farmers. Scientific consensus is that farming is quickly becoming a slave's job here in the US. One of my family members has been ruined by frivolous patent lawsuits because the neighbor's patented gmo crops bred with his. He didn't actually have enough to hire a patent lawyer and let's just say that rural midwest public defenders aren't really the cream of the crop. He's not alone (well he is now because he's bankrupt and his wife left him) but there are plenty of people who are robbed by crop patent lawsuits. This is before you get into the planned obsolescence of some crops which have been modified so that they are annual rather than perennial. The release of these is (shockingly) always followed by said company putting pressure on retailers not to stock the version that farmers have to buy every year. We have enough nuclear fuel (with current world consumption) for about 200 years. Source is NEA, IAEA, and it's the same number I found when I was researching this in high school. Fission is great the way it is: a short term energy solution with a massive waste externality. It's not really the future of anything. Sustainable nuclear energy has had no practical breakthroughs lately. Fusion would obviously be good. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
A bill that would allow businesses and public employees in Mississippi to deny service to same-sex couples because of their religious beliefs passed the state senate on Wednesday night. Senators voted 31-17 in favor of the Protecting Freedom of Conscience from Government Discrimination Act. Similar bills have been introduced in North Carolina and Georgia. Since signing the the bill into a law, North Carolina’s governor Pat McCrory has come under fire from LGBT activists and large US companies such as Apple, Google and Bank of America. Georgia governor Nathan Deal said he would veto his state’s law. LGBT activists say the Mississippi bill is the most discriminatory yet. It seeks to protect beliefs that marriage is a union between a man and a woman; that “sexual relations are properly reserved to such a marriage”; and that sex is determined by anatomy and genetics at birth. The bill, HB1523, will now go back to the Mississippi house, which is expected to vote in its favor a second time, having passed it in February by an 80-39 vote. The bill will then head to the desk of Mississippi governor, Phil Bryant, who is expected to sign it into law. “I don’t think it’s discriminatory,” the governor told WLOX TV earlier this week. “I think it gives some people, as I appreciate it, the right to be able to say: ‘That’s against my religious beliefs and I don’t need to carry out that particular task.’” Opponents of the bill say it will allow open discrimination against LGBT people. For example, under the law a florist or caterer could decline to work on a same-sex marriage or a doctor could refuse to provide counseling, sex-reassignment surgery or fertility treatment. Schools and companies would be able to set, in the words of the bill, “sex-specific standards or policies concerning employee or student dress or grooming”. Clerks could also decline to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, skirting federal law. Source | ||
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Nyxisto
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