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Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
March 28 2016 13:20 GMT
#69541
Pretty sure that's just because Cruz is viewed as a religious nutjob and generally scummy individual.

Trump is pretty in your face about who he is and people are going for that change up.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4355 Posts
March 28 2016 13:21 GMT
#69542
Yes, the two party system is in it's dying days, most clearly shown in UK and USA but even in Australia we've had 5 PMs in the past 5 years or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4355 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-28 13:27:01
March 28 2016 13:24 GMT
#69543
On March 28 2016 22:17 oneofthem wrote:
cruz's problem is personal more so than policy. the republican business backers can tolerate him because of his background. even if he's anti-trade and sort of nationalist now, it's not going to be that way.

trump is a total maverick and strange to them. because he's a clinton mole out to kill the gop. but really, trump is way more anti-establishment just by his appeal to the working class.

Clinton better hope she's got the nomination completely sewn up before the next economic crisis hits because the establishment will take a huge hit when the banks need to be bailed out (bailed in?) again.

The catalyst could be any one of the student debt bubble, subprime auto bubble, shale bubble or collapse of a large overseas bank in Italy or Germany.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-28 13:38:31
March 28 2016 13:29 GMT
#69544
it'll probably be some 'im smarter than everyone' hedgefund overexposed to china. but at that point they deserve the inevitable crackdown and whatnot coming their way.

student debt is already securitized by the treasury so that's not going to collapse. unless the gop decides to not fund it or something, that's always a risk nowadays.

you need something unsecured.(underlying asset getting rekt for example)
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 28 2016 13:34 GMT
#69545
If it's any comfort, the big banks have mostly wound down their BRICS exposure. So much for the next big global economic growth engine.
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killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-28 13:48:10
March 28 2016 13:47 GMT
#69546
On March 28 2016 21:52 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Streisand : Clinton fighting "outright sexism" to become president.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/article/2001725



What's funny is that insults are thrown at candidates all the time. You look at trump and people call him a bully and such.

All their sexism talk is really just typical political insults, just branded differently since she's a woman.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
March 28 2016 13:48 GMT
#69547
i dont think theyr the same lol
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 28 2016 13:51 GMT
#69548
there are clear unique challenges she is facing. much of it underlies the unfavorable-without-concrete-reason stuff from various quarters. it is not because of her being female per se but a socially liberal female. that crazy feminist tag sticks rather easily despite her own minimization
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18107 Posts
March 28 2016 13:51 GMT
#69549
On March 28 2016 22:34 ticklishmusic wrote:
If it's any comfort, the big banks have mostly wound down their BRICS exposure. So much for the next big global economic growth engine.

I reckon when this current political crisis is over, Brazil will have a course correction away from the social democratic populism of the last decade. That will probably hurt the poorest in the country, but strengthen the weakened middle class, and the economy as a whole. Then in a couple of years, Lula will have rebuilt the PT kicking out the "rotten apples" (ignoring the fact that he is completely rotten himself), and the country will swerve back towards socialist policies. One can hope that this whole process will go hand in hand with a slow and steady cleansing of the corruption and nepotism that permeates the country from top to bottom. If you're thinking of investing in Brazil, right now is probably an okay moment: the stock market is depressed, although for foreign investors it's a bit tricky to say due to the dollar being down (probably manipulated). It might be more worthwhile to wait for the dollar to rebound, but I'm not an expert.

Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 28 2016 13:53 GMT
#69550
Trump is just a victim of an anti-honesty movement that hates straight talk without the bullshit. /s
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-28 14:04:57
March 28 2016 14:02 GMT
#69551
On March 28 2016 22:51 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2016 22:34 ticklishmusic wrote:
If it's any comfort, the big banks have mostly wound down their BRICS exposure. So much for the next big global economic growth engine.

I reckon when this current political crisis is over, Brazil will have a course correction away from the social democratic populism of the last decade. That will probably hurt the poorest in the country, but strengthen the weakened middle class, and the economy as a whole. Then in a couple of years, Lula will have rebuilt the PT kicking out the "rotten apples" (ignoring the fact that he is completely rotten himself), and the country will swerve back towards socialist policies. One can hope that this whole process will go hand in hand with a slow and steady cleansing of the corruption and nepotism that permeates the country from top to bottom. If you're thinking of investing in Brazil, right now is probably an okay moment: the stock market is depressed, although for foreign investors it's a bit tricky to say due to the dollar being down (probably manipulated). It might be more worthwhile to wait for the dollar to rebound, but I'm not an expert.



I hope so. I think Brazil likely has the most potential out of those 5 countries. Russia is a rusting collection of old nuclear siloes and heavy industry, India still lacks infrastructure, China is hopelessly corrupt and still some weird commie/capitalist hybrid that takes the worst of both, and South Africa is pretty stagnant. As an aside, I also like Poland as a developing country. Young educated population, good business environment. There's a good chance for Brazil to get its shit together, but I don't know enough and while I'm not exactly a conservative investor, I want to have a fuller picture first.
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 28 2016 14:21 GMT
#69552
#Invest-in-Estonia
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
March 28 2016 14:25 GMT
#69553
On March 28 2016 22:24 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2016 22:17 oneofthem wrote:
cruz's problem is personal more so than policy. the republican business backers can tolerate him because of his background. even if he's anti-trade and sort of nationalist now, it's not going to be that way.

trump is a total maverick and strange to them. because he's a clinton mole out to kill the gop. but really, trump is way more anti-establishment just by his appeal to the working class.

Clinton better hope she's got the nomination completely sewn up before the next economic crisis hits because the establishment will take a huge hit when the banks need to be bailed out (bailed in?) again.

The catalyst could be any one of the student debt bubble, subprime auto bubble, shale bubble or collapse of a large overseas bank in Italy or Germany.


What exactly do you think caused the first bailout, out of curiosity? Because I don't think you understood what happened then, and why its unlikely to happen in the near future because of the Dodd Frank bill.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6248 Posts
March 28 2016 14:29 GMT
#69554
On March 28 2016 22:34 ticklishmusic wrote:
If it's any comfort, the big banks have mostly wound down their BRICS exposure. So much for the next big global economic growth engine.

Developing economies always grow in booms and busts. Somehow we always think this time is different but it never is.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
March 28 2016 14:41 GMT
#69555
On March 28 2016 21:40 Atreides wrote:
It's somewhat disingenuous even still. Poor white rural people overwhelmingly vote republican anyways. That's part of why the "sanders only wins red states" narrative exists.

While it may be true that the ones who are democrats are likely to vote sanders over Hillary you can't call them his base lol. He won't have the "rural white" vote in the general. Not even close. Frankly I'm sceptical even of this as generally speaking the poor rural white folks that identify as democrats are the very old ones, but sanders has done well in those sorts of states. (Like mine)

Does it really matter? Sanders leads every national poll over every candidate right now.

The biggest "demographic" that will sink him are super delegates that Hillary has in the bag because of political favors.
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 28 2016 14:44 GMT
#69556
in which we argue that campaigning for down ballot congressional candidates is political favors.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
March 28 2016 14:45 GMT
#69557
I just assumed... How does it work really?
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-28 15:01:11
March 28 2016 14:50 GMT
#69558
No, Sanders is losing that particular game fair and square. She's got 2.5m more in the popular vote, and no matter how you want to allocate superdelegates-- either proportional to the poplar vote or give them to the state winners she's still winning by a ton. It makes very little sense to say Clinton isn't hitting the magic number that was set based on the existence of an additional 700 superdelegates without a portion of the 700 superdelegates. Sure you can argue that Sanders has put up a good fight, but don't pretend that he isn't losing.

And citing national polls just makes you look stupid. Think for a moment what would happen to Sanders if the right began to redbait and air his other dirty laundry. His ridiculous policy prescriptions are a distant third on the list of things they'll bother attacking.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-28 14:54:50
March 28 2016 14:53 GMT
#69559
it's kind of an anti-takeover device put into place in the 80's. only really effective when there is deep divisions.

you don't need to go to corruption to see rationales for superdelegate decision.


as far as polling goes, sanders would get destroyed just based on his various tax plans.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18107 Posts
March 28 2016 14:57 GMT
#69560
On March 28 2016 23:45 LemOn wrote:
I just assumed... How does it work really?

In theory? Or in practice?

In theory, super delegates are completely independent delegates who can vote for whoever they like.

In practice, they try not to upset the popular vote, but it's possible they will tow the party line and go against popular vote in a heavily contested battle.

In either case, Clinton has generated a ton of goodwill with them, because a lot of them are congressmen, governors or others with electable jobs, and both she and her husband have helped their campaigns in previous elections (and presumably this one when time allows).

Being establishment doesn't mean you have paid a monthly membership fee for a long time and follow the commands of the evil leaders. It means you are a contributing part of an organization, actively helping shape both the policy and ideas of that party, and helping other members achieve their (political) goals. The Clintons have been part of this for a long time now, and that is, imho, not a bad thing.
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