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Norway28625 Posts
On March 19 2016 22:59 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2016 20:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Agreed, him saying 'very' and 'totally' in front of his adjectives rather than use more advanced descriptive words is irrelevant. The problems are a) he constantly lies, b) his message is one of hatred and division and c) he presents simplistic solutions to complex problems.
Attacking him for speaking on a 'low' (and easily understandable) level is not just petty and condescending, it's also very counter-productive in that it establishes part of his anti-elitist narrative as true. I mean, the 'I have the best words' line is hilarious and hard not to smile at, but if you want to stump the trump, telling his supporters that they are dumb is not the way to do it... While you might argue that american education is a partial failure showcased by how you have to speak at a 4th grade level to reach out to the disenfranchised masses, that actually isn't Trump's fault. When you've got Sanders saying stuff like "White people don't know what it's like being poor" it's pretty clear which party is being more divisive.The same one as always.
I am sorry, but I don't understand how one out-of-context sentence from one candidate (whom historically has identified as an Independent just as much as a Democrat - as a democrat he is as fringe as it gets) about perceptions of poverty is supposed to unequivocally prove that the Democratic party is more divisive than the republican party. If you want to make a political point, you will need to put more effort into your posting.
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So here I am at the republican county convention for Jefferson County, Colorado. Some people want to pass a resolution prohibiting Colorado's delegates from voting for Trump. This ought to go over well.
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I always feel the need to gag whenever I hear aspiring politicians make speeches. Too many damned cliches per minute.
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On March 20 2016 00:04 xDaunt wrote:
So here I am at the republican county convention for Jefferson County, Colorado. Some people want to pass a resolution prohibiting Colorado's delegates from voting for Trump. This ought to go over well.
As much as I dislike Trump, I think it's ridiculous to try and implement a resolution for such a thing. Isn't it basically trying their hardest to remove the democratic process?
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Indeed Dark. People can vote for whomever they like; doesn't mean I have to like it. Idiocy on both sides makes the world go round.
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On March 20 2016 00:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2016 00:04 xDaunt wrote:
So here I am at the republican county convention for Jefferson County, Colorado. Some people want to pass a resolution prohibiting Colorado's delegates from voting for Trump. This ought to go over well. As much as I dislike Trump, I think it's ridiculous to try and implement a resolution for such a thing. Isn't it basically trying their hardest to remove the democratic process?
There are quite a few angry vets making that very point.
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Looks like we got the "Bubba" version of Donald Trump running for US Senate here in Colorado: Charlie Ehler.
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Canada11342 Posts
Oh wow. Animals and hoping for shootings. Reasoned discourse has really fallen by the way side since last I poked my head in here. Smarten up people.
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On March 19 2016 06:36 Ghanburighan wrote:I'll be a sport about this, I think it's an interesting question and TL member ought to put their guesses where their fingers are (... err... you know what I mean). Welcome to the: Great delegate race!Here's a competition organised and sponsored by yours truly to determine who can guess final delegate counts most accurately on TL. The rules are as follows: Vote on the number of delegates each candidate will secure by the convention. Give an exact number (replies such as ~200 are interpreted as exactly 200, and the same goes for all similar obfuscation) At the end of this primary season, three different TL members will be awarded prizes. Those will be awarded to the persons who a) guess the GOP winner's delegate count most accurately, b) guess the Dem winner's delegate count most accurately, and c) have the most accurate average delegate distribution between Clinton, Cruz, Kasich, Trump and Sanders. If a person scores best in several categories, they will forfeit their prize in consecutive categories to whoever has the next best answer. If there's a tie, a coin will be flipped to determine the winner. No answers will be accepted after March 21st at 00.00 GMT. (That means you have three days to participate!) Here's a link to the google form where you can submit your answers: http://goo.gl/forms/ql85HLl4lz I'll be the one awarding the prizes, so it's most likely to be steam gift cards, but there's room to negotiate so everyone will be treated fairly. + Show Spoiler +Why have awards in the first place, you ask? I believe that a little bit of incentive makes people work harder, and I want this to be a close race. Happy competing!
Just a reminder that you have 2 more days to submit your predictions regarding the primaries.
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On March 20 2016 00:57 xDaunt wrote:
Looks like we got the "Bubba" version of Donald Trump running for US Senate here in Colorado: Charlie Ehler.
You Western Republicans are a funky bunch 
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United States42440 Posts
On March 19 2016 11:23 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2016 11:14 Doodsmack wrote:
Just read Trump's tweets for the past 2 days. Nothing but ad hominem, child grade ad hominem at that. Now going after the WSJ because he didn't like something about an editorial he saw. And calling Megyn Kelly "sick" and "crazy" repeatedly. This from the guy whose critics "will have a tough time" if he gets into office.
It is almost an insult to your own intelligence if you support this guy. There's a reason why he speaks at a 4th grade reading level.
It's because they have all the best words and he refuses to compromise and use some worse words.
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Not they, he has the best words!
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I concur that it's fine for Trump to speak at the level he does. It's a reasonable tactical decision. I know it's not the way I'd speak, but one of my problems is that I tend to speak at too high a level, and assume too much knowledge on the part of my audience (the standard mistake all people make of assuming others are similar to yourself). Also, people often miss the nuance in how I speak, as I tend to be very precise in my word choice (and also use formal logic standards a fair bit).
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Washington (CNN)Dozens of protesters blocked traffic near a Donald Trump event in Arizona on Saturday, while demonstrators marched in New York City to protest the GOP front-runner.
The protesters in Arizona parked vehicles sideways on Shea Boulevard, blocking both lanes of traffic into Fountain Hills, Arizona, where Trump held a rally Saturday afternoon, Maricopa County Sheriff's Office Deputy Joaquin Enriquez told CNN.
Enriquez described Shea Boulevard as the main artery into the area and the protesters' actions were causing motorists to drive into oncoming traffic as they tried to get around them. Traffic was backed up for miles due to the blockage.
"This is causing huge issues for us," Enriquez told CNN. He added, "We obviously have to get this road open."
Enriquez later told CNN that three protesters were arrested and two cars were towed from the boulevard. The deputy emphasized that the arrests were due to protesters blocking the roadway, not because of the protest itself.
Protests at Trump rallies increasingly have become more contentious in recent days. Friday night, protesters outside a Trump rally in Salt Lake City, Utah, tried to breach the venue's doors, causing police officers and Secret Service officers to abruptly shut them as Trump was speaking. And last week, scuffles between protesters and supporters in Chicago led Trump to cancel a rally there.
Trump on Saturday appeared with former Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer and Maricopa Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who endorsed the GOP front-runner in January. Arpaio rose to conservative fame with his aggressive roundups of undocumented immigrants and attention-grabbing tactics like clothing inmates in pink underwear.
Protesters block road outside Trump Arizona event, march in NYC
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Please protesters. please keep doing this. I want to a see the future Trump biopic 20 years from now, "4 Years a Meme"
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On March 19 2016 22:59 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2016 20:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Agreed, him saying 'very' and 'totally' in front of his adjectives rather than use more advanced descriptive words is irrelevant. The problems are a) he constantly lies, b) his message is one of hatred and division and c) he presents simplistic solutions to complex problems.
Attacking him for speaking on a 'low' (and easily understandable) level is not just petty and condescending, it's also very counter-productive in that it establishes part of his anti-elitist narrative as true. I mean, the 'I have the best words' line is hilarious and hard not to smile at, but if you want to stump the trump, telling his supporters that they are dumb is not the way to do it... While you might argue that american education is a partial failure showcased by how you have to speak at a 4th grade level to reach out to the disenfranchised masses, that actually isn't Trump's fault. When you've got Sanders saying stuff like "White people don't know what it's like being poor" it's pretty clear which party is being more divisive.The same one as always.
That's taken way out of context when talking about white privilege, which is a very real thing.
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On March 20 2016 05:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2016 22:59 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 19 2016 20:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Agreed, him saying 'very' and 'totally' in front of his adjectives rather than use more advanced descriptive words is irrelevant. The problems are a) he constantly lies, b) his message is one of hatred and division and c) he presents simplistic solutions to complex problems.
Attacking him for speaking on a 'low' (and easily understandable) level is not just petty and condescending, it's also very counter-productive in that it establishes part of his anti-elitist narrative as true. I mean, the 'I have the best words' line is hilarious and hard not to smile at, but if you want to stump the trump, telling his supporters that they are dumb is not the way to do it... While you might argue that american education is a partial failure showcased by how you have to speak at a 4th grade level to reach out to the disenfranchised masses, that actually isn't Trump's fault. When you've got Sanders saying stuff like "White people don't know what it's like being poor" it's pretty clear which party is being more divisive.The same one as always. That's taken way out of context when talking about white privilege, which is a very real thing.
Yeah, white poor people don't know how it feels to be "real" poor is like. Cuz, you know they don't live in ghettos.
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On March 20 2016 05:34 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2016 05:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 19 2016 22:59 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 19 2016 20:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Agreed, him saying 'very' and 'totally' in front of his adjectives rather than use more advanced descriptive words is irrelevant. The problems are a) he constantly lies, b) his message is one of hatred and division and c) he presents simplistic solutions to complex problems.
Attacking him for speaking on a 'low' (and easily understandable) level is not just petty and condescending, it's also very counter-productive in that it establishes part of his anti-elitist narrative as true. I mean, the 'I have the best words' line is hilarious and hard not to smile at, but if you want to stump the trump, telling his supporters that they are dumb is not the way to do it... While you might argue that american education is a partial failure showcased by how you have to speak at a 4th grade level to reach out to the disenfranchised masses, that actually isn't Trump's fault. When you've got Sanders saying stuff like "White people don't know what it's like being poor" it's pretty clear which party is being more divisive.The same one as always. That's taken way out of context when talking about white privilege, which is a very real thing. Yeah, white poor people don't know how it feels to be "real" poor is like. Cuz, you know they don't live in ghettos.
I think you need to listen to Sanders's entire comment.
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On March 20 2016 05:34 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2016 05:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 19 2016 22:59 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 19 2016 20:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Agreed, him saying 'very' and 'totally' in front of his adjectives rather than use more advanced descriptive words is irrelevant. The problems are a) he constantly lies, b) his message is one of hatred and division and c) he presents simplistic solutions to complex problems.
Attacking him for speaking on a 'low' (and easily understandable) level is not just petty and condescending, it's also very counter-productive in that it establishes part of his anti-elitist narrative as true. I mean, the 'I have the best words' line is hilarious and hard not to smile at, but if you want to stump the trump, telling his supporters that they are dumb is not the way to do it... While you might argue that american education is a partial failure showcased by how you have to speak at a 4th grade level to reach out to the disenfranchised masses, that actually isn't Trump's fault. When you've got Sanders saying stuff like "White people don't know what it's like being poor" it's pretty clear which party is being more divisive.The same one as always. That's taken way out of context when talking about white privilege, which is a very real thing. Yeah, white poor people don't know how it feels to be "real" poor is like. Cuz, you know they don't live in ghettos.
This is too narrow a take on what privilege looks like and how it manifests itself in everyday life. While Sanders' quote does seem a bit myopic, particularly as cherry-picked, there are a host of areas in which poor white people, on average, don't face the same challenges minorities do, especially in relation to employer interviews, police attention, and criminal sentencing, just to name a few.
That said, comparing the plight of those at the bottom of the totem pole isn't really that productive, so in that sense I agree.
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After listening to Sanders' entire comment, I don't think that line is taken out of context even when used standalone. His meaning is pretty clear cut and it's a form of shitty pandering.
Anecdotally, I have found that appearing presentable (not run-down car, dressing normally) is a lot more important than race. I've known quite a few blacks and Mexicans who, once they started driving a nicer car and not modeling their clothing after prison inmates, never had any more unpleasant run-ins with the police.
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