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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 18 2016 18:22 GMT
#67861
Biometrics of any form would be useful and I am sure they track them in a number of ways. The polygraph is likely just to make people nervous, like Kwark says.
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Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
March 18 2016 18:23 GMT
#67862
On March 19 2016 03:22 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 03:19 wei2coolman wrote:
At least from my understanding of how polygraphs are used in internal auditing for security, is comparing current results with established baselines.


But that's pointless too.

In the terrorist example, what if the person who was "recruited" believes he isn't a terrorist? A polygraph only reacts if you basically know you're wrong.

I don't think any terrorist considers himself a terrorist.

edit: this at least makes the polygraph "unreliable" at best.



They wouldn't ask that question though, they would be a lot more specific.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 18 2016 18:25 GMT
#67863
On March 19 2016 03:22 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 03:19 wei2coolman wrote:
At least from my understanding of how polygraphs are used in internal auditing for security, is comparing current results with established baselines.


But that's pointless too.

In the terrorist example, what if the person who was "recruited" believes he isn't a terrorist? A polygraph only reacts if you basically know you're wrong.

I don't think any terrorist considers himself a terrorist.

edit: this at least makes the polygraph "unreliable" at best.

Asking if he's a terrorist isn't the only question they ask.
They ask a huge variety of questions.

The problem is you guys are thinking of polygraphs as "yes or no" determinations of guilt, when they're more or less used as a determination of differences.
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 18:28:11
March 18 2016 18:25 GMT
#67864
On March 19 2016 03:23 Reaps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 03:22 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:19 wei2coolman wrote:
At least from my understanding of how polygraphs are used in internal auditing for security, is comparing current results with established baselines.


But that's pointless too.

In the terrorist example, what if the person who was "recruited" believes he isn't a terrorist? A polygraph only reacts if you basically know you're wrong.

I don't think any terrorist considers himself a terrorist.

edit: this at least makes the polygraph "unreliable" at best.



They wouldn't ask that question though, they would be a lot more specific.


The simple fact that Guantanamo Bay still exist shows that it's not as easy (or even possible).

The problem is you guys are thinking of polygraphs as "yes or no" determinations of guilt, when they're more or less used as a determination of differences.


No, i do have a decent grasp on how a polygraph works. It's about body reactions. I don't know if you're in the same boat, but every time i use public transport, and a ticket-controller goes through the train, i get a cold shower down my spine. Even if i have a ticket. It's something my body reacts to. You can force reactions by asking in a certain way (forceful), you can train to not react at all.
On track to MA1950A.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 18 2016 18:26 GMT
#67865
On March 19 2016 03:25 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 03:23 Reaps wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:22 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:19 wei2coolman wrote:
At least from my understanding of how polygraphs are used in internal auditing for security, is comparing current results with established baselines.


But that's pointless too.

In the terrorist example, what if the person who was "recruited" believes he isn't a terrorist? A polygraph only reacts if you basically know you're wrong.

I don't think any terrorist considers himself a terrorist.

edit: this at least makes the polygraph "unreliable" at best.



They wouldn't ask that question though, they would be a lot more specific.


The simple fact that Guantanamo Bay still exist shows that it's not as easy (or even possible).

Internal security audits with established baseline is vastly different than enemy combatants.

Not to mention, Guantanmo Bay is more of a holding cell, not "enhanced interrogation" site.
liftlift > tsm
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
March 18 2016 18:26 GMT
#67866
On March 19 2016 03:25 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 03:23 Reaps wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:22 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:19 wei2coolman wrote:
At least from my understanding of how polygraphs are used in internal auditing for security, is comparing current results with established baselines.


But that's pointless too.

In the terrorist example, what if the person who was "recruited" believes he isn't a terrorist? A polygraph only reacts if you basically know you're wrong.

I don't think any terrorist considers himself a terrorist.

edit: this at least makes the polygraph "unreliable" at best.



They wouldn't ask that question though, they would be a lot more specific.


The simple fact that Guantanamo Bay still exist shows that it's not as easy (or even possible).



I'm not saying it is, i said 2 posts ago that the polygraph isn't 100% accurate but its for different reasons than you claimed.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 18 2016 18:29 GMT
#67867
On March 19 2016 03:26 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 03:25 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:23 Reaps wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:22 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:19 wei2coolman wrote:
At least from my understanding of how polygraphs are used in internal auditing for security, is comparing current results with established baselines.


But that's pointless too.

In the terrorist example, what if the person who was "recruited" believes he isn't a terrorist? A polygraph only reacts if you basically know you're wrong.

I don't think any terrorist considers himself a terrorist.

edit: this at least makes the polygraph "unreliable" at best.



They wouldn't ask that question though, they would be a lot more specific.


The simple fact that Guantanamo Bay still exist shows that it's not as easy (or even possible).

Internal security audits with established baseline is vastly different than enemy combatants.

Not to mention, Guantanmo Bay is more of a holding cell, not "enhanced interrogation" site.


You're taking the piss now, do you.
On track to MA1950A.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 18 2016 18:32 GMT
#67868
On March 19 2016 03:29 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 03:26 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:25 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:23 Reaps wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:22 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:19 wei2coolman wrote:
At least from my understanding of how polygraphs are used in internal auditing for security, is comparing current results with established baselines.


But that's pointless too.

In the terrorist example, what if the person who was "recruited" believes he isn't a terrorist? A polygraph only reacts if you basically know you're wrong.

I don't think any terrorist considers himself a terrorist.

edit: this at least makes the polygraph "unreliable" at best.



They wouldn't ask that question though, they would be a lot more specific.


The simple fact that Guantanamo Bay still exist shows that it's not as easy (or even possible).

Internal security audits with established baseline is vastly different than enemy combatants.

Not to mention, Guantanmo Bay is more of a holding cell, not "enhanced interrogation" site.


You're taking the piss now, do you.

We have allies and blacksites for that.

I have no doubt US does enhanced interrogation, but in the current state of Guantanamo Bay, that is not it's current usage.
liftlift > tsm
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 18:37:00
March 18 2016 18:35 GMT
#67869
On March 19 2016 03:32 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 03:29 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:26 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:25 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:23 Reaps wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:22 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:19 wei2coolman wrote:
At least from my understanding of how polygraphs are used in internal auditing for security, is comparing current results with established baselines.


But that's pointless too.

In the terrorist example, what if the person who was "recruited" believes he isn't a terrorist? A polygraph only reacts if you basically know you're wrong.

I don't think any terrorist considers himself a terrorist.

edit: this at least makes the polygraph "unreliable" at best.



They wouldn't ask that question though, they would be a lot more specific.


The simple fact that Guantanamo Bay still exist shows that it's not as easy (or even possible).

Internal security audits with established baseline is vastly different than enemy combatants.

Not to mention, Guantanmo Bay is more of a holding cell, not "enhanced interrogation" site.


You're taking the piss now, do you.

We have allies and blacksites for that.

I have no doubt US does enhanced interrogation, but in the current state of Guantanamo Bay, that is not it's current usage.


So you apparently missed the huge worldwide outcry regarding guantanamo bay? The ICRC report? The reports of released detainees? Suicides? Waterboarding?

Nothing like that rings any bells?

edit: is your real name by chance Dick Cheney?
On track to MA1950A.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 18 2016 18:37 GMT
#67870
On March 19 2016 03:35 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 03:32 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:29 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:26 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:25 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:23 Reaps wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:22 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:19 wei2coolman wrote:
At least from my understanding of how polygraphs are used in internal auditing for security, is comparing current results with established baselines.


But that's pointless too.

In the terrorist example, what if the person who was "recruited" believes he isn't a terrorist? A polygraph only reacts if you basically know you're wrong.

I don't think any terrorist considers himself a terrorist.

edit: this at least makes the polygraph "unreliable" at best.



They wouldn't ask that question though, they would be a lot more specific.


The simple fact that Guantanamo Bay still exist shows that it's not as easy (or even possible).

Internal security audits with established baseline is vastly different than enemy combatants.

Not to mention, Guantanmo Bay is more of a holding cell, not "enhanced interrogation" site.


You're taking the piss now, do you.

We have allies and blacksites for that.

I have no doubt US does enhanced interrogation, but in the current state of Guantanamo Bay, that is not it's current usage.


So you apparently missed the huge worldwide outcry regarding guantanamo bay? The ICRC report? The reports of released detainees? Suicides? Waterboarding?

Nothing like that rings any bells?

edit: is your real name by chance Dick Cheney?

Talking about current usage, not past usage. Your argument was "still exists", talking about current usage.
liftlift > tsm
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 18 2016 18:39 GMT
#67871
On March 19 2016 03:37 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 03:35 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:32 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:29 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:26 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:25 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:23 Reaps wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:22 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:19 wei2coolman wrote:
At least from my understanding of how polygraphs are used in internal auditing for security, is comparing current results with established baselines.


But that's pointless too.

In the terrorist example, what if the person who was "recruited" believes he isn't a terrorist? A polygraph only reacts if you basically know you're wrong.

I don't think any terrorist considers himself a terrorist.

edit: this at least makes the polygraph "unreliable" at best.



They wouldn't ask that question though, they would be a lot more specific.


The simple fact that Guantanamo Bay still exist shows that it's not as easy (or even possible).

Internal security audits with established baseline is vastly different than enemy combatants.

Not to mention, Guantanmo Bay is more of a holding cell, not "enhanced interrogation" site.


You're taking the piss now, do you.

We have allies and blacksites for that.

I have no doubt US does enhanced interrogation, but in the current state of Guantanamo Bay, that is not it's current usage.


So you apparently missed the huge worldwide outcry regarding guantanamo bay? The ICRC report? The reports of released detainees? Suicides? Waterboarding?

Nothing like that rings any bells?

edit: is your real name by chance Dick Cheney?

Talking about current usage, not past usage. Your argument was "still exists", talking about current usage.


So there isn't still 91 detainees in gitmo, and considering that it's proven that in gitmo torture was used.. How do you conclude the "no torture is happening" exactly?
On track to MA1950A.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 18 2016 18:41 GMT
#67872
A record number of Americans believe global warming will pose a threat to their way of life, new polling data shows, amid strengthening public acceptance that rising temperatures are being driven by human activity.

“I think a shift in public opinion and consciousness has been underway for several years now,” Michael Mann, a prominent climate scientist at Pennsylvania State University, told the Guardian.

A spokesman for 350 Action, the political arm of climate activist group 350.org, said meanwhile that politicians who cast doubt on climate science would soon have to take such polling into account. Republicans, he said, “are going to be screwed if they don’t change their tune”.

Polling firm Gallup, which has been tracking public sentiment on the topic annually since 1997, found that 41% of US adults feel warming will pose a “serious threat” to them during their lifetimes. This is the highest level recorded by Gallup, a 4% increase on 2015.

A total of 64% of those polled said they worried about global warming a “great deal” or a “fair amount”, the highest level of recorded concern since 2008. Just 36% of Americans said they did not fret about it, or only worried a little.

The results show a solidifying belief that changes in the climate are under way, with 59% of people thinking so. A record 65% of Americans said global warming was down to greenhouse gases released by human activity – a 10% leap on last year.


Source
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44394 Posts
March 18 2016 18:42 GMT
#67873
On March 19 2016 03:39 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 03:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:35 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:32 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:29 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:26 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:25 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:23 Reaps wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:22 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:19 wei2coolman wrote:
At least from my understanding of how polygraphs are used in internal auditing for security, is comparing current results with established baselines.


But that's pointless too.

In the terrorist example, what if the person who was "recruited" believes he isn't a terrorist? A polygraph only reacts if you basically know you're wrong.

I don't think any terrorist considers himself a terrorist.

edit: this at least makes the polygraph "unreliable" at best.



They wouldn't ask that question though, they would be a lot more specific.


The simple fact that Guantanamo Bay still exist shows that it's not as easy (or even possible).

Internal security audits with established baseline is vastly different than enemy combatants.

Not to mention, Guantanmo Bay is more of a holding cell, not "enhanced interrogation" site.


You're taking the piss now, do you.

We have allies and blacksites for that.

I have no doubt US does enhanced interrogation, but in the current state of Guantanamo Bay, that is not it's current usage.


So you apparently missed the huge worldwide outcry regarding guantanamo bay? The ICRC report? The reports of released detainees? Suicides? Waterboarding?

Nothing like that rings any bells?

edit: is your real name by chance Dick Cheney?

Talking about current usage, not past usage. Your argument was "still exists", talking about current usage.


So there isn't still 91 detainees in gitmo, and considering that it's proven that in gitmo torture was used.. How do you conclude the "no torture is happening" exactly?

I believe his point was that by now they're happy they know all they're going to know about the current inmates and are just keeping them for lack of a better idea. Even if the current inmates did have something new to share that information would be a decade old at this point and irrelevant in a world in which ISIS, not Al Qaeda, is the threat.

His argument isn't that the US doesn't do torture, it's that it's not currently torturing the people held at Guantanamo which makes sense.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 18 2016 18:43 GMT
#67874
nothing that large scale is done to 'just make people nervous'.

the polygraph thing is not there to catch deep moles, it's for the amateurs that bumble their own leaking attempts.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 18 2016 18:44 GMT
#67875
On March 19 2016 03:42 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 03:39 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:35 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:32 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:29 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:26 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:25 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:23 Reaps wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:22 m4ini wrote:
[quote]

But that's pointless too.

In the terrorist example, what if the person who was "recruited" believes he isn't a terrorist? A polygraph only reacts if you basically know you're wrong.

I don't think any terrorist considers himself a terrorist.

edit: this at least makes the polygraph "unreliable" at best.



They wouldn't ask that question though, they would be a lot more specific.


The simple fact that Guantanamo Bay still exist shows that it's not as easy (or even possible).

Internal security audits with established baseline is vastly different than enemy combatants.

Not to mention, Guantanmo Bay is more of a holding cell, not "enhanced interrogation" site.


You're taking the piss now, do you.

We have allies and blacksites for that.

I have no doubt US does enhanced interrogation, but in the current state of Guantanamo Bay, that is not it's current usage.


So you apparently missed the huge worldwide outcry regarding guantanamo bay? The ICRC report? The reports of released detainees? Suicides? Waterboarding?

Nothing like that rings any bells?

edit: is your real name by chance Dick Cheney?

Talking about current usage, not past usage. Your argument was "still exists", talking about current usage.


So there isn't still 91 detainees in gitmo, and considering that it's proven that in gitmo torture was used.. How do you conclude the "no torture is happening" exactly?

I believe his point was that by now they're happy they know all they're going to know about the current inmates and are just keeping them for lack of a better idea. Even if the current inmates did have something new to share that information would be a decade old at this point and irrelevant in a world in which ISIS, not Al Qaeda, is the threat.

His argument isn't that the US doesn't do torture, it's that it's not currently torturing the people held at Guantanamo which makes sense.

Yeah, pretty much this. All the recent reports and articles about Guantanmo have been "so... what do we do with the rest of these guys..."
liftlift > tsm
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 18:46:08
March 18 2016 18:45 GMT
#67876
On March 19 2016 03:42 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 03:39 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:35 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:32 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:29 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:26 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:25 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:23 Reaps wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:22 m4ini wrote:
[quote]

But that's pointless too.

In the terrorist example, what if the person who was "recruited" believes he isn't a terrorist? A polygraph only reacts if you basically know you're wrong.

I don't think any terrorist considers himself a terrorist.

edit: this at least makes the polygraph "unreliable" at best.



They wouldn't ask that question though, they would be a lot more specific.


The simple fact that Guantanamo Bay still exist shows that it's not as easy (or even possible).

Internal security audits with established baseline is vastly different than enemy combatants.

Not to mention, Guantanmo Bay is more of a holding cell, not "enhanced interrogation" site.


You're taking the piss now, do you.

We have allies and blacksites for that.

I have no doubt US does enhanced interrogation, but in the current state of Guantanamo Bay, that is not it's current usage.


So you apparently missed the huge worldwide outcry regarding guantanamo bay? The ICRC report? The reports of released detainees? Suicides? Waterboarding?

Nothing like that rings any bells?

edit: is your real name by chance Dick Cheney?

Talking about current usage, not past usage. Your argument was "still exists", talking about current usage.


So there isn't still 91 detainees in gitmo, and considering that it's proven that in gitmo torture was used.. How do you conclude the "no torture is happening" exactly?

I believe his point was that by now they're happy they know all they're going to know about the current inmates and are just keeping them for lack of a better idea. Even if the current inmates did have something new to share that information would be a decade old at this point and irrelevant in a world in which ISIS, not Al Qaeda, is the threat.

His argument isn't that the US doesn't do torture, it's that it's not currently torturing the people held at Guantanamo which makes sense.


I did see that he said "i'm convinced we do torture" (edit: cute btw to call it "enhanced interrogation")

That wasn't really the point though, it's about usage of polygraphs. They didn't use them. Instead, they used waterboarding and other (worse, to some) means.
On track to MA1950A.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 18:54:32
March 18 2016 18:49 GMT
#67877
On March 19 2016 03:45 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 03:42 KwarK wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:39 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:35 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:32 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:29 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:26 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:25 m4ini wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:23 Reaps wrote:
[quote]


They wouldn't ask that question though, they would be a lot more specific.


The simple fact that Guantanamo Bay still exist shows that it's not as easy (or even possible).

Internal security audits with established baseline is vastly different than enemy combatants.

Not to mention, Guantanmo Bay is more of a holding cell, not "enhanced interrogation" site.


You're taking the piss now, do you.

We have allies and blacksites for that.

I have no doubt US does enhanced interrogation, but in the current state of Guantanamo Bay, that is not it's current usage.


So you apparently missed the huge worldwide outcry regarding guantanamo bay? The ICRC report? The reports of released detainees? Suicides? Waterboarding?

Nothing like that rings any bells?

edit: is your real name by chance Dick Cheney?

Talking about current usage, not past usage. Your argument was "still exists", talking about current usage.


So there isn't still 91 detainees in gitmo, and considering that it's proven that in gitmo torture was used.. How do you conclude the "no torture is happening" exactly?

I believe his point was that by now they're happy they know all they're going to know about the current inmates and are just keeping them for lack of a better idea. Even if the current inmates did have something new to share that information would be a decade old at this point and irrelevant in a world in which ISIS, not Al Qaeda, is the threat.

His argument isn't that the US doesn't do torture, it's that it's not currently torturing the people held at Guantanamo which makes sense.


I did see that he said "i'm convinced we do torture" (edit: cute btw to call it "enhanced interrogation")

That wasn't really the point though, it's about usage of polygraphs. They didn't use them. Instead, they used waterboarding and other (worse, to some) means.

I'm sure they used everything in their power, which probably included polygraphs, though I'm not sure how useful polygraph readings would be with a highly stressed subject after being sleep deprived, and water boarded.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44394 Posts
March 18 2016 18:52 GMT
#67878
On March 19 2016 03:43 oneofthem wrote:
nothing that large scale is done to 'just make people nervous'.

the polygraph thing is not there to catch deep moles, it's for the amateurs that bumble their own leaking attempts.

You're making an argument from an assumption of government competence? That if the government do it then surely they must have good reasons for doing it?
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 18 2016 18:54 GMT
#67879
On March 19 2016 03:52 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 03:43 oneofthem wrote:
nothing that large scale is done to 'just make people nervous'.

the polygraph thing is not there to catch deep moles, it's for the amateurs that bumble their own leaking attempts.

You're making an argument from an assumption of government competence? That if the government do it then surely they must have good reasons for doing it?

uh yea. bureaucracy is stronk particularly when you are talking about having to use resources on it.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 18 2016 18:55 GMT
#67880
On March 19 2016 03:52 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 03:43 oneofthem wrote:
nothing that large scale is done to 'just make people nervous'.

the polygraph thing is not there to catch deep moles, it's for the amateurs that bumble their own leaking attempts.

You're making an argument from an assumption of government competence? That if the government do it then surely they must have good reasons for doing it?

Forget the machine, there is a lot of power just by forcing someone to put on a device and sit is a chair while you can move around the room.
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