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On March 16 2016 09:16 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 09:13 farvacola wrote:lol, that list of states might as well be the list of states most dependant on the federal teat  why not make it a trade? If they want more state rights the federal gov. cuts the funding down. I wonder how great the state rights will be haha, that's the rub, isn't it? States Rights folk usually have little to no idea just how integral federal funds are to a lean state budget. It's an ideological nightmare!
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On March 16 2016 09:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 09:26 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 16 2016 09:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Thus the GOP establishment's only hope lies in Ted Cruz... Ted Cruz. Actually, it's going to be Kasich and .. wait for it... Romney. Not a chance the math isn't there.
The way it works is that at if no-one gets 1237 delegates, which Trump might not get if he loses Ohio, all delegates are unbound and can vote for anyone (granted the candidates have done the leg-work). That's how the establishment aims to reassert themselves.
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On March 16 2016 09:33 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 09:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On March 16 2016 09:26 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 16 2016 09:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Thus the GOP establishment's only hope lies in Ted Cruz... Ted Cruz. Actually, it's going to be Kasich and .. wait for it... Romney. Not a chance the math isn't there. The way it works is that at if no-one gets 1237 delegates, which Trump might not get if he loses Ohio, all delegates are unbound and can vote for anyone (granted the candidates have done the leg-work). That's how the establishment aims to reassert themselves. They won't do it. They know that they'd destroy the party if they tried it.
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On March 16 2016 09:33 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 09:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On March 16 2016 09:26 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 16 2016 09:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Thus the GOP establishment's only hope lies in Ted Cruz... Ted Cruz. Actually, it's going to be Kasich and .. wait for it... Romney. Not a chance the math isn't there. The way it works is that at if no-one gets 1237 delegates, which Trump might not get if he loses Ohio, all delegates are unbound and can vote for anyone (granted the candidates have done the leg-work). That's how the establishment aims to reassert themselves.
Now imagine your're a Trump or Cruz supporter. The establishment would burn every bridge and theoretical GOP supporter who main vote was against established corruption, only to say hey you were right now vote for us.
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Kasich winning Ohio means Kasich stays in the race, meaning Kasich winning Ohio is good for Trump?
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On March 16 2016 09:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 09:33 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 16 2016 09:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On March 16 2016 09:26 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 16 2016 09:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Thus the GOP establishment's only hope lies in Ted Cruz... Ted Cruz. Actually, it's going to be Kasich and .. wait for it... Romney. Not a chance the math isn't there. The way it works is that at if no-one gets 1237 delegates, which Trump might not get if he loses Ohio, all delegates are unbound and can vote for anyone (granted the candidates have done the leg-work). That's how the establishment aims to reassert themselves. Now imagine your're a Trump or Cruz supporter. The establishment would burn every bridge and theoretical GOP supporter who main vote was against established corruption, only to say hey you were right now vote for us.
Tell this to the guys doing it, don't shoot the messenger.
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Little Marco Down
Next goes Kasich, what a low energy guy.
And then there's Ted. LYIN' TED. HE HOLDS THE BIBLE UP ON HIGH
THEN HE PUTS IT DOWN!
...AND STARTS TO LIE
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On March 16 2016 09:34 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 09:33 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 16 2016 09:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On March 16 2016 09:26 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 16 2016 09:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Thus the GOP establishment's only hope lies in Ted Cruz... Ted Cruz. Actually, it's going to be Kasich and .. wait for it... Romney. Not a chance the math isn't there. The way it works is that at if no-one gets 1237 delegates, which Trump might not get if he loses Ohio, all delegates are unbound and can vote for anyone (granted the candidates have done the leg-work). That's how the establishment aims to reassert themselves. They won't do it. They know that they'd destroy the party if they tried it. (Movie trailer music) "Sometimes you need to destroy something in order to save it." - Movie trailer voice over
TITLE CARD: BROKERED CONVENTION!
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On March 16 2016 09:36 Mohdoo wrote: Kasich winning Ohio means Kasich stays in the race, meaning Kasich winning Ohio is good for Trump?
Kasich winning Ohio is terrible for Trump as he's now much closes to as contested convention. Whether Kasich or Cruz get in each other's way in the future remains to be seen.
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Shaping up to be a bad day for Bernie. Only even Illinois is even close right now. I can't even imagine what a Trump-Clinton debate will look like.
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On March 16 2016 09:36 Mohdoo wrote: Kasich winning Ohio means Kasich stays in the race, meaning Kasich winning Ohio is good for Trump?
Kasich winning Ohio isn't good for Trump provided Rubio is out of the way. Kasich can plausibly grab some proportional delegates, maybe go all in on a few states, and make the path to a majority brutal for Trump. And where before Kasich/Rubio were squeaking under thresholds in some states, the overlap between Kasich/Cruz voters is virtually nil.
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The great irony of it all is that Trump admits to buying off politicians his whole life - to being a part of the status quo establishment. And his supporters think a participant in that is the savior to change it. As if his built-up business interests, helped by corruption would not be harmed by tearing down the status quo.
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AP calls Ohio for Clinton!!
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those bars really both me
looks like a big night for hilldawg
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GH, what do you think Bernie's path forward looks like?
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On March 16 2016 09:37 TheFish7 wrote: Shaping up to be a bad day for Bernie. Only even Illinois is even close right now. I can't even imagine what a Trump-Clinton debate will look like. yeah this really is shaping up to be the most horrible day ever for Bernie. He probably needs around 280 delegates to be on par with his recent good performances but losing all 5 would be horrible. No idea how the math works but I doubt it gets even close to that lol
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Rubio staying in until this point, when he really had no chance anyways and was being crushed in the polls in FL, has only served Trump in that it ensured his (likely) victories in Missouri and North Carolina.
As for the brokered convention, the Republican Party is fucked either way. Either they send Trump up as the nominee or they send somebody else up, splintering the party. Either way, you deal catastrophic damage to the party.
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As someone who voted for Bernie today and has donated/canvassed for Bernie this is gg. Short of a federal indictment, there really isn't a path forward. Oh well. Try something again in 4-8 years.
Edit: And by something I don't mean Bernie, he'll be seriously too old to run lol
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