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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18849 Posts
March 16 2016 00:32 GMT
#66661
On March 16 2016 09:16 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2016 09:13 farvacola wrote:
lol, that list of states might as well be the list of states most dependant on the federal teat

why not make it a trade? If they want more state rights the federal gov. cuts the funding down. I wonder how great the state rights will be

haha, that's the rub, isn't it? States Rights folk usually have little to no idea just how integral federal funds are to a lean state budget. It's an ideological nightmare!
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 16 2016 00:33 GMT
#66662
On March 16 2016 09:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2016 09:26 Ghanburighan wrote:
On March 16 2016 09:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Thus the GOP establishment's only hope lies in Ted Cruz... Ted Cruz.


Actually, it's going to be Kasich and .. wait for it... Romney.


Not a chance the math isn't there.


The way it works is that at if no-one gets 1237 delegates, which Trump might not get if he loses Ohio, all delegates are unbound and can vote for anyone (granted the candidates have done the leg-work). That's how the establishment aims to reassert themselves.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 16 2016 00:34 GMT
#66663
On March 16 2016 09:33 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2016 09:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 16 2016 09:26 Ghanburighan wrote:
On March 16 2016 09:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Thus the GOP establishment's only hope lies in Ted Cruz... Ted Cruz.


Actually, it's going to be Kasich and .. wait for it... Romney.


Not a chance the math isn't there.


The way it works is that at if no-one gets 1237 delegates, which Trump might not get if he loses Ohio, all delegates are unbound and can vote for anyone (granted the candidates have done the leg-work). That's how the establishment aims to reassert themselves.

They won't do it. They know that they'd destroy the party if they tried it.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 16 2016 00:35 GMT
#66664
On March 16 2016 09:33 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2016 09:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 16 2016 09:26 Ghanburighan wrote:
On March 16 2016 09:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Thus the GOP establishment's only hope lies in Ted Cruz... Ted Cruz.


Actually, it's going to be Kasich and .. wait for it... Romney.


Not a chance the math isn't there.


The way it works is that at if no-one gets 1237 delegates, which Trump might not get if he loses Ohio, all delegates are unbound and can vote for anyone (granted the candidates have done the leg-work). That's how the establishment aims to reassert themselves.


Now imagine your're a Trump or Cruz supporter. The establishment would burn every bridge and theoretical GOP supporter who main vote was against established corruption, only to say hey you were right now vote for us.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15737 Posts
March 16 2016 00:36 GMT
#66665
Kasich winning Ohio means Kasich stays in the race, meaning Kasich winning Ohio is good for Trump?
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 16 2016 00:36 GMT
#66666
On March 16 2016 09:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2016 09:33 Ghanburighan wrote:
On March 16 2016 09:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 16 2016 09:26 Ghanburighan wrote:
On March 16 2016 09:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Thus the GOP establishment's only hope lies in Ted Cruz... Ted Cruz.


Actually, it's going to be Kasich and .. wait for it... Romney.


Not a chance the math isn't there.


The way it works is that at if no-one gets 1237 delegates, which Trump might not get if he loses Ohio, all delegates are unbound and can vote for anyone (granted the candidates have done the leg-work). That's how the establishment aims to reassert themselves.


Now imagine your're a Trump or Cruz supporter. The establishment would burn every bridge and theoretical GOP supporter who main vote was against established corruption, only to say hey you were right now vote for us.


Tell this to the guys doing it, don't shoot the messenger.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
March 16 2016 00:36 GMT
#66667
Little Marco Down

Next goes Kasich, what a low energy guy.

And then there's Ted. LYIN' TED. HE HOLDS THE BIBLE UP ON HIGH

THEN HE PUTS IT DOWN!

...AND STARTS TO LIE
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 16 2016 00:37 GMT
#66668
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 16 2016 00:37 GMT
#66669
On March 16 2016 09:34 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2016 09:33 Ghanburighan wrote:
On March 16 2016 09:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 16 2016 09:26 Ghanburighan wrote:
On March 16 2016 09:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Thus the GOP establishment's only hope lies in Ted Cruz... Ted Cruz.


Actually, it's going to be Kasich and .. wait for it... Romney.


Not a chance the math isn't there.


The way it works is that at if no-one gets 1237 delegates, which Trump might not get if he loses Ohio, all delegates are unbound and can vote for anyone (granted the candidates have done the leg-work). That's how the establishment aims to reassert themselves.

They won't do it. They know that they'd destroy the party if they tried it.

(Movie trailer music) "Sometimes you need to destroy something in order to save it." - Movie trailer voice over

TITLE CARD: BROKERED CONVENTION!
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 16 2016 00:37 GMT
#66670
On March 16 2016 09:36 Mohdoo wrote:
Kasich winning Ohio means Kasich stays in the race, meaning Kasich winning Ohio is good for Trump?


Kasich winning Ohio is terrible for Trump as he's now much closes to as contested convention. Whether Kasich or Cruz get in each other's way in the future remains to be seen.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
March 16 2016 00:37 GMT
#66671
Shaping up to be a bad day for Bernie. Only even Illinois is even close right now. I can't even imagine what a Trump-Clinton debate will look like.
~ ~ <°)))><~ ~ ~
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-16 00:38:46
March 16 2016 00:37 GMT
#66672
On March 16 2016 09:36 Mohdoo wrote:
Kasich winning Ohio means Kasich stays in the race, meaning Kasich winning Ohio is good for Trump?


Kasich winning Ohio isn't good for Trump provided Rubio is out of the way. Kasich can plausibly grab some proportional delegates, maybe go all in on a few states, and make the path to a majority brutal for Trump. And where before Kasich/Rubio were squeaking under thresholds in some states, the overlap between Kasich/Cruz voters is virtually nil.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
March 16 2016 00:38 GMT
#66673
The great irony of it all is that Trump admits to buying off politicians his whole life - to being a part of the status quo establishment. And his supporters think a participant in that is the savior to change it. As if his built-up business interests, helped by corruption would not be harmed by tearing down the status quo.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 16 2016 00:38 GMT
#66674
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-16 00:40:53
March 16 2016 00:40 GMT
#66675
AP calls Ohio for Clinton!!

"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 16 2016 00:40 GMT
#66676
On March 16 2016 09:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/HuffPostPol/status/709901452630728704


those bars really both me

looks like a big night for hilldawg
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15737 Posts
March 16 2016 00:41 GMT
#66677
GH, what do you think Bernie's path forward looks like?
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 16 2016 00:42 GMT
#66678
On March 16 2016 09:37 TheFish7 wrote:
Shaping up to be a bad day for Bernie. Only even Illinois is even close right now. I can't even imagine what a Trump-Clinton debate will look like.

yeah this really is shaping up to be the most horrible day ever for Bernie. He probably needs around 280 delegates to be on par with his recent good performances but losing all 5 would be horrible. No idea how the math works but I doubt it gets even close to that lol
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-16 00:43:46
March 16 2016 00:43 GMT
#66679
Rubio staying in until this point, when he really had no chance anyways and was being crushed in the polls in FL, has only served Trump in that it ensured his (likely) victories in Missouri and North Carolina.

As for the brokered convention, the Republican Party is fucked either way. Either they send Trump up as the nominee or they send somebody else up, splintering the party. Either way, you deal catastrophic damage to the party.
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-16 00:46:54
March 16 2016 00:45 GMT
#66680
As someone who voted for Bernie today and has donated/canvassed for Bernie this is gg. Short of a federal indictment, there really isn't a path forward. Oh well. Try something again in 4-8 years.

Edit: And by something I don't mean Bernie, he'll be seriously too old to run lol
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