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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 15 2016 15:09 GMT
#66401
that part of the vermont opinion would be overruled
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-15 15:11:17
March 15 2016 15:11 GMT
#66402
FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) — Facing a backlash from Appalachian Democrats, Hillary Clinton's campaign on Monday tried to reaffirm her commitment to coal communities one day after declaring on national television she was going to "to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business."

Clinton's comments came during a Sunday night appearance on CNN, where she was asked a question about how her policies would benefit poor white people in southern states who generally vote Republican.

"I'm the only candidate, which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity, using clean renewable energy as the key, into coal country. Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business," Clinton said. "We're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people."

Clinton was touting a plan she released last year that would set aside $30 billion to protect the health benefits for coal miners and their families. But her quip about putting coal miners out of business gave Republicans a perfect soundbite to use against her in states like Kentucky and West Virginia, where the party has made historic gains in coal communities in recent years by running against President Barack Obama's energy policies.


Source
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-15 15:13:46
March 15 2016 15:12 GMT
#66403
On March 16 2016 00:07 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2016 23:40 oneofthem wrote:
there are multiple issues involved with every case and while the reed one has some that are not relevant to gmo labeling the discussion on standard of scrutiny is broad reaching for similar speech cases. ge food does not satisfy the strict standard which in this area requires a material difference in the food category. there is no such difference and it wasnt even the argument by advocates of the regulation because even they know there is nondifference in the food itself


Come on, you can't argue that the food is both patentable and nondifferent.

the food is not patented it is a product involved in the making of the food that is patented
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 15 2016 15:16 GMT
#66404
hillary actually hates politics. kind of like her attitude towards reddit. she is just not that good at it.

anyway celebrity sighting i just passed by jim webb a while ago
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 15 2016 15:17 GMT
#66405
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States on Tuesday eased some of its Cuba restrictions before President Barack Obama's to the former Cold War enemy next week, allowing Cuba and its people greater access to U.S. financial institutions and relaxing travel limits.

The trade and travel changes will allow Cubans to open U.S. bank accounts and authorize those living in the Unites States to earn a salary or compensation, the U.S. government said.

Amendments to U.S. regulations will also allow individuals to visit Communist-ruled country for "people-to-people educational travel," the U.S. Treasury and Commerce Departments said in a statement.

The easement comes as Obama prepares to travel to Cuba March 21-22 amid moves toward normal relations with the island nation just 90 miles (145 km) from Florida's coast.


Source
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 15 2016 15:19 GMT
#66406
On March 16 2016 00:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) — Facing a backlash from Appalachian Democrats, Hillary Clinton's campaign on Monday tried to reaffirm her commitment to coal communities one day after declaring on national television she was going to "to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business."

Clinton's comments came during a Sunday night appearance on CNN, where she was asked a question about how her policies would benefit poor white people in southern states who generally vote Republican.

"I'm the only candidate, which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity, using clean renewable energy as the key, into coal country. Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business," Clinton said. "We're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people."

Clinton was touting a plan she released last year that would set aside $30 billion to protect the health benefits for coal miners and their families. But her quip about putting coal miners out of business gave Republicans a perfect soundbite to use against her in states like Kentucky and West Virginia, where the party has made historic gains in coal communities in recent years by running against President Barack Obama's energy policies.


Source

This is the kind of thing that gets people to say Hillary is a flip flopper. If Bernie had hammered her for it as hard as Obama had, he'd probably be ahead right now.
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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
March 15 2016 15:20 GMT
#66407
On March 16 2016 00:16 oneofthem wrote:
hillary actually hates politics. kind of like her attitude towards reddit. she is just not that good at it.

anyway celebrity sighting i just passed by jim webb a while ago

In Cayman Islands woot.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 15 2016 15:25 GMT
#66408
I think the GOP will succeed in preventing Trump from getting the delegates he needs. I still don't think that's enough. If no one gets the delegates they need, how do they prevent a meltdown from giving the nomination to anyone but Trump? In what world is there not complete chaos?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 15 2016 15:25 GMT
#66409
The House Freedom Caucus will oppose a $1.07 trillion budget backed by Republican leaders, likely assuring that the fiscal package will fail if put up for a vote on the House floor.

Leaders of the conservative group said Monday night that they plan to vote against the package because it does not go far enough to cut spending. It's a crippling blow for GOP leaders, who repeatedly said passing a budget was a major goal for 2016.

"The Freedom Caucus is officially a no," said Idaho Rep. Raul Labrador. "We've been talking to leadership for several weeks, giving them the opportunity to make some good pitches to us, and so far everything we have heard has been less than stellar."

Budget Committee Chairman Tom Price of Georgia and Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) have labored to gain the support of the far-right caucus over the last six weeks but the top-line budget numbers are still too high to pass conservative muster.
Price plans to hold a markup on the budget Wednesday.

Members of the Freedom Caucus have pushed for $30 billion in immediate budget cuts in exchange for their support.

Freedom Caucus Chairman Jim Jordan, an Ohio Republican, said Monday that the group has offered proposals to Ryan and Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) that could bring the hardliners on board but those offers were rejected.


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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
March 15 2016 15:27 GMT
#66410
Encryption, Privacy Are Larger Issues Than Fighting Terrorism, Clarke Says

David Greene talks to former national security official Richard Clarke about the fight between Apple and the FBI. The FBI wants an iPhone that was used by one of the San Bernardino shooters unlocked.

Source
you gotta dance
trulojucreathrma.com
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
United States327 Posts
March 15 2016 16:01 GMT
#66411
On March 16 2016 00:25 Mohdoo wrote:
I think the GOP will succeed in preventing Trump from getting the delegates he needs. I still don't think that's enough. If no one gets the delegates they need, how do they prevent a meltdown from giving the nomination to anyone but Trump? In what world is there not complete chaos?



What do you think Trump supporters will do at the GOP convention when Trump has the most votes, but no majority, and they elect Romney or Rubio?

We have already seen what happens when some 'Bernie Bro' yells causing Trump to have to be silent for 30 seconds.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 15 2016 16:01 GMT
#66412
On March 16 2016 00:25 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
The House Freedom Caucus will oppose a $1.07 trillion budget backed by Republican leaders, likely assuring that the fiscal package will fail if put up for a vote on the House floor.

Leaders of the conservative group said Monday night that they plan to vote against the package because it does not go far enough to cut spending. It's a crippling blow for GOP leaders, who repeatedly said passing a budget was a major goal for 2016.

"The Freedom Caucus is officially a no," said Idaho Rep. Raul Labrador. "We've been talking to leadership for several weeks, giving them the opportunity to make some good pitches to us, and so far everything we have heard has been less than stellar."

Budget Committee Chairman Tom Price of Georgia and Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) have labored to gain the support of the far-right caucus over the last six weeks but the top-line budget numbers are still too high to pass conservative muster.
Price plans to hold a markup on the budget Wednesday.

Members of the Freedom Caucus have pushed for $30 billion in immediate budget cuts in exchange for their support.

Freedom Caucus Chairman Jim Jordan, an Ohio Republican, said Monday that the group has offered proposals to Ryan and Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) that could bring the hardliners on board but those offers were rejected.


Source

Please cut this negotiated budget by 1/3 because we don’t understand was compromise is. We just pick numbers from the sky in an effort to make government not work. We know you will never work with the democrats, so our power is unlimited.

Seriously, with how the primaries are going, they establishment should just go do the moderate democrats in the house and slam that thing through out of spite.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
March 15 2016 16:15 GMT
#66413
You know what makes me upset?

That people want a democracy and give people the right to have a voice... And then the moment that people use their vote to vote for Trump, all these liberals will start spewing articles on my news feed about how he's a bad person, the media is campaigning and spending tens of millions of dollars campaigning against him and feeding people propaganda, taken quotes completely out of context, and doing everything so he doesn't get into office.

Its just really sad, that the exact same people who are proponents of free speech now try and manipulate other people to vote for what they want. Its like if you're agreeing with them, yeah choice is great. Then the moment you have a different view (and all the people you've been trying to make liberal secretly aren't), you are now against them and make them seem like awful people. The media categorizes the Trump supports as racists and so forth, even though he has 40%+ in polls against Hillary and Bernie.

Does that make 40% of the US population awful people? And if so, then what kind of people who want to be in politics and see America united shit on 40%+ of the population at one time? Seriously, fuck the media in this process, get educated, and go out to vote for what you believe in. When you have a debate, why do you have to have the media analyze for you who won and who lost... You watched it, can't you use your head to see what you agree with?

/rantover
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44401 Posts
March 15 2016 16:15 GMT
#66414
On March 15 2016 23:41 ErectedZenith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2016 23:22 Plansix wrote:
So if we tax the highest earners in the US, they will flee to other countries, diminish their influence on politics and future tax policy? That sounds pretty good for the middle class, IMO. I am sure we can find a way to make up for the loss in tax revenue.


Middle class will lose jobs due to their fleeing employers.

Its economy 101.

The middle class are not predominantly employed in meeting the needs of the super rich. If they were the trickle down effect would be a real thing and not a myth made up to argue that the cause of poverty is that the rich aren't quite rich enough yet.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 15 2016 16:16 GMT
#66415
I'm skeptical the nominee will be decided at the convention. A lot of the math being done assumes that the race's trajectory doesn't change, and it probably will.

At some point voters and/or the media will give up on Rubio and Kasich and things will essentially pare down to Cruz and Trump, but Cruz' best states are almost all behind him and almost everything ahead is some variation of winner-takes-all. Trump may be a little behind his mark after tonight if you go by 538's forecast, but if it's him versus Cruz come late April the nomination is Trump's.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-15 16:23:34
March 15 2016 16:21 GMT
#66416
On March 16 2016 00:19 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2016 00:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) — Facing a backlash from Appalachian Democrats, Hillary Clinton's campaign on Monday tried to reaffirm her commitment to coal communities one day after declaring on national television she was going to "to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business."

Clinton's comments came during a Sunday night appearance on CNN, where she was asked a question about how her policies would benefit poor white people in southern states who generally vote Republican.

"I'm the only candidate, which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity, using clean renewable energy as the key, into coal country. Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business," Clinton said. "We're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people."

Clinton was touting a plan she released last year that would set aside $30 billion to protect the health benefits for coal miners and their families. But her quip about putting coal miners out of business gave Republicans a perfect soundbite to use against her in states like Kentucky and West Virginia, where the party has made historic gains in coal communities in recent years by running against President Barack Obama's energy policies.


Source

This is the kind of thing that gets people to say Hillary is a flip flopper. If Bernie had hammered her for it as hard as Obama had, he'd probably be ahead right now.

How could her stance lead someone to see her as a flip flopper? She clearly said that she would do her best, and had a plan, to help those who have suffered and would suffer from the coal industry's decline. Where is the flip flop?
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
March 15 2016 16:22 GMT
#66417
On March 16 2016 01:15 FiWiFaKi wrote:
You know what makes me upset?

That people want a democracy and give people the right to have a voice... And then the moment that people use their vote to vote for Trump, all these liberals will start spewing articles on my news feed about how he's a bad person, the media is campaigning and spending tens of millions of dollars campaigning against him and feeding people propaganda, taken quotes completely out of context, and doing everything so he doesn't get into office.

Its just really sad, that the exact same people who are proponents of free speech now try and manipulate other people to vote for what they want. Its like if you're agreeing with them, yeah choice is great. Then the moment you have a different view (and all the people you've been trying to make liberal secretly aren't), you are now against them and make them seem like awful people. The media categorizes the Trump supports as racists and so forth, even though he has 40%+ in polls against Hillary and Bernie.

Does that make 40% of the US population awful people? And if so, then what kind of people who want to be in politics and see America united shit on 40%+ of the population at one time? Seriously, fuck the media in this process, get educated, and go out to vote for what you believe in. When you have a debate, why do you have to have the media analyze for you who won and who lost... You watched it, can't you use your head to see what you agree with?

/rantover

This remind me of that episode of south park where they conclude that yes, at least 25% of the americans are retards.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 15 2016 16:23 GMT
#66418
On March 16 2016 01:16 Seuss wrote:
I'm skeptical the nominee will be decided at the convention. A lot of the math being done assumes that the race's trajectory doesn't change, and it probably will.

At some point voters and/or the media will give up on Rubio and Kasich and things will essentially pare down to Cruz and Trump, but Cruz' best states are almost all behind him and almost everything ahead is some variation of winner-takes-all. Trump may be a little behind his mark after tonight if you go by 538's forecast, but if it's him versus Cruz come late April the nomination is Trump's.


I think the GOP is starting to wonder "Holy fuck, does Kasich maybe have a chance?". They need an end-game. I think Kasich is their only end-game now that unbelievably tiny, very small, Rubio is out. Cruz is just not a winning strategy.

IMO, in terms of general election hopes:

1. Kasich
2. Trump (defended planned parenthood, advocated for diplomacy in debates, never been religious enough to turn people off)
3. Cruz
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
March 15 2016 16:23 GMT
#66419
On March 16 2016 01:16 Seuss wrote:
I'm skeptical the nominee will be decided at the convention. A lot of the math being done assumes that the race's trajectory doesn't change, and it probably will.

At some point voters and/or the media will give up on Rubio and Kasich and things will essentially pare down to Cruz and Trump, but Cruz' best states are almost all behind him and almost everything ahead is some variation of winner-takes-all. Trump may be a little behind his mark after tonight if you go by 538's forecast, but if it's him versus Cruz come late April the nomination is Trump's.


From what I've been looking at the polls, looking at the trends and whatnot, I think if today goes as predicted (Ohio for Kasich and Florida, Illinois, Missouri for Trump), it all will come down to California to decide whether Trump can get a majority.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 15 2016 16:33 GMT
#66420
On March 16 2016 01:22 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2016 01:15 FiWiFaKi wrote:
You know what makes me upset?

That people want a democracy and give people the right to have a voice... And then the moment that people use their vote to vote for Trump, all these liberals will start spewing articles on my news feed about how he's a bad person, the media is campaigning and spending tens of millions of dollars campaigning against him and feeding people propaganda, taken quotes completely out of context, and doing everything so he doesn't get into office.

Its just really sad, that the exact same people who are proponents of free speech now try and manipulate other people to vote for what they want. Its like if you're agreeing with them, yeah choice is great. Then the moment you have a different view (and all the people you've been trying to make liberal secretly aren't), you are now against them and make them seem like awful people. The media categorizes the Trump supports as racists and so forth, even though he has 40%+ in polls against Hillary and Bernie.

Does that make 40% of the US population awful people? And if so, then what kind of people who want to be in politics and see America united shit on 40%+ of the population at one time? Seriously, fuck the media in this process, get educated, and go out to vote for what you believe in. When you have a debate, why do you have to have the media analyze for you who won and who lost... You watched it, can't you use your head to see what you agree with?

/rantover

This remind me of that episode of south park where they conclude that yes, at least 25% of the americans are retards.

And as always pointed out, head to head polls are wildly inaccurate and a lot of polling does not accurately represent how the population will vote. And apparently freedom to decide and vote means freedom from criticism by the media and population.

But there will always be a section of the US population that is racist and politicians willing to listen to them.
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