EPTGuess it is still a wait and see if he can keep up the momentum (and gain more).
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Gorsameth
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Guess it is still a wait and see if he can keep up the momentum (and gain more). | ||
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oneofthem
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On March 09 2016 15:52 IgnE wrote: Hopefully so. Some trade is good sure. Increasing corporate power at the expense of democratic governments across the world while enclosing the intellectual commons with barbed wire privatizing of intellectual "property" seems to get short shrift in Noah's analysis. Lol @ the Bono quote btw. Just quote Bono if you want to vitiate your whole essay. enforcing ip is good for the u.s. and also for other countries in the long term. serious confusion to be pro worker yet also approve of ip theft by foreign states and industry. trillion dollar issue | ||
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puerk
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oneofthem
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farvacola
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I mean it isn't hard to see why you'd buy that spiel but there are far less transparent (and effective) means of indicting Sanders. | ||
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trulojucreathrma.com
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Republicans will back Clinton, whom they hate, super strongly if Trump gets the nomination. The democrats will back Cruz, who wants to carpet bomb and is worse than Trump in many respect, if Sanders gets the nomination. Anyway, it looks like Clinton does so extremely poorly with independents, they really need to fear Trump a lot to come out and vote and give Clinton a shot. Trump on the other hand, draws out all kinds of people that normally never vote. Sanders doesn't seem to have a shot with the democrat base, but he can beat Trump. If it is Trump vs Clinton, it will be a disaster. She might be forced to withdraw even before people get to vote. In that case, there will be a third party candidate. You cannot have someone as extreme and controversial as Trump run an election against no one. All the established powers will soon unite and campaign super-hard against Trump. But all the negative ads do not seem to work and political pundits are useless, as Trump changes all the rules. I really think there will be a third candidate. A status quo independent. Be it Romney, be it Bloomberg but probably some other person they can all rally around and that does well with 'sensible' voters and independents. They are going to come up with someone. And if it is Sanders vs Trump, you can get a third party candidate that is supported, maybe not openly, by both the democrats and the republicans. That would be amazingly odd. But it might happen. Trump cannot possibly be allowed to win. Sanders cannot possibly be allowed to win. If Trump, or even Sanders, win in a 3 way battle, because winner takes all, people will be so mad. They will call for a second round, which is unconstitutional, and it will be crazy. | ||
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farvacola
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Reaper9
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trulojucreathrma.com
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On March 09 2016 23:48 Reaper9 wrote: Trust me, as a "Democrat" I would eat my own foot before I would support Cruz. You aren't a democrat. You are just a voter. Their backers will tell them to support Cruz. They will do so even if they don't like it. Even republicans hate Cruz more than Trump. Still, they will back Cruz fine. Trump, not so much. They rather pick Clinton. | ||
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farvacola
United States18870 Posts
On March 09 2016 23:49 trulojucreathrma.com wrote: You aren't a democrat. You are just a voter. And you have no authority to label-correct anyone, you're just a weird TL poster with a fake website for a name  apparently, you also like tin foil hats! | ||
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Reaper9
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trulojucreathrma.com
United States327 Posts
On March 09 2016 23:50 farvacola wrote: And you have no authority to label-correct anyone, you're just a weird TL poster with a fake website for a name You yourself called yourself a democrat in parenthesis. You were right to do so. I am not talking about you, and you admit you knew that. So why protest I am telling you what you think, say and do? Because we both know I am not. The republican party and their backers, if they don't run a third party candidate, will back Clinton over Trump. The democratic party and their backers, will back Cruz over Sanders. All Sanders does is talk about Wall Street, pharmaceuticals, big money and superPAC's. You really think they are going to support him over Cruz? You really have to be kidding me. When the polls open and you, a voter leaning democrats, are allowed to do your say, the election result is already known. | ||
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Reaper9
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I've kept up with this since its inception. I've seen all the damn shenanigans that Cruz pulled (I read this thread. Every day since its humble beginnings). I'm not voting for a man like that. | ||
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Nothing happened except that polls were wrong yet again (something that we'll have to get used to as the race progresses, there's less interest and less money in polls). The republican side is a four person mess and the early inklings of the race switching up were shown to be unfounded. Trump isn't doing worse or better, Cruz is still seen as the front runner among the losers, Rubio and Kasich still spoil each other. On the democratic side, Sanders is still performing just under what he would need to keep the race even, and is slowly but surely losing the delegate race. Most Dems will probably stop following the race soon which means that you can expect a lot more headlines about record low turnouts or some nonsense like that. But the Dem race is much easier to understand, both Clinton and Sanders have their strengths (such as independents for Sanders, AA for Clinton) and you can nearly predict every result based on demographics. | ||
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trulojucreathrma.com
United States327 Posts
On March 09 2016 23:55 Reaper9 wrote: I've kept up with this since its inception. I've seen all the damn shenanigans that Cruz pulled (I read this thread. Every day since its humble beginnings). I'm not voting for a man like that. Of course you aren't. You still aren't getting. Cruz is more fascist than Trump. But that doesn't matter. If you take all people employed/in office for the democratic party, 466 to 2 will support Clinton over Sanders. Sanders will get 0 super delegates if Clinton wins. Sanders isn't a member of the democratic party. When Sanders talks about Wall Street and big corporations, denouncing them as he does every speech, he and the democratic establishment both know what he is really talking about; the democratic establishment. For sure they will back a crypto-fascist over a guy that's out to get them. | ||
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xDaunt
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iPlaY.NettleS
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On March 09 2016 23:55 Reaper9 wrote: And I understand perfectly what I am. I am also someone who studies something other than American history. I've also seen the events that transpire when a government, no matter how corrupt, collapses, both in modern and ancient times. Let me reiterate for you, Cruz is a menace most people should not be voting for. I've kept up with this since its inception. I've seen all the damn shenanigans that Cruz pulled (I read this thread. Every day since its humble beginnings). I'm not voting for a man like that. So what are you saying, that Cruz would bring about a collapse but Clinton or Sanders wouldn't? If you've studied ancient history you'd know the telltale signs of empire decline and collapse.Overstretched military, debasing the currency, moral decline, apathy.The die is set no matter who gets in, collapse is baked in the cake. | ||
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oneofthem
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On March 09 2016 23:10 farvacola wrote: That Noah Smith article is painfully unresponsive to Sanders' platform in two major ways: first, it utterly fails to identify even a modicum of nuance. Accordingly, Noah's assumption that Bernie is going to straight up kill all forms of international trade is both wrong in plain terms and incredibly misleading in terms of giving form to a primary stumping platform. Which leads me to point two: Smith's article fails to recognize that Sanders has a strong incentive to paint in broad strokes during a primary, particularly in terms of illustrating a populist, leftist approach to trade that'll get out the vote (see Michigan). I mean it isn't hard to see why you'd buy that spiel but there are far less transparent (and effective) means of indicting Sanders. how is it wrong to suggest sanders would unravel the free trade paradigm the u.s. has built up over the decades? talk about nuance with sanders would require him to have some, and he does not. he also lacks strategic common sense | ||
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farvacola
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On March 10 2016 00:04 xDaunt wrote: Sanders' campaign will remain largely irrelevant until he starts pulling some superdelegates. Pulling super delegates itself hinges on relevancy so....no duh? | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Donald Trump has a commanding lead over Marco Rubio and John Kasich in their home states. PoliticoA CNN/ORC poll out Wednesday has Trump holding the lead in Florida with almost double the share of voters than Rubio (40 percent to 24 percent). Cruz follows with 19 percent and Kasich has just 5 percent. The poll of Ohio Republicans has Trump ahead of the Ohio governor 41 percent to 35 percent. Texas Sen. Ted Cruz has 15 percent and Rubio is a distant fourth with 7 percent. Last chance for Rubio. It's fitting that he trails in his own state, where he turned a campaign trailing 46% to an incumbent governor, Crist, into a win. He almost immediately reversed course on immigration upon election to the Senate (Gang of Eight), and Florida remembers. His second correction on the issue came way too late. | ||
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