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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 15 2016 22:45 GMT
#58601
HAVANA (AP) — The Obama administration has approved the first U.S. factory in Cuba in more than half a century, allowing a two-man company from Alabama to build a plant assembling as many as 1,000 small tractors a year for sale to private farmers in Cuba.

The Treasury Department last week notified partners Horace Clemmons and Saul Berenthal that they can legally build tractors and other heavy equipment in a special economic zone started by the Cuban government to attract foreign investment.

Cuban officials already have publicly and enthusiastically endorsed the project. The partners said they expect to be building tractors in Cuba by the first quarter of 2017.

"Everybody wants to go to Cuba to sell something and that's not what we're trying to do. We're looking at the problem and how do we help Cuba solve the problems that they consider are the most important problems for them to solve," Clemmons said. "It's our belief that in the long run we both win if we do things that are beneficial to both countries."

The $5 million to $10 million plant would be the first significant U.S. business investment on Cuban soil since Fidel Castro took power in 1959 and nationalized billions of dollars of U.S. corporate and private property. That confiscation provoked a U.S. embargo on Cuba that prohibited virtually all forms of commerce and fined non-U.S. companies millions of dollars for doing business with the island.

Letting an American tractor company operate inside a Cuban government facility would have been unimaginable before Presidents Barack Obama and Raul Castro declared on Dec. 17, 2014, that they would restore diplomatic relations and move to normalize trade, travel and other aspects of the long-broken bilateral relationship.

Since then, Obama has been carving exceptions into the embargo through a series of executive actions, and his administration now says they allow U.S. manufacturing at the Mariel port and special economic zone about 30 miles west of Havana. One exception allows U.S. companies to export products that benefit private and cooperative farmers in Cuba. Berenthal and Clemmons say they will sell only to the private sector.


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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 16 2016 00:27 GMT
#58602
So Trump says his pledge isn't worth a thing anymore because of the bush/rubio audiance stacking and he won't support the GOP nomination if it's someone else than him.

On February 14 2016 08:55 Toadesstern wrote:
Here's what I want to see happening:

Rubio ends up being the nomination to run for president.
Cruz leads the Republicans all the way down the rabbit hole by trying to block Obamas suggestion creating the worst possible scenario for Republicans.
At this point Trump just says fuck it all and runs as independent.
Bloomberg runs as independent as well because when if not during those times.
One out of Hillary/Bernie runs as the democrat nomation.

One can dream

<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11988 Posts
February 16 2016 00:54 GMT
#58603
On February 16 2016 09:27 Toadesstern wrote:
So Trump says his pledge isn't worth a thing anymore because of the bush/rubio audiance stacking and he won't support the GOP nomination if it's someone else than him.

Show nested quote +
On February 14 2016 08:55 Toadesstern wrote:
Here's what I want to see happening:

Rubio ends up being the nomination to run for president.
Cruz leads the Republicans all the way down the rabbit hole by trying to block Obamas suggestion creating the worst possible scenario for Republicans.
At this point Trump just says fuck it all and runs as independent.
Bloomberg runs as independent as well because when if not during those times.
One out of Hillary/Bernie runs as the democrat nomation.

One can dream



How incredibly unexpected. Wasn't it absolutely certain that Trump would give absolutely no fucks as to what he said beforehand when he thinks a different course is better for him now?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46426 Posts
February 16 2016 00:58 GMT
#58604
I guess this would be the place to post this:

I was asked by the high school I'm teaching at to moderate a mock debate, where a bunch of high school students (in groups of 3) have researched either Cruz, Trump, Rubio, Christie (even though he's gone), Clinton, or Sanders, and the debate will be between all 6 of those groups, as I ask pretty much any questions I want. They'll try to come up with answers and arguments as similar to those created by the actual candidates as possible (similar to the mock debate on The Newsroom).

Please PM me if you have any good political questions you'd like me to ask the (very eloquent and bright high school versions of the) candidates
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1098 Posts
February 16 2016 01:08 GMT
#58605
On February 16 2016 09:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I guess this would be the place to post this:

I was asked by the high school I'm teaching at to moderate a mock debate, where a bunch of high school students (in groups of 3) have researched either Cruz, Trump, Rubio, Christie (even though he's gone), Clinton, or Sanders, and the debate will be between all 6 of those groups, as I ask pretty much any questions I want. They'll try to come up with answers and arguments as similar to those created by the actual candidates as possible (similar to the mock debate on The Newsroom).

Please PM me if you have any good political questions you'd like me to ask the (very eloquent and bright high school versions of the) candidates

This could be the greatest high school mock debate ever if the Trump kids pull an actual Trump and not just try to imitate his positions. I was literally laughing out loud last Republican debate. I think the next debate should be hosted by Vince Mcmahon.

Anyways, to answer your question:
"Are you ready to rumbleeee?!?" I may be mixing up my sports here.
Playing better than standard requires deviation. This divergence usually results in sub-standard play.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
February 16 2016 01:15 GMT
#58606
On February 16 2016 09:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I guess this would be the place to post this:

I was asked by the high school I'm teaching at to moderate a mock debate, where a bunch of high school students (in groups of 3) have researched either Cruz, Trump, Rubio, Christie (even though he's gone), Clinton, or Sanders, and the debate will be between all 6 of those groups, as I ask pretty much any questions I want. They'll try to come up with answers and arguments as similar to those created by the actual candidates as possible (similar to the mock debate on The Newsroom).

Please PM me if you have any good political questions you'd like me to ask the (very eloquent and bright high school versions of the) candidates


Oh my... Will they have an audience?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46426 Posts
February 16 2016 01:23 GMT
#58607
On February 16 2016 10:15 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2016 09:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I guess this would be the place to post this:

I was asked by the high school I'm teaching at to moderate a mock debate, where a bunch of high school students (in groups of 3) have researched either Cruz, Trump, Rubio, Christie (even though he's gone), Clinton, or Sanders, and the debate will be between all 6 of those groups, as I ask pretty much any questions I want. They'll try to come up with answers and arguments as similar to those created by the actual candidates as possible (similar to the mock debate on The Newsroom).

Please PM me if you have any good political questions you'd like me to ask the (very eloquent and bright high school versions of the) candidates


Oh my... Will they have an audience?


Other students and teachers, yes It's not in front of the whole high school or anything like that though.

On February 16 2016 10:08 RenSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2016 09:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I guess this would be the place to post this:

I was asked by the high school I'm teaching at to moderate a mock debate, where a bunch of high school students (in groups of 3) have researched either Cruz, Trump, Rubio, Christie (even though he's gone), Clinton, or Sanders, and the debate will be between all 6 of those groups, as I ask pretty much any questions I want. They'll try to come up with answers and arguments as similar to those created by the actual candidates as possible (similar to the mock debate on The Newsroom).

Please PM me if you have any good political questions you'd like me to ask the (very eloquent and bright high school versions of the) candidates

This could be the greatest high school mock debate ever if the Trump kids pull an actual Trump and not just try to imitate his positions. I was literally laughing out loud last Republican debate. I think the next debate should be hosted by Vince Mcmahon.

Anyways, to answer your question:
"Are you ready to rumbleeee?!?" I may be mixing up my sports here.


I think what's impossible, however, is that I'm supposed to try and hold the students even more accountable than the real candidates are held. So in other words, I have to make the Trump kids say more than just "We'll keep winning" and "I'll make Mexico build it". Not sure if that's possible, since how are they supposed to come up with answers "like the candidates" if those candidates don't have answers at all?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18439 Posts
February 16 2016 01:37 GMT
#58608
On February 16 2016 09:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I guess this would be the place to post this:

I was asked by the high school I'm teaching at to moderate a mock debate, where a bunch of high school students (in groups of 3) have researched either Cruz, Trump, Rubio, Christie (even though he's gone), Clinton, or Sanders, and the debate will be between all 6 of those groups, as I ask pretty much any questions I want. They'll try to come up with answers and arguments as similar to those created by the actual candidates as possible (similar to the mock debate on The Newsroom).

Please PM me if you have any good political questions you'd like me to ask the (very eloquent and bright high school versions of the) candidates

How would you respond to our Saudi allies if they decide to put boots on the ground in Syria to combat the Iranian troops allied with Assad, knowing that this might escalate the situation even further?
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
February 16 2016 02:07 GMT
#58609
On February 16 2016 09:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I guess this would be the place to post this:

I was asked by the high school I'm teaching at to moderate a mock debate, where a bunch of high school students (in groups of 3) have researched either Cruz, Trump, Rubio, Christie (even though he's gone), Clinton, or Sanders, and the debate will be between all 6 of those groups, as I ask pretty much any questions I want. They'll try to come up with answers and arguments as similar to those created by the actual candidates as possible (similar to the mock debate on The Newsroom).

Please PM me if you have any good political questions you'd like me to ask the (very eloquent and bright high school versions of the) candidates


How much would would a would trump trump if a would trump could trump would?
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46426 Posts
February 16 2016 02:12 GMT
#58610
On February 16 2016 11:07 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2016 09:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I guess this would be the place to post this:

I was asked by the high school I'm teaching at to moderate a mock debate, where a bunch of high school students (in groups of 3) have researched either Cruz, Trump, Rubio, Christie (even though he's gone), Clinton, or Sanders, and the debate will be between all 6 of those groups, as I ask pretty much any questions I want. They'll try to come up with answers and arguments as similar to those created by the actual candidates as possible (similar to the mock debate on The Newsroom).

Please PM me if you have any good political questions you'd like me to ask the (very eloquent and bright high school versions of the) candidates


How much would would a would trump trump if a would trump could trump would?


All of it.

And Mexico would pay.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44288 Posts
February 16 2016 02:18 GMT
#58611
Whenever anyone challenges Bernie on the money for his plans he should just say Mexico will pay. Because trading partners and leverage and good deals America great again.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 16 2016 02:25 GMT
#58612
On February 16 2016 09:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I guess this would be the place to post this:

I was asked by the high school I'm teaching at to moderate a mock debate, where a bunch of high school students (in groups of 3) have researched either Cruz, Trump, Rubio, Christie (even though he's gone), Clinton, or Sanders, and the debate will be between all 6 of those groups, as I ask pretty much any questions I want. They'll try to come up with answers and arguments as similar to those created by the actual candidates as possible (similar to the mock debate on The Newsroom).

Please PM me if you have any good political questions you'd like me to ask the (very eloquent and bright high school versions of the) candidates

If, in the spirit of inclusiveness, you were elected President and nominated your fellow former candidates for various high offices, which office would you nominate each one for?

I've been meaning to discuss this in thread actually, but never got around to it.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 16 2016 02:33 GMT
#58613
On February 16 2016 09:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I guess this would be the place to post this:

I was asked by the high school I'm teaching at to moderate a mock debate, where a bunch of high school students (in groups of 3) have researched either Cruz, Trump, Rubio, Christie (even though he's gone), Clinton, or Sanders, and the debate will be between all 6 of those groups, as I ask pretty much any questions I want. They'll try to come up with answers and arguments as similar to those created by the actual candidates as possible (similar to the mock debate on The Newsroom).

Please PM me if you have any good political questions you'd like me to ask the (very eloquent and bright high school versions of the) candidates


[insert candidate name here], why do you hate [insert other candidate name here]'s guts?
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-16 02:54:50
February 16 2016 02:39 GMT
#58614
sanders health plan is pretty vague but i imagine it has to be a bigger medicare in basic framework.

cutting out health insurance alone would save a lot of money despite these guys not making much paper profit per se. but really you probably want to tackle different demographics/population segments differently. the whole retirement age group would cost a pretty penny.

the end game is pretty simple, sanders wants more federal redistribution to the lower 70%ish percent of the population. this is fine and dandy, but you need the revenue and ultimately the economy to support this. given the demographic trends with the baby boomers now would be a particularly difficult period to make this shift
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
February 16 2016 03:04 GMT
#58615
let's encourage more babies. especially white ones.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 16 2016 03:18 GMT
#58616
Advocacy group Environment America has "crunched the numbers" in an effort to reveal who the largest polluters of American waterways are. The culprits that crack the top-15 list may very well surprise you.

If you ask people on the street who America's biggest water polluter is, for many, oil Goliaths like Exxon or Chevron might be first to come to mind - but not by a long shot would either of those be the correct answer.

AK Steel Holding Corp took the slimy grimy first-place prize, with transnational mega meat marketer Tyson Foods coming in a very close second. Two oil companies, Phillips 66 and ExxonMobil, did make the top-15 - but only in 13th and 15th places respectively.

Interestingly, nearly half the entities on the list were food and meat producers, but it's the third-place finisher that's been raising some eyebrows as well.

According to the analysis, the US government, and specifically the Department of Defense (DOD), is the third largest water polluter in America, having dumped some 63,335,653 pounds of poison into waterways from 2010-2014.

The data was compiled using numbers from the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) Toxic Release Inventory (TRI) program. According to EPA's website, "TRI tracks the management of certain toxic chemicals that may pose a threat to human health and the environment. US facilities in different industry sectors must report annually how much of each chemical is released to the environment."

Amongst the many potentially deadly substances released by DOD are chemicals, rocket fuel and toxic sewage - but it's the carcinogenic and mutagenic radioactive isotopes let loose by its nuclear munition plants that make DOD's emissions exceptionally dangerous. The Department's myriad facilities, dedicated steadfastly to perpetuating ongoing participation in the nuclear bomb game, have been leaking and leeching lethal radiation from the dawn of the nuclear age, to the present day.

In other words, the very Defense Department that is supposed to be protecting American citizens from mortal threats, is, in and of itself, one of the deadliest threats Americans face - not from bombs or guns, but from millions of pounds of pollution, perpetrated on the country's unsuspecting population every year, by way of the Pentagon itself.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 16 2016 03:21 GMT
#58617
HANAHAN, S.C. Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump did not close the door Monday on a possible third-party run after accusing the Republican party of breaking its pledge to stay neutral in the race.

“The (Republican National Committee) is in default,” Trump said during a news conference at the Hanahan Town Hall on Monday. “When somebody is in default, that means the other side can what they have to do.”

The New York billionaire also criticized Republican Gov. Nikki Nikki Haley for failing to protect South Carolina from Syrian refugees who could pose a danger to the state and the possibility of the Guantanamo prisoners being transferred to the Naval brig outside Charleston.

“A governor has a lot of power people don’t realize,” he said in three miles from the brig. “A governor has a choice.”

Haley has sent letters to federal officials voicing her objection to allowing refugees in the state without vetting and protesting relocating Guantanamo prisoners to South Carolina. No decision has been made about moving Guantanamo prisoners.

The State
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 16 2016 03:50 GMT
#58618
Not at shocked Trump went full Trump.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 16 2016 04:06 GMT
#58619
On February 16 2016 12:04 IgnE wrote:
let's encourage more babies. especially white ones.

free childcare mebbe.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 16 2016 04:09 GMT
#58620
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/11/super_pac_money_how_political_groups_are_spending_to_influence_the_2016.html

At least if you shovel money into a furnace it keeps you warm, that's better ROI than whatever the heck Jeb!'s PAC is doing
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