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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 15 2015 22:00 GMT
#53181
On December 16 2015 06:59 oneofthem wrote:
seems like california has these archaic as fuck water rights.

Well when you take water from one side of your huge state and ship it to another side of your huge state and also take water from outside the state, its a problem waiting to happen.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 15 2015 22:12 GMT
#53182
that may be the product of whatever fucked up spanish conquista system they got running there
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-16 00:43:03
December 16 2015 00:38 GMT
#53183
Watching some of the republican minor candidates debate; some sense, but also far too many fundamentally unsound statements for my taste. I wish we had more sense in our politicians, or at least that they talked more sense instead of trying to spout macho nonsense for a subset of the electorate. It always pains me when I have sounder geopolitical and strategic sense than candidates for president.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
December 16 2015 00:54 GMT
#53184
On December 16 2015 06:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
One can describe the 2016 Republican presidential candidates in many ways, but “silent” is seldom one of them. Yet after 195 nations agreed on Saturday to reduce the greenhouse gas emissions that cause climate change, the Republican field remained nearly mum.

There could be two reasons for this. They’re not interested in acknowledging a victory for President Obama. Perhaps more important, blocking international action on climate change is not necessarily what Republican voters want.

Before the Paris meeting, the Environmental Protection Agency issued rules to cut emissions from coal-fired power plants, a move the Republican-led Congress voted this month to scuttle. Mr. Obama said he would veto that legislation, and the Paris agreement was written in language that avoids having to put it to a congressional vote.

In light of the Paris pact and broad public support, it’s starting to look like a handful of Republicans against a warming world.

About two-thirds of Americans want the United States to join an international pact to curb the growth of greenhouse gas emissions, according to a recent New York Times/CBS News poll. While a small majority of Republican voters oppose such a pact, a similarly small majority of Republicans favor domestic limits on carbon emissions from power plants — the limits that the Republican-led Congress voted to block.

The survey also suggests that denial of climate science is receding like so many glaciers: 75 percent of those polled agreed that global warming was seriously affecting the environment, or that it would in the future. More than half of Republicans (58 percent) agreed.

That makes things tricky for a Republican candidate hoping to lure climate change skeptics in the primary, then pull more moderates in the general election — which may explain the silence. Of the nine Republican candidates who will debate in prime time on Tuesday, only Gov. John Kasich of Ohio had any substantial comment on the pact: “While the governor believes that climate change is real and that human activity contributes to it, he has serious concerns with an agreement that the Obama administration deliberately crafted to avoid having to submit it to the Senate for approval,” Mr. Kasich’s spokesman said in a statement. “That’s an obvious indicator that they expect it to result in significant job loss and inflict further damage to our already sluggish economy.” The administration would argue that it avoided the Republican-controlled Congress because it would almost surely vote this agreement down, regardless of the world’s support for it.


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The writer is a novice indeed if they think any international agreement on climate change can be written so as to avoid a congressional vote.

If this Paris agreement's supporters can mobilize the posited majority for internation action to pressure their representatives to sign on, that would be quintessential representative government.

Now I think they're being more than a bit disingenuous trying to draw "denial of climate science is receding." The poll didn't give the available response "Global warming doesn't exist," it only noted which people chose it as a write-in fourth option. It was phrased to preassume it ... opening with the 'Will it impact us now, later, or won't have an impact' already presuming it exists and its just a matter of deleterious effects. If they wanted to know how many Americans questioned anthropogenic global warming, they would've needed a different question and randomized #1-7 questions to which gets asked first. I think they got the results they were keen on generating.

The international treaty question results are a bit better, but suffers from n=100 respondents.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 16 2015 01:54 GMT
#53185
Go away, Fiorina.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
December 16 2015 01:56 GMT
#53186
is it just me, or is it that the higher a GOP candidate polls, the more stupid shit they say?
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
December 16 2015 01:58 GMT
#53187
On December 16 2015 10:56 writer22816 wrote:
is it just me, or is it that the higher a GOP candidate polls, the more stupid shit they say?


Sadly you may be flipping the causation there.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 16 2015 01:59 GMT
#53188
Cruz was talking directly to Trump supporters with his opening statement.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
December 16 2015 01:59 GMT
#53189
On December 16 2015 10:58 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 10:56 writer22816 wrote:
is it just me, or is it that the higher a GOP candidate polls, the more stupid shit they say?


Sadly you may be flipping the causation there.


i didn't wish to imply a causation, but yes, i do believe it's the other way around
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 16 2015 02:02 GMT
#53190
I always crack up when Trump starts talking about "the wall" --- which will be a "Great Wall."
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18445 Posts
December 16 2015 02:03 GMT
#53191
Wow. Bush actually had some fire there :o
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
December 16 2015 02:05 GMT
#53192
Every single time i watch trump when somebody else is speaking, i imagine my sister when she was 13 years old. She had pretty much the same facial expressions etc when she got told off by my parents.

That can't be just me seeing that he's mentally underage.
On track to MA1950A.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18445 Posts
December 16 2015 02:07 GMT
#53193
And Rubio sounded inspired. Foreign policy seems to be his thing (also in previous debates). Cruz trying to sound like a technocrat, when everybody knows that he's actually an asshat. Whoops. Nvm. He's back to sounding like an asshat.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18445 Posts
December 16 2015 02:08 GMT
#53194
On December 16 2015 11:05 m4ini wrote:
Every single time i watch trump when somebody else is speaking, i imagine my sister when she was 13 years old. She had pretty much the same facial expressions etc when she got told off by my parents.

That can't be just me seeing that he's mentally underage.

Your sister was orange and had a ridiculous toupet? :D
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
December 16 2015 02:11 GMT
#53195
Well, no.

That helped. Now i don't imagine my sister anymore, but just a really, REALLY ugly bitchy kid.
On track to MA1950A.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18445 Posts
December 16 2015 02:13 GMT
#53196
Why did Kasich get applause for that ridiculous non-sequitur?
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
December 16 2015 02:14 GMT
#53197
That was a really silly question to ask Cruz. I don't think any amount of phone scanning would have stopped San Bernardino.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-16 02:16:29
December 16 2015 02:14 GMT
#53198
Was wondering that too, but i assume you can't just not clap.

edit:

i wonder at what point one of the candidates realizes that the threat is homemade, that comments like Trumps make ISISs propaganda actually truthful.
On track to MA1950A.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-16 02:20:37
December 16 2015 02:16 GMT
#53199
I dunno why they think ISIS is really that much more sophisticated than Al Qaeda was. The internet was their playground too. They're just what could have happened if Al Qaeda wanted to have a country instead of being as ideologically driven by bin Laden's dedication to...well...ideology.

Thank God Paul actually said that phone screens couldn't have stopped San Bernardino. Paul digs into Rubio and TWISTS the knife. Everyone LOOOOVES Paul right now, lmao.

Christie goes for the...questionable "are you guys bored of these people" line.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
December 16 2015 02:21 GMT
#53200
On December 16 2015 11:05 m4ini wrote:
Every single time i watch trump when somebody else is speaking, i imagine my sister when she was 13 years old. She had pretty much the same facial expressions etc when she got told off by my parents.

That can't be just me seeing that he's mentally underage.


Someone recently said to me, "I just realized if Trump won the race for president, people in other countries would speak slowly to us, like we're mentally challenged".
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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