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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 17 2015 23:46 GMT
#50581
Christie will be next the same reason Walker, now Jindal ended theirs. Domestic opposition turned against them and they fear they will lose the domestic races.
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-18 00:10:09
November 18 2015 00:05 GMT
#50582
In case we forget while mourning victims of ISIS, #BlackLivesMatter.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/16/black-lives-matter-protesters-berate-white-student/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3321190/F-filthy-white-s-Black-Lives-Matter-protesters-scream-epithets-white-students-studying-Dartmouth-library.html

The Dartmouth Review listed epithets that were hurled at white students, including ‘F*** you, you filthy white f***s!’ and ‘F*** you, you racist s****!’

It reported that as well as the profanity, both male and female students were shoved.


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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 18 2015 00:11 GMT
#50583
Outrage media at its finest. "We found some mean black people being mean. Here is a video, be outraged and confirm your own belief system so we can make money. Real news would be hard."
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 18 2015 01:07 GMT
#50584
Ohio Gov. John Kasich is proposing a new federal agency to spread Judeo-Christian values throughout the world as a way to combat the Islamic State.

"We need to beam messages around the world about what it means to have a Western ethic, to be a part of a Christian-Judeo society," Kasich said in an interview Tuesday with NBC. "It means freedom, it means opportunity, it means respect for women, it means so many things."

The GOP presidential contender laid out his proposal during a larger discussion of his plan to defeat the Islamic State. The agency would promote the Judeo-Christian beliefs to places such as China, Russia, and the Middle East, Kasich told NBC.

He defended the creation of the new agency, despite vows by some of his GOP rivals to shrink the federal government.

"There's nobody who's spent more time shrinking government and cutting budgets than I have," Kasich said, according to NBC.


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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18158 Posts
November 18 2015 01:09 GMT
#50585
I believe that institution already exists. It's called the Roman Catholic Church...

But yeah. Who needs a secular state.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 18 2015 01:14 GMT
#50586
Faith-based groups, who play a key role in resettling refugees to the United States, say they are dismayed by the wave of anti-refugee fervor set off by the Paris terrorist attacks and are urging supporters to contact elected officials on behalf of victims of the Syrian civil war.

Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly, are a core group in the Republican electoral base and are among the most passionate advocates for aiding refugees.

A push by Republican presidential candidates to ban Syrian refugees "does not reflect what we've been hearing from our constituencies, which are evangelical churches across the country," said Jenny Yang, vice president for advocacy at World Relief, an evangelical organization that helps resettle refugees. "Most of the people have been saying we want to continue to work with refugees, that what happened in Paris ... doesn’t reflect who refugees are."

Reports that a Syrian migrant may have played a role in last week's attacks in Paris, which killed more than 130 people, have set off a GOP-led backlash over the Obama administration's plans to admit 10,000 Syrian refugees next year. More than half of U.S. governors have said they do not want Syrian refugees resettled in their states, while House Speaker Paul Ryan says he wants a vote this week on GOP-drafted legislation to halt the administration's plans.

World Relief is one of nine groups, several of them faith-based, that help the U.S. resettle up to 70,000 refugees from around the world in the United States each year. Others include the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, and the Church World Service. Many other faith-based groups, including evangelical Christian organizations, also perform aid work overseas specifically aimed at refugees fleeing conflicts.

For Republican presidential contenders such as former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who have been working hard at shoring up evangelical support in a crowded field, harsh words against refugees carries a risk of looking politically opportunistic instead of compassionate. Some advocates were particularly shocked when Republican presidential candidate Chris Christie, New Jersey's governor, said that the U.S. should bar Syrian orphaned toddlers if necessary.


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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43350 Posts
November 18 2015 01:22 GMT
#50587
On November 18 2015 10:09 Acrofales wrote:
I believe that institution already exists. It's called the Roman Catholic Church...

But yeah. Who needs a secular state.

Or the Simpsons. Or pretty much every movie. Everyone knows what America is about at this point.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23515 Posts
November 18 2015 01:25 GMT
#50588
On November 18 2015 10:22 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 10:09 Acrofales wrote:
I believe that institution already exists. It's called the Roman Catholic Church...

But yeah. Who needs a secular state.

Or the Simpsons. Or pretty much every movie. Everyone knows what America is about at this point.


Except American's maybe.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 18 2015 01:31 GMT
#50589
What exactly justifies this presumption that the mere dissemination of Western culture is enough to defeat radical Islam? And even presuming that it is, it clearly isn't going to happen within one, or even two generations.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 18 2015 01:34 GMT
#50590
Nothing but a superiority complex and inability for introspection. There have been plenty of western, violent Christians in the last 50 years.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Krikkitone
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-18 01:47:35
November 18 2015 01:44 GMT
#50591
On November 18 2015 10:25 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 10:22 KwarK wrote:
On November 18 2015 10:09 Acrofales wrote:
I believe that institution already exists. It's called the Roman Catholic Church...

But yeah. Who needs a secular state.

Or the Simpsons. Or pretty much every movie. Everyone knows what America is about at this point.


Except American's maybe.


Which why that idea is a stupid one. (aside from the whole First Amendment=no official state religion)

Having it support Judeo-Christian values would run into problems in that there are American 'Christian' groups that disagree vehemently about what 'Judeo-Christian values' are.

Even having it support secular 'Constitutional values' would run into the same problems
1. (First Amendment=no official state political positions)
2. Americans can't agree on what is important in our society...even assuming the Republicans/Democrats took total control of the government, they have too many factions within themselves about what "our country's values are". (socialists v. identity politics, libertarians v. social conservatives)


Even take what Kaisch listed, those "values" are meaningless enough that ISIS can say they support them with the proper context.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 18 2015 02:25 GMT
#50592
Between 100,000 and 240,000 women in Texas aged 18 to 49 have tried to induce an abortion at home, according to a new study released on Tuesday.

In the first study of its kind, the Texas Policy Evaluation Project (TxPEP), run by the University of Texas, attempted to show the prevalence of self-induced abortions in the state in the wake of legislators’ attempts to limit women’s access to abortions. Last week the supreme court agreed to hear a challenge to one of Texas’s most stringent abortion laws, known as HB2, which has led to the closure of more than half the state’s clinics.

Presented alongside the TxPEP data were interviews with 18 women who had tried to end their pregnancies at home – with varying degrees of success and differing medical consequences – in the past five years. The women were interviewed between October 2014 and October 2015.

A 24-year-old from the lower Rio Grande valley used the abortion medication misoprostol to try to end her pregnancy.

“It was the worst cramping I’ve ever had and probably one of the worst pains I’ve gone through,” she wrote. “And there was also the fact that I’m doing it at home, we’re not – though we have all of the information as to how much bleeding is too much bleeding, you know, or that, there’s always that slight uncertainty of, like, I don’t really know what I’m doing.”

A 20-year-old Houston woman wrote about taking black cohosh, vitamin C and “a special root pill” to try to end her pregnancy.

“And after a while taking all the pills was very nauseating and I didn’t want to do it any more,” she wrote. “So, it was just a lot to take in and I wasn’t taking it well, but I kept doing it anyway.”

She, like the other five women who tried taking herbs or vitamins, had to obtain a surgical abortion when it became clear that these methods were not working.

To determine the prevalence of self-induced abortions in Texas, investigators surveyed women and asked them whether they had ever tried to end a pregnancy outside a clinical setting, or if their best friend had. The best-friend measure was included because women tend to under-report abortions in studies.

In April 2013, 41 licensed abortion providers were open in Texas; today only 18 remain open. HB2 went into effect in November 2013.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
November 18 2015 02:26 GMT
#50593
On November 18 2015 10:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Faith-based groups, who play a key role in resettling refugees to the United States, say they are dismayed by the wave of anti-refugee fervor set off by the Paris terrorist attacks and are urging supporters to contact elected officials on behalf of victims of the Syrian civil war.

Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly, are a core group in the Republican electoral base and are among the most passionate advocates for aiding refugees.

A push by Republican presidential candidates to ban Syrian refugees "does not reflect what we've been hearing from our constituencies, which are evangelical churches across the country," said Jenny Yang, vice president for advocacy at World Relief, an evangelical organization that helps resettle refugees. "Most of the people have been saying we want to continue to work with refugees, that what happened in Paris ... doesn’t reflect who refugees are."

Reports that a Syrian migrant may have played a role in last week's attacks in Paris, which killed more than 130 people, have set off a GOP-led backlash over the Obama administration's plans to admit 10,000 Syrian refugees next year. More than half of U.S. governors have said they do not want Syrian refugees resettled in their states, while House Speaker Paul Ryan says he wants a vote this week on GOP-drafted legislation to halt the administration's plans.

World Relief is one of nine groups, several of them faith-based, that help the U.S. resettle up to 70,000 refugees from around the world in the United States each year. Others include the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, and the Church World Service. Many other faith-based groups, including evangelical Christian organizations, also perform aid work overseas specifically aimed at refugees fleeing conflicts.

For Republican presidential contenders such as former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who have been working hard at shoring up evangelical support in a crowded field, harsh words against refugees carries a risk of looking politically opportunistic instead of compassionate. Some advocates were particularly shocked when Republican presidential candidate Chris Christie, New Jersey's governor, said that the U.S. should bar Syrian orphaned toddlers if necessary.


Source

Evangelicals are a virus. Such a toxic ideology.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 18 2015 02:34 GMT
#50594
On November 18 2015 10:34 Plansix wrote:
Nothing but a superiority complex and inability for introspection. There have been plenty of western, violent Christians in the last 50 years.

I hate to break it to you, but the radical Muslims don't give two shits about your hilarious equivocation. It's completely irrelevant to the conversation of how to proceed.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 18 2015 02:40 GMT
#50595
On November 18 2015 11:34 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 10:34 Plansix wrote:
Nothing but a superiority complex and inability for introspection. There have been plenty of western, violent Christians in the last 50 years.

I hate to break it to you, but the radical Muslims don't give two shits about your hilarious equivocation. It's completely irrelevant to the conversation of how to proceed.

XDaunt, there is literally nothing you have broken to me ever. Literally all of the information and opinions you have sent my way have been redundant or worthless. But thanks for trying.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 18 2015 03:57 GMT
#50596
President Barack Obama could be close to nominating the first-ever woman to become the head of a military combatant command, Pentagon sources tell NPR.

The U.S. military divides the world into areas of responsibility run by four-star generals and admirals, but none has ever been female. Obama wants to change that before the end of his term, Pentagon sources say, by naming a woman to take command of U.S. Northern Command, which also runs the well-known North American Aerospace Defense Command, or NORAD.

NORAD and NorthCom are charged with defending the U.S., including scrambling Air Force fighters to respond to the recent intrusions by Russian bombers near American airspace. There's talk that its current commander, Navy Adm. Bill Gortney, could be retiring before his term is up at the end of next year, which would create the opportunity to make history with a female commander.

Two names on the shortlist are Air Force Gen. Lori Robinson, who now commands U.S. Air Forces in the Pacific, and Adm. Michelle Howard, who today serves as the vice chief of the Navy.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 18 2015 03:59 GMT
#50597
The problem is the ideology itself, the 'radicals' are a result of an environment that allow them to exist. But I dislike all religions for the same reason, its just that currently the radical muslims seem to be the most problematic.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 18 2015 04:29 GMT
#50598
On November 18 2015 10:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Ohio Gov. John Kasich is proposing a new federal agency to spread Judeo-Christian values throughout the world as a way to combat the Islamic State.

"We need to beam messages around the world about what it means to have a Western ethic, to be a part of a Christian-Judeo society," Kasich said in an interview Tuesday with NBC. "It means freedom, it means opportunity, it means respect for women, it means so many things."

The GOP presidential contender laid out his proposal during a larger discussion of his plan to defeat the Islamic State. The agency would promote the Judeo-Christian beliefs to places such as China, Russia, and the Middle East, Kasich told NBC.

He defended the creation of the new agency, despite vows by some of his GOP rivals to shrink the federal government.

"There's nobody who's spent more time shrinking government and cutting budgets than I have," Kasich said, according to NBC.


Source


Yo wtf, I thought you guys said Kasich was a serious person?
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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 18 2015 05:29 GMT
#50599
Well, as with many of the republican candidates, it seems he feels the need to say absurd things and pander to the worst parts of the party to get anywhere with his campaign. Shameful really because he was decent.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-18 11:01:34
November 18 2015 10:59 GMT
#50600
What makes a value "Judeo-Christian" anyway? Didn't America only become a "Judeo-Christian" nation because of people wanting to squash the tides of anti-semitism running through a lot of Europe in the 1930s? Freedom of thought is valued just as much in Islam as Christianity, just look at the golden age of the Middle East from the 8th century to the 13th century and compare it to what was going on in Europe; that was no less "real Islam" than the Islam practiced by violent extremists today (and I would argue that it was more in accord with what I've read of Muhammad's life). Wonder if they debated spreading "Islamic" values to Europe at the time?

But why spread values like "freedom of thought" and "freedom of expression" when we can just call them all "Judeo-Christian" and make the people we're targeting and trying to help have even more ammunition to whip people into a frenzy about religious imperialism?

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Also, I'll never really get how the gulf between Judaism and Christianity is somehow smaller than the gulf between Christianity and Islam in an inherently theological sense. Most of the god-related stuff that people cite as evidence of religious influence in the founding fathers could have been rooted equally in Christian, Jewish, and Islamic thought around that time. And I mean if it's just because Christians believe in the Torah + the Bible and Jews believe in the Torah, Islam integrates part of both of those holy texts (though it throws some out as not correct, just as Judaism does with the New Testament).
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