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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On November 11 2015 13:09 acker wrote: My thoughts on Yale: These people could stand to hear more insults and feel more pain. Maybe even go hungry for half a day for once in their lives. Dressing up as something you're not is not always racism; cosplay, D&D, Halloween, and Renaissance fairs are not KKK rallies. I see the Yale Herald is blocking all non-Yale IPs from reading their articles now; what a stunning way to take negative publicity and public criticism. + Show Spoiler + On the Yale issue: I worked at Yale out of college and understand the campus and its culture quite well. I have lots of friends at Yale (infact more so than I do from college because I lived with them so long) and I hung out for the most part with minorities mostly because thats who I lived with and its wierd to hang out with college kids once you graduate. (didnt stop them from coming over to my place and eating all my food, but whatever it was fun) From my experience, minorities are treated very well at Yale in general. Students are lavished with stuff regular college kids could only dream of. There are cliques, organizations and groups that are "selective" or "exclusive" but I disagree that there is an issue of systematic racism going on in the school. I also have a friend in Siliman college as a senior right who had some internal things to say that I am not at liberty to share but I can generalize it. There are issues no doubt. But I think what that Professor was trying to express in the email was quite clear and it is because alot of these kids have insecurities, chips on their shoulders and some discontent regarding opportunity (the last of which I do recognize as a valid concern). Perhaps a few words here or there could have been chosen better, but at best it is semantic hiccups. Yale kids are not racist douchebags, they have their fair share of them, just like any other school but its not a chronic issue and it has consistently become less of one. The problem is that there is no longer room for any uncomfortable learning or discussion and the political landscape and climate regarding the race issues over the last year has made minority students more sensitive then perhaps they should be. But thats just my view. I had a friend who was a senior operator at the admissions office from Sri Lanka. Dont know where else they let that happen and thats just one example. I think the master handled that really well and that girl was totally out of line, that having been said there is alot of maturing that goes into this so I can forgive her for being upset. But people like her need to reflect on what are serious issues worth contesting and what are not. This was not one of them. To be fair its a result of the fact that there have been instances of black face and the like very recently and the administration has dragged their feet on it and they need to be accountable for their inaction on other more pressing issues. This reaction just seems like the pent up frustration blowing over on a softer target. But maybe thats whats needed to focus on these things. Its similar to people not wanting Trump on TV. Yes there are certain inexcusable ways to cross the line, be xenophobic and racist. I have experienced them, been called an 'A rab' all that fun stuff. It has never bothered me because I can chalk it down to ignorance. It doesnt mean its ok because I, personally am apathetic but its come to a point where similar to anything you say against Israel's activity becomes "anti semitism'. Heck I dressed up as a Rhasta this halloween, because I think they are cool. There seems to be no visible line in the sand for this and there wont be unless there is open minded debate on both ends. Also the debate fact checks are up for anyone interested. Google is your friend. Its hilarious stuff. | ||
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Grettin
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On November 11 2015 15:00 Grettin wrote: Anyone have the full VoD for the debate? Thanks, again :-) Youtube will have them up for a bit from personal uploads until it gets blocked so Id check that quickly. edit: here | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10989 Posts
On November 11 2015 13:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I think this status sums up my position on the issue: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/nBkwBjJ.jpg) I think this is the dumbest thing i ever read on that topic. They should visit Fasnacht/Carneval in Europe... They would get "triggered shitless". | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On November 11 2015 18:34 Velr wrote: I think this is the dumbest thing i ever read on that topic. They should visit Fasnacht/Carneval in Europe... They would get "triggered shitless". What does Fasnacht have to do with this exactly ? | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10989 Posts
Going as some sheik or african "Mama" in the most stereotypical way is pretty common and no one cares. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46687 Posts
On November 11 2015 15:13 Rebs wrote: Youtube will have them up for a bit from personal uploads until it gets blocked so Id check that quickly. edit: here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4bwzb3U4zM Unfortunately it says that this video was removed  | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46687 Posts
On November 11 2015 18:34 Velr wrote: I think this is the dumbest thing i ever read on that topic. They should visit Fasnacht/Carneval in Europe... They would get "triggered shitless". Can you please elaborate a bit more than just "That's dumb because Fasnacht"? Especially since Fasnacht isn't American (to my knowledge... you said it's European), and we're considering American history and historical bigotry in America when making decisions on what's appropriate and not appropriate to do or say. I'm not sure how much Fasnacht is like Halloween, but I think it's definitely in America's best interest to be tactful and sensitive in specific ways, especially due to our systemic issues with violence and prejudice. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46687 Posts
On November 11 2015 19:19 Velr wrote: Uhm, the costumes? Going as some sheik or african "Mama" in the most stereotypical way is pretty common and no one cares. Can't you dress in traditional African garb without putting on blackface? Surely you can dress as a sheik without painting your skin. Or even better... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/i76Ywhi.png) | ||
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m4ini
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On November 11 2015 21:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Can you please elaborate a bit more than just "That's dumb because Fasnacht"? Especially since Fasnacht isn't American (to my knowledge... you said it's European), and we're considering American history and historical bigotry in America when making decisions on what's appropriate and not appropriate to do or say. I'm not sure how much Fasnacht is like Halloween, but I think it's definitely in America's best interest to be tactful and sensitive in specific ways, especially due to our systemic issues with violence and prejudice. He's pretty off with that remark. First, Fastnacht only means carnival. It's not european, Brazil etc has it too - just looks alot different. It describes the season before the christian lent. And you're right: it's alot different for you guys to have your face painted black because of your history with them. Talking about germany, people would be extremely offended if you were to dress as a jew. Or even worse, like prince harry, a nazi (in fact: police would arrest you). There's some things that just don't fly, and it's all based on a countries history. So his comparison to Fastnacht (with a T) was pointless right from the get go. edit: unrelated, german news report that trump didn't actually understand what TPP is (or rather, who is involved) - is that true or misstated? | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 11 2015 22:51 farvacola wrote: Honestly, I think it can be reasonably argued that few, if any, American politicians understand what TPP is or what it portends. So yeah, I think it's fair to say that Trump very likely has no idea what TPP is or who it involves Nah, that's not really the issue. As a whole, i don't think anyone really understands what TPP is, and wouldn't be expected to be either. But assuming that the TPP is easy for "the chinese" to abuse, is.. Well.. You know. Very trumpish. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
this is not to say the tpp is perfect. the copyright regime is pretty retarded | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On November 11 2015 23:19 oneofthem wrote: some people who are against tpp and the like would really like to return to the world before the WTO etc. but that's never going to happen so they are essentially spitting in the face of an improvement for want of an unobtainable alternative. this is not to say the tpp is perfect. the copyright regime is pretty retarded People who don't understand that those kind of trade agreement have nothing to do with trading are amazing. The WTO is basically sleeping since some years now because what they have made for (which is lessening protectionnism) has already succeed - what's the average tariff right now ? 2 % ? On November 11 2015 19:19 Velr wrote: Uhm, the costumes? Going as some sheik or african "Mama" in the most stereotypical way is pretty common and no one cares. And that is racist but we accept it because we don't have the same history of racial tension as the US. Dress as a caricature of a jew and see the response. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46687 Posts
On November 11 2015 22:44 m4ini wrote: He's pretty off with that remark. First, Fastnacht only means carnival. It's not european, Brazil etc has it too - just looks alot different. It describes the season before the christian lent. And you're right: it's alot different for you guys to have your face painted black because of your history with them. Talking about germany, people would be extremely offended if you were to dress as a jew. Or even worse, like prince harry, a nazi (in fact: police would arrest you). There's some things that just don't fly, and it's all based on a countries history. So his comparison to Fastnacht (with a T) was pointless right from the get go. edit: unrelated, german news report that trump didn't actually understand what TPP is (or rather, who is involved) - is that true or misstated? Okay, thanks for the clarification Apparently, brevity is sometimes not the soul of wit haha. And yeah, Trump went on a tirade about China's involvement with the TPP, before Paul corrected him: http://theweek.com/speedreads/588181/rand-paul-embarrassed-donald-trump-over-china-tpp-during-gop-debate | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On November 11 2015 23:48 heliusx wrote: Why's it not wrong to dress like a man or white person? The question is, why nobody dress as a man or a white person ? Reason : because it's not funny, because the dominant does not have any ridicule caracteristic attached to his persona. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
With almost a year left until Election Day 2016, a slew of proposals to legalize marijuana are already being floated in California, ushering in a referendum not just on whether to legalize pot in the world’s eighth largest economy, but how. “A lot of money is going to be spent and it’s going to be a big show,” said Hezekiah Allen, head of the statewide California Growers Association, a cannabis advocacy group, of the dueling plans. “We’ll see how it goes. It’s a long time until election day.” Eighteen proposed initiatives for legalizing cannabis had been submitted to the California attorney general’s office as of early November. Nine of those have been issued titles and summaries, allowing them to begin collecting signatures to qualify for next fall’s election. The most high-profile of the proposed initiatives is backed by Silicon Valley titan Sean Parker, founder of Napster and an early investor in Facebook. That measure, called the Adult Use of Marijuana Act, is considered the front-runner largely because of Parker’s rumored financial backing – although the plan has not yet been cleared by the attorney general and no formal campaign has been organized around it, according to spokesman Jason Kinney. The California initiative process, which allows laws to be made directly by voters, would not limit how many marijuana legalization plans are put on the ballot. Each just needs to collect a required number of signatures based on the number of voters in the last gubernatorial election. This cycle, that means gathering 365,880 supporters in a 180-day time limit – requiring a costly battalion of clipboard-wielding workers, something most of the efforts other than the Adult Use Act likely lack. A majority of votes is required to win passage, but with several competing ballot measures, the one ballot measure with the highest majority would be the ultimate winner. For example, if the Adult Act won 51% approval and a competing measure won 54%, the competing measure would become law. However, multiple measures could split the vote, making all the proposals losers. While all of the proposals currently under consideration in California would permit adults over 21 to buy cannabis in retail outlets, they differ on a host of ancillary issues such as whether to regulate against so-called Big Marijuana by prohibiting one entity from engaging in cultivation, distribution, and sales. Other differences include how much control local municipalities would have to limit the industry and what kinds of on-the-job protections medical marijuana patients would have. Source | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 11 2015 23:49 WhiteDog wrote: The question is, why nobody dress as a man or a white person ? Reason : because it's not funny, because the dominant does not have any ridicule caracteristic attached to his persona. This post is on the mark. The issue at hand is that the consensus as to what is considered racist/offensive is changing and people are resisting that change. It is the same process we when through in the past when my state changed the sign for the major highway to not have an arrow going through a pilgrim’s hat. And people made the same arguments. And with old Loony Toons cartoons that were acceptable in the era which are not ok in any way now. Songs of the South was made by Disney and not see as racist by the general public in the era it was produced. The problem is that as the consensus changes, people don’t communicate well. One side is aggressive to a fault. While the other side is overly concerned with being forced to think about how their actions affect others and their right to express their opinion on the subject without being told it might “has racial problems.” | ||
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