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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 12 2015 00:53 heliusx wrote: No one identifies as a hick, its a word used to paint someone as uneducated simply because they were born in the south. You must not know many southerners. There are plenty that openly refer to themselves as hicks, rednecks, and bubbas. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 12 2015 00:26 heliusx wrote: This is acceptable? Nope, because white people do not get preferential treatment when applying for scholarships. Groups that receive scholarships based on race are not to be used as a costume. On November 12 2015 00:53 heliusx wrote: No one identifies as a hick, its a word used to paint someone as uneducated simply because they were born in the south. 100% false. I actually got in trouble at a family gathering because I was making jokes about king of the hill. My girlfriend's cousin's boyfriend got really offended because he identifies as a redneck. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 12 2015 01:32 heliusx wrote: OK some ignorant people embrace derogatory terms. Everyone happy? I wouldn't really call my brother ignorant, so nope? Maybe the topic is more nuanced that you believe. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 12 2015 01:35 heliusx wrote: Yeah there's nothing ignorant about identifying with a term used to describe an uneducated Southerner, good grief. You know you are talking about a real person, right? Not some avatar in your mind to prove your point. And we grew up in a tiny farm town and he still identifies with that upbringing of working outside and with his hands. And maybe the term doesn’t mean the same thing to him as it does to you. Words do not have singular meanings and context matter. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 12 2015 01:14 Trumpet wrote: that's a lovely, utopian, post-racial view. In america, police killed a black kid for playing with a toy in public, so we still need to be reminded of how race affects our judgments on a subconscious level before we can skip to ignoring race altogether. Even in areas like my own "chocolate" city where the black population isn't a minority in number, we have huge inequality and discrimination problems. This is all true, but how does that relate to the issue of dressing up as a black person? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46243 Posts
On November 12 2015 01:32 heliusx wrote: OK some ignorant people embrace derogatory terms. Everyone happy? I've just never heard anyone call themselves a hick. Redneck? Sure, but not hick. That's not the point though. The point is that a group of people are aware that they are stereotyped as such, so even if they don't want to personally take on the identity (or even if it doesn't truly apply to them), they still know that the stereotyped costume is a jab at them and their perceived identity. That's pretty much exactly what prejudice is. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46243 Posts
On November 12 2015 02:08 heliusx wrote: OK? What exactly do you think my point is? You seem confused. I think you seem confused, because it's not your point; it's my point. I wrote out a long comment regarding that redneck costume, and all you did is write a one-liner response without context (which was obviously dismissed by everyone else already). So it seems you misunderstood the point of my initial comment. It was not all about the semantical terminology of whether a Southerner uses the term hick vs. redneck vs. whatever else to self-identify. That wasn't the point of why I wrote that comment. Here it is again: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-megathread?page=2510#50191 | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46243 Posts
On November 12 2015 02:20 cLutZ wrote: ^^I am certainly confused. Does this have to do with the poop swastika or the professor email? Talking about whether or not a redneck/ hick costume should be considered offensive by anyone: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-megathread?page=2510#50191 | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
As the dust settled over an intense Republican presidential debate in Milwaukee on Tuesday night, the instant verdict of the mainstream media was that the unexpected rise of the political outsider – in particular Donald Trump – had finally began to come unstuck. Commentators noted that it was by far the most substantive debate in the series so far, with the two former governors Jeb Bush and John Kasich, who represent the establishment wing of the party, using the greater focus on detail to present a dramatically contrasting view on immigration to Trump’s vision of building a wall and ejecting 11 million undocumented immigrants. On foreign policy, both Trump and his immediate rival, the neurosurgeon Ben Carson, looked blustery. But that’s not how conservative pundits saw it. In the rarified world of the conservative media, a very different account of the event was being written – one in which Trump sealed his leading status by being unbending on immigration, while Bush and Kasich, far from making a tentative comeback, dug their own presidential graves. Michelle Malkin, a star of the conservative blogosphere, summed up the strident mood on Twitter when she portrayed Kasich and Bush “bending over backwards on behalf of Obama’s illegal ‘Dreamers’”– immigrants who were brought to the US as children. Charles Hurt in the Washington Times went as far as to predict that Bush and Kasich, by opposing Trump’s extreme stance on immigration, had sealed their fate. “Not only does Mr Bush not belong in the White House or the Republican Party, he should just be deported. Perhaps to Mexico, where he might be happier and find greater success in politics,” Hurt wrote, before going on to capture the anger within the Republican base that Trump is harvesting. “These people really have no clue how desperately frustrated and estranged American voters in both parties are over this issue of rampant illegal immigration and Washington’s absolute refusal to take simple, common sense measures to fix the problem.” Glenn Beck, a former Fox News star who went on to found the rightwing radio network and website the Blaze, sounded a similar note. Kasich was the “epic loser” of the night, and as for Bush, he “looked 2001 and desperate. The cheap typical ‘vet sitting next to my wife’ close made me think he was GHWB [his father George Herbert Walker Bush]!” Source | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On November 12 2015 02:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I think you seem confused, because it's not your point; it's my point. I wrote out a long comment regarding that redneck costume, and all you did is write a one-liner response without context (which was obviously dismissed by everyone else already). So it seems you misunderstood the point of my initial comment. It was not all about the semantical terminology of whether a Southerner uses the term hick vs. redneck vs. whatever else to self-identify. That wasn't the point of why I wrote that comment. Here it is again: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-megathread?page=2510#50191 I see but the post you responded to wasn't directed at you so I don't understand why you responded with "that's not the point!". I thought it was pretty clear I was replying to the guys who know people who consider themselves hicks. So yes you are most certainly confused. | ||
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Introvert
United States5013 Posts
At the very best they were average. And Kasich really screwed up some things, and came off like a jerk. | ||
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Trumpet
United States1936 Posts
On November 12 2015 01:54 Mohdoo wrote: This is all true, but how does that relate to the issue of dressing up as a black person? It wasn't directly related, it was in reply to Simberto's desire to get past race as a part of individual identity. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46243 Posts
On November 12 2015 02:30 heliusx wrote: I see but the post you responded to wasn't directed at you so I don't understand why you responded with "that's not the point!". I thought it was pretty clear I was replying to the guys who know people who consider themselves hicks. So yes you are most certainly confused. I said that I don't identify as a hick, then you said that no one identifies as a hick. And then a bunch of people replied to your statement, telling you that you're wrong. That was the sequence of events... no one before me (at least in the ~10 posts on that page) used the word hick, so based on the fact that you used the same vocabulary as me- "identifying as a hick"- and that you responded nearly right after me, it certainly appeared as if you were responding to me. I guess maybe you quoting someone else would have provided more clarity as to what you were really referring to? Anyways, people can get offended by costumes. lol. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
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