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On_Slaught
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21973 Posts
On November 05 2015 05:36 On_Slaught wrote: If it was ISIS that took down the plane, which is looking more and more likely, then it's a possible game changer in the region. Could be the spark that justifies significantly more involvement on the ground from nations like Russia. Nope, because Putin doesn't really care about the people on the plane and maintaining the unrest is more important. If Russia seriously wanted to chase ISIS out of Syria they could have done so months ago. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On November 05 2015 05:41 Gorsameth wrote: Nope, because Putin doesn't really care about the people on the plane and maintaining the unrest is more important. If Russia seriously wanted to chase ISIS out of Syria they could have done so months ago. Possibly. Or it's just as possible he was looking for an excuse to massively increase the Russian footprint in the all important Middle East, and this is his chance to do so with some legitimacy in the eyes of the world (see US in Afghanistan). It also helps ensure Assad stays in power. I doubt Egypt will take it sitting down either. Pretty huge embarrassment to a new leader (dictator) who is all about "security." Even if they are Sunni. Also, bad timing for the TSA with this. Just this week we heard the new report about massive failures in security within the TSA. Now this about ISIS getting a bomb onto a plane. Won't help make people feel safe. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23493 Posts
Not sure I can believe whatever the story ends up being. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
Economic distress can be hazardous to your health—even fatal—especially if you are a middle-aged white American without a college degree. That’s the disturbing conclusion of a new study by Anne Case and her husband, fellow Princeton economics professor Angus Deaton, who was recently awarded the Nobel Prize in economics. The rise in death rates among middle-aged, non-Hispanic whites since 1999 resembles that of the height of the AIDS epidemic, which claimed 650,000 lives, but has garnered far less attention, they write in a paper published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Moreover, the surge in deaths—owing mainly to poisonings from drugs and alcohol, suicide, traffic accidents and liver disease—may be tied to economic insecurity, especially for those with a high school degree or less, they posit. Exposure to the risk of the stock market in defined-contribution retirement plans may add to that economic insecurity, the professors add. The rise in deaths among American white non-Hispanics aged 45-54 from the late 1990s to 2013 contrasts with the steady declines observed in Canada, Australia, the U.K., France, Germany and Sweden. Moreover, among U.S. whites, death rates from lung cancer, formerly the No. 1 killer, declined while mortality from diabetes was virtually steady despite the increase in that disease owing to rising obesity. And while overall death rates in this age group still are higher for black non-Hispanics than for white non-Hispanics, deaths from “external causes” have risen in the latter group to above that in the former. Death rates for Hispanics are lowest overall and from external causes, the study showed. http://www.barrons.com/articles/rising-death-rate-belies-robust-economy-high-stocks-1446552664 I'm sure there is a better source but I read that in french and just googled to find something similar in english. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 04 2015 20:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I don't find that too useful since we already have meaningful polling on red state/blue state/mixed purple in presidential elections. It's just an interesting factoid that the GOP is nearing control of 2/3 of the nations states, from gains in 2014 midterms and the most recent pickup this month. Any idea how that divides up the electoral college votes if those 32 states vote Republican in the presidential election and the other 18 vote Democrat? The remaining states aren't fully Democrat by subtraction since Alaska elected an Independent. Palin's replacement when she stepped down lost a reelection campaign to a republican-turned-independent in 2014. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On November 05 2015 05:43 On_Slaught wrote: Also, bad timing for the TSA with this. Just this week we heard the new report about massive failures in security within the TSA. Now this about ISIS getting a bomb onto a plane. Won't help make people feel safe. Don't worry, the TSA is always one step ahead. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On November 05 2015 06:25 Danglars wrote: I don't find that too useful since we already have meaningful polling on red state/blue state/mixed purple in presidential elections. It's just an interesting factoid that the GOP is nearing control of 2/3 of the nations states, from gains in 2014 midterms and the most recent pickup this month. The remaining states aren't fully Democrat by subtraction since Alaska elected an Independent. Palin's replacement when she stepped down lost a reelection campaign to a republican-turned-independent in 2014. I don't think that is the interesting tidbit. I think the interesting part of elections yesterday is the fact that turnout for most of these elections was around thirty (30!!!!!!!) percent. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On November 05 2015 05:16 GreenHorizons wrote: So I'm thinking I'll take CNN's reports that officials have a "strong feeling" it was an ISIS bomb that took down that Russian flight with some salt too. welll to be fair my article was actually retracted. personally I don't really trust any of CNN's stuff thats like source, or seems to be not factual. I use it to keep track of things happening and that's about it. may also means may not have considering it seems official and is also reported on msnbc and bbc It looks like its at least something there looking into.l'd wait for a conclusion to be drawn | ||
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m4ini
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On November 05 2015 06:08 GreenHorizons wrote: I don't know, I didn't see anything in any of the pictures that looks like there was an explosion. There were reports that the plane had tail damage earlier and speculation a poor repair would be a sensible explanation. Not sure I can believe whatever the story ends up being. Hm.. I'm not sure actually. It doesn't fit. I mean, the things we know and saw so far. Obviously, i'm only a layman, but a tail ripping off at 31.000 feet, at roughly 470mp/h, should have a quite different trajectory compared to the rest of the plane (they landed less than a mile apart). Then there's the thing that iffs me the most: the plane decelerated from 470mp/h to less than 200mp/h in less than 30 seconds, while losing only 4000 feet.Only to reach less than 120mp/h after losing another 1500. At 28.400 feet, it only had 106mp/h left. The plane, if you look at the drone footage of the main crashsite, basically almost bellyflopped into the ground with little (if any) forward momentum. The loss of speed, and the fact that the plane was pretty much entirely intact apart from the tail when it hit the ground, to me that doesn't make sense. I think the explanation in the end will be surprising. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
It's not settled, but uncertainty shouldnt last. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 05 2015 09:29 Stratos_speAr wrote: Which is why I said "an interesting factoid," not "the interesting tidbit." But, carry on.I don't think that is the interesting tidbit. I think the interesting part of elections yesterday is the fact that turnout for most of these elections was around thirty (30!!!!!!!) percent. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23493 Posts
On November 05 2015 12:04 m4ini wrote: Hm.. I'm not sure actually. It doesn't fit. I mean, the things we know and saw so far. Obviously, i'm only a layman, but a tail ripping off at 31.000 feet, at roughly 470mp/h, should have a quite different trajectory compared to the rest of the plane (they landed less than a mile apart). Then there's the thing that iffs me the most: the plane decelerated from 470mp/h to less than 200mp/h in less than 30 seconds, while losing only 4000 feet.Only to reach less than 120mp/h after losing another 1500. At 28.400 feet, it only had 106mp/h left. The plane, if you look at the drone footage of the main crashsite, basically almost bellyflopped into the ground with little (if any) forward momentum. The loss of speed, and the fact that the plane was pretty much entirely intact apart from the tail when it hit the ground, to me that doesn't make sense. I think the explanation in the end will be surprising. We sure about that tail distance, Where did you see "less than a mile apart"? State broadcaster Russia 24 reported that the aircraft's tail was found about 5 kilometers (3 miles) away from the rest of the plane wreckage. It did not show any signs of burning from a fire, the state broadcaster said. I know lol Like I said, considering who's involved and what each party stands to gain or lose depending on what the final story is I won't fully trust whatever story comes out anyway. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On November 05 2015 15:17 GreenHorizons wrote: We sure about that tail distance, Where did you see "less than a mile apart"? I know lol Like I said, considering who's involved and what each party stands to gain or lose depending on what the final story is I won't fully trust whatever story comes out anyway. Can't find it again now, was some news source which showed both satellite images of the crash sites. But you're right, while i was searching just now for those, three miles were cited often. Which still is incredibly close considering that the plane allegedly broke apart at 31.000 feet. I'll judge if i believe the result in the end depending on what they're saying. It might be that the infos we have at the moment are inaccurate, and miss how certain things are possible because of that - but for now, i'm very sceptic about the official "explanations". Still trying to figure out how the plane lost basically all forward momentum so quick without breaking apart, and without having a tail. | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
On November 05 2015 09:29 Stratos_speAr wrote: I don't think that is the interesting tidbit. I think the interesting part of elections yesterday is the fact that turnout for most of these elections was around thirty (30!!!!!!!) percent. I dunno if districts like mine were included in that tabulation cause that might help explain things. In NC there weren't any statewide issues so the only thing I got to vote for was village council and village mayor. I think the winners in the council got ~800 votes and our village has a population of around 20k. | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
On November 05 2015 05:07 ticklishmusic wrote: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/jimmy-carter-putin-isis-russia/411991/ Jimmy Carter trolling the Russians I love Jimmy Carter. Happy to see him still kicking! | ||
KwarK
United States43296 Posts
Carson is reminding us that surgeons are basically just mechanics for people. Hell, barbers used to do it. His evidence is that the Bible says that Joseph stored all the grain in Egypt. For this to have been true there would need to have been giant grain storage structures in Egypt. Such structures probably would have survived. And yet we don't see giant grain silos in Egypt. This means that the Bible must be wrong about Joseph storing all the grain. But the Bible cannot be wrong. So what do we see in Egypt? Pyramids! Therefore pyramids must be giant grain storage structures. Honestly we're lucky there were pyramids. Otherwise it could have been crocodiles or tourist trinklets that found themselves being rebranded as grain storage. He picked the least crazy solution to "How can I alter reality to make it better conform to my favourite book?" He goes on to explain how science believes that pyramids were built by aliens but you wouldn't need aliens if God helped build them. | ||
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farvacola
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corumjhaelen
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oneofthem
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