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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-04 02:36:30
November 04 2015 02:25 GMT
#49621
Republicans now govern 32 states, 64%, if memory serves.

In other news, Houston is expected to repeal a LGBT-favored equal rights law.

Early voting results show Houston's equal rights ordinance failing by a wide margin, with 62.5 percent of voters opting to repeal the law and 37.5 percent supporting the embattled ordinance [...]

City Council passed the law 11-6 in May last year, but conservative foes launched an effort to force a repeal referendum that spanned more than one year of legal challenges. In July, the Texas Supreme Court ordered the city to either repeal the law or place in the ballot. By a 12-5 vote, City Council opted for the latter, officially unleashing two dueling campaigns.
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
November 04 2015 02:31 GMT
#49622
On November 04 2015 11:25 Danglars wrote:
Republicans now govern 32 states, 64%, if memory serves.


And what was it before?
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-04 04:13:50
November 04 2015 04:08 GMT
#49623


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writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-04 04:19:21
November 04 2015 04:17 GMT
#49624
nevermind
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
November 04 2015 05:18 GMT
#49625
I'd drink a wine with Jeb.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43582 Posts
November 04 2015 06:28 GMT
#49626
I quite liked Jeb after watching that. I mean obviously I disagree with his ideology and everything he stands for but he seemed like a pretty reasonable and friendly guy. I too would drink wine with him. I just wouldn't vote for him. If I had a vote.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-04 07:19:36
November 04 2015 07:06 GMT
#49627
so Colorado voted to use the money from marijuana for tax refunds. not sure how I feel about that. I mean obviously they have to right to vote about how the money is used but the idea that their using legalized marijuana just to make themselves richer doesn't sit great with me. The money might go back into the economy but I'm not sure that will do that much, I'd feel better if the money was directly going to something. I'd post the link but the link on cnn is broken and takes me to a completely unrelated page.

seems a little weird to argue something is a revenue source then spend it on refunds
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45279 Posts
November 04 2015 11:18 GMT
#49628
On November 04 2015 11:25 Danglars wrote:
Republicans now govern 32 states, 64%, if memory serves.


Any idea how that divides up the electoral college votes if those 32 states vote Republican in the presidential election and the other 18 vote Democrat?
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45279 Posts
November 04 2015 11:24 GMT
#49629
"I need to work on debating... or performing or whatever it's called."
Great comment there by Jeb haha

I agree with IgnE and KwarK about having a drink with Jeb.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 04 2015 14:20 GMT
#49630
On November 04 2015 20:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2015 11:25 Danglars wrote:
Republicans now govern 32 states, 64%, if memory serves.


Any idea how that divides up the electoral college votes if those 32 states vote Republican in the presidential election and the other 18 vote Democrat?

I would point out that one of those states is Massachusetts if he is using governors as a metric. But we are not really "governed" by Republicans.
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JumboJohnson
Profile Joined December 2011
537 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-04 14:46:01
November 04 2015 14:44 GMT
#49631
On November 04 2015 16:06 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
so Colorado voted to use the money from marijuana for tax refunds. not sure how I feel about that. I mean obviously they have to right to vote about how the money is used but the idea that their using legalized marijuana just to make themselves richer doesn't sit great with me. The money might go back into the economy but I'm not sure that will do that much, I'd feel better if the money was directly going to something. I'd post the link but the link on cnn is broken and takes me to a completely unrelated page.

seems a little weird to argue something is a revenue source then spend it on refunds


Colorado has a weird law called the Tax Payer Bill of Rights (TABOR) so if the state collects a certain amount of taxes more than the previous year they have to give it back or put it to a vote. And honestly who wouldn't vote to get paid?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 04 2015 15:34 GMT
#49632
Hillary Clinton is attempting to make gun control and reducing gun violence a key part of her presidential campaign, as a once politically sensitive campaign issue moves front and center in the wake of the Charleston church massacre in June.

“Thirty-three thousand people a year die from something,” the Democratic frontrunner said at a campaign event at Grinnell College in Iowa on Tuesday night. “Shame on us if we don’t respond.”

The frequency and force with which she and the other Democratic presidential candidates discuss gun control marks an evolution on an issue that was once a near-taboo for Democrats on the campaign trail. Since a 21-year-old white supremacist killed nine black churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina, in June, Clinton has wrapped toughening the nation’s gun laws into her standard stump speech.

It also marks a rare policy on which Clinton is to the left of Vermont senator Bernie Sanders, who is closely chasing the frontrunner in Iowa and New Hampshire.

During an earlier campaign event in Coralville, Iowa, Clinton vowed to challenge the powerful US gun lobby, the National Rifle Association (NRA), and pledged to make gun control a “voting issue” that motivates Democrats in the same way gun rights motivates Republicans to vote.


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ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
November 04 2015 16:21 GMT
#49633
On November 04 2015 16:06 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
so Colorado voted to use the money from marijuana for tax refunds. not sure how I feel about that. I mean obviously they have to right to vote about how the money is used but the idea that their using legalized marijuana just to make themselves richer doesn't sit great with me. The money might go back into the economy but I'm not sure that will do that much, I'd feel better if the money was directly going to something. I'd post the link but the link on cnn is broken and takes me to a completely unrelated page.

seems a little weird to argue something is a revenue source then spend it on refunds


It is a one time vote to disburse the money because it is a new tax and that is how TABOR works in the Colorado constitution.

Why does this not sit well with you? Legalized marijuana is a business, and people will be in it to make money. The fact that they are dividing up the refund between all taxpayers, growers, and customers is an interesting wrinkle that I don't 100 percent agree with, but this is the way the law works in Colorado. Next year, and in all subsequent years, the money will be used for regulation of the industry with the remainder provided for schools.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 04 2015 16:31 GMT
#49634
On November 04 2015 16:06 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
so Colorado voted to use the money from marijuana for tax refunds. not sure how I feel about that. I mean obviously they have to right to vote about how the money is used but the idea that their using legalized marijuana just to make themselves richer doesn't sit great with me. The money might go back into the economy but I'm not sure that will do that much, I'd feel better if the money was directly going to something. I'd post the link but the link on cnn is broken and takes me to a completely unrelated page.

seems a little weird to argue something is a revenue source then spend it on refunds

The alternative to spending it was to refund the money to tax payers. The problem with that solution, however, is that most of the money would be refunded directly to the MJ industry. Taxpayers wouldn't see much.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43582 Posts
November 04 2015 16:46 GMT
#49635
If you believe that marijuana is a general social evil, but also that it's one we cannot prevent and must learn to live with, then taking money from the users through taxation and redistributing it evenly to the population at large seems an incredibly practical solution. Kind of like if alcohol tax money was divided between relationship counselling services, domestic abuse services, emergency room funds, cancer funds, addiction treatment services, road safety services and the population at large. Now I think about it that'd be a good way to handle sin taxes. And all the lottery money could go to food banks and courses teaching basic maths.
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7230 Posts
November 04 2015 19:39 GMT
#49636
It seems that in Colorado ~60% of the tax goes to funding education, which should probably be based on taxes from the general fund instead of regressive sin taxes though. Also are we sure Colorado voters voted for a refund? I read an article on cnnmoney and the Denver Post that said they voted against the tax refund (yes on prop BB to allow the state to spend the marijuana money).
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23643 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-04 20:15:02
November 04 2015 19:49 GMT
#49637
On November 05 2015 01:31 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2015 16:06 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
so Colorado voted to use the money from marijuana for tax refunds. not sure how I feel about that. I mean obviously they have to right to vote about how the money is used but the idea that their using legalized marijuana just to make themselves richer doesn't sit great with me. The money might go back into the economy but I'm not sure that will do that much, I'd feel better if the money was directly going to something. I'd post the link but the link on cnn is broken and takes me to a completely unrelated page.

seems a little weird to argue something is a revenue source then spend it on refunds

The alternative to spending it was to refund the money to tax payers. The problem with that solution, however, is that most of the money would be refunded directly to the MJ industry. Taxpayers wouldn't see much.


Isn't that the essence of republican economics? Cut the taxes on the "job creators" and the savings would trickle down to the common folk. Every tax plan I've seen from republicans suggests that the lions share of the savings should go to people like the cannabis industry folks would of gotten in this case.

Why with cannabis is that suddenly a problem? (although 23 Republicans remained consistent on their tax position).

Anyway, they didn't do the refund.

Colorado voters Tuesday overwhelmingly approved a statewide ballot measure that gives state lawmakers permission, once again, to spend $66.1 million in taxes collected from the sale of recreational marijuana.

The outcome came as no surprise given its bipartisan backing, and election returns as of 9:40 p.m. showed Proposition BB receiving about 69 percent support, well above the majority-vote threshold, according to returns from counties.

The secretary of state website incorrectly reported the first returns — getting the results backward, officials confirmed.

The measure sends the first $40 million to school construction and $12 million designated for youth and substance-abuse programs. The remaining $14.1 million goes to discretionary accounts controlled by lawmakers.

The ballot question was the third time in four years that voters considered how to spend pot taxes, after approving Amendment 64 in 2012 to legalize marijuana and Proposition AA in 2013 to levy sales and excises taxes. In both prior ballot questions, voters sanctioned sending $40 million toward school construction.

"These election results shouldn't surprise anyone," said Sen. Pat Steadman, the Denver Democrat who authored the measure. "Voters have twice indicated they wanted marijuana to be taxed, and the vote just reaffirms that for a third time."

Tuesday's vote became necessary after fiscal analysts underestimated how much revenue the state would collect without the new tax in the fiscal year ending June 30, 2015.

The projection is required in the tax's first year by the Taxpayer's Bill of Rights, and the mistake mandated a refund unless lawmakers won voter approval to spend it.

If the measure failed, taxpayers would have received a $25 million rebate — ranging from $6 to $16 per person, depending on income level — and another $41 million would return to marijuana growers and recreational users through tax breaks.


The question generated little attention in the off-year election, reflecting the limited controversy on the measure in the General Assembly earlier this year. Only 23 of 100 lawmakers voted against the bill, all Republicans.


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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-04 19:57:15
November 04 2015 19:52 GMT
#49638
On November 05 2015 04:39 NovaTheFeared wrote:
It seems that in Colorado ~60% of the tax goes to funding education, which should probably be based on taxes from the general fund instead of regressive sin taxes though. Also are we sure Colorado voters voted for a refund? I read an article on cnnmoney and the Denver Post that said they voted against the tax refund (yes on prop BB to allow the state to spend the marijuana money).


I saw something saying they were voting whether to fund schools or get the refund and saw a thing on cnn that said they got it, although cnn might have pulled it because the projections changed since the link didnt work too well.

and from a philosophical standpoint I get it and realize they have a right to vote for a refund I just feel a little hesitant about it. I don't know much about Colorado law though and if this is just a one year thing its not the biggest deal in the world.

okay that makes sense why the article on cnn didn't work lol, they took it down when they realised the results were wrong.


and I guess it makes sense that surplus funds should be voted on by voters. So I agree with that part.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 04 2015 20:07 GMT
#49639
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/jimmy-carter-putin-isis-russia/411991/

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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23643 Posts
November 04 2015 20:16 GMT
#49640
On November 05 2015 04:52 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 04:39 NovaTheFeared wrote:
It seems that in Colorado ~60% of the tax goes to funding education, which should probably be based on taxes from the general fund instead of regressive sin taxes though. Also are we sure Colorado voters voted for a refund? I read an article on cnnmoney and the Denver Post that said they voted against the tax refund (yes on prop BB to allow the state to spend the marijuana money).


I saw something saying they were voting whether to fund schools or get the refund and saw a thing on cnn that said they got it, although cnn might have pulled it because the projections changed since the link didnt work too well.

and from a philosophical standpoint I get it and realize they have a right to vote for a refund I just feel a little hesitant about it. I don't know much about Colorado law though and if this is just a one year thing its not the biggest deal in the world.

okay that makes sense why the article on cnn didn't work lol, they took it down when they realised the results were wrong.


and I guess it makes sense that surplus funds should be voted on by voters. So I agree with that part.


So I'm thinking I'll take CNN's reports that officials have a "strong feeling" it was an ISIS bomb that took down that Russian flight with some salt too.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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