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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44368 Posts
On October 30 2015 00:56 notesfromunderground wrote: I suspect that Fiorina was no better or worse CEO than any other idiot who has that job I feel like we can pretty much objectively say she was worse than the other CEOs, because the other CEOs still have a job and a company. She doesn't. She lost hers. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 30 2015 00:56 notesfromunderground wrote: Fiorina and Trump are the only ones that when they talk, you know it is them talking. They can form English sentences independently. I don't think the "CEO of America" analogy makes any more sense than the "Household budget of America" analogy. I suspect that Fiorina was no better or worse CEO than any other idiot who has that job Cruz is probably the smartest of the bunch. Studies have shown that he speaks at the highest level of the candidates. I also think you're shortchanging Carson. From what I've seen of him, he's remarkably thoughtful. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
On October 30 2015 00:52 corumjhaelen wrote: Smart my ass, always the same thing when I try ro cririxize a politician or a ceo... There's a classic Adam Smith quote about the tendency to worship the rich and the powerful... I don't worship anyone, we might just have different definitions of the word 'smart'. I didn't say they were genius, or brilliant, or any other superlative of smart. There's simply no way that you make it through six years or so of high school biology, and another six years or so studying medicine at a prestiguous American university and still be ignorant enough to call climate change or evolution a hoax. There's just no way people like Carsons are genuine, they just have calculated that it's politically expedient to playact. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44368 Posts
On October 30 2015 01:00 xDaunt wrote: Cruz is probably the smartest of the bunch. Studies have shown that he speaks at the highest level of the candidates. I also think you're shortchanging Carson. From what I've seen of him, he's remarkably thoughtful. Agreed. This is the third debate and he's still stoned. He's thinking a lot, even if what he's saying is completely unintelligible. Maybe he campaigned in Colorado recently? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 30 2015 01:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Agreed. This is the third debate and he's still stoned. He's thinking a lot, even if what he's saying is completely unintelligible. Maybe he campaigned in Colorado recently? Don't confuse Carson's refusal to speak in 5-second political soundbites with stupidity. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21701 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 30 2015 01:05 Plansix wrote: Speaking at the highest level among this group isn't really that impressive when you are applying to be president. And speaking at a high level doesn't make him smart in any way. Fine, then just look at Cruz's background. He's undeniably smart, regardless of what you think of his policies. Some of you need to put your political hackery aside for just a few minutes. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On October 30 2015 01:06 xDaunt wrote: Don't confuse Carson's refusal to speak in 5-second political soundbites with stupidity. how about his support of the gold standard or whatever fairy tale he believes in | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 30 2015 01:07 Gorsameth wrote: Plus you can speak thoughtful or on a high level (Carson and Cruz) but when they are talking horseshit it isn't a useful metric. Cruz, the guy who can’t even get his own party to like him. Let’s elect him to the highest office and have him lead relations with other sovereign nations. Should work out fine. | ||
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farvacola
United States18828 Posts
On October 30 2015 01:06 xDaunt wrote: Don't confuse Carson's refusal to speak in 5-second political soundbites with stupidity. And why should they? There's plenty of other times in which Carson willingly took part in 5-second political soundbites that indicate his stupidity. | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 30 2015 01:07 xDaunt wrote: Fine, then just look at Cruz's background. He's undeniably smart, regardless of what you think of his policies. Some of you need to put your political hackery aside for just a few minutes. The fact that he is loathed by the very people he is supposed to be working with gives tells me all I need to know. His tax plan is garbage and isn’t based in reality, just like every one of these “flat tax” plans that the Republicans march out at election time. Really, his biggest accomplishment is him shutting down the government and fucking over his own party. He may test well, but when it comes to being grown up in congress and getting shit done, he is an abject failure. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On October 30 2015 01:07 xDaunt wrote: Fine, then just look at Cruz's background. He's undeniably smart, regardless of what you think of his policies. Some of you need to put your political hackery aside for just a few minutes. Perhaps part of the issue is you using the word "smart". How are you defining smart? Intelligence? Raw IQ? Problem solving? I think he commits himself too strongly to certain ideas and does not allow for flexibility where flexibility is necessary. He still maintains that climate change is made up. That is just so, so, so far removed from reality. Climate change denial is a much bigger deal than you are giving it credit for. | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders announced his support Wednesday for removing marijuana from a list of the most dangerous drugs outlawed by the federal government — a move that would free states to legalize it without impediments from Washington. The self-described “democratic socialist” senator from Vermont shared his proposal during a nearly two-hour town hall meeting with college students that he said was broadcast on the Internet to about 300 campuses across the country from George Mason University in Fairfax County, Va. “Too many Americans have seen their lives destroyed because they have criminal records as a result of marijuana use,” Sanders told a live audience of more than 1,700 students, which erupted with applause. “That’s wrong. That has got to change.” No other presidential candidate has called for marijuana to be completely removed from the schedule of controlled substances regulated by the Drug Enforcement Administration. Source | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 30 2015 01:13 Mohdoo wrote: Perhaps part of the issue is you using the word "smart". How are you defining smart? Intelligence? Raw IQ? Problem solving? I think he commits himself too strongly to certain ideas and does not allow for flexibility where flexibility is necessary. He still maintains that climate change is made up. That is just so, so, so far removed from reality. Climate change denial is a much bigger deal than you are giving it credit for. Part of Cruz's appeal is his steadfast adherence to conservative principles. You can basically use Cruz as a reference point for the true north of conservatism, which is something that you can't say about any of the other candidates. And this is why I expect him to rise in the polls (which isn't to say that he's my preferred candidate). You liberals may see Cruz as Attila the Hun and a conservative demagogue of the highest order (and you're not necessarily wrong), but to the republican, conservative base, he's a hero. And because of Cruz's clashes with the republican establishment, he's also able to play the apparently-all-too-important "I'm an outsider" card. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Also, I don't think may independents see Cruz as anything more than a man pandering to his base. | ||
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