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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 29 2015 15:17 GMT
#49141
On October 30 2015 00:09 oneofthem wrote:
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On October 29 2015 16:53 Cush wrote:
I understand that people dislike Cruz, every politician has lovers/haters. I want to ask why do so many people have a hatred towards him? Can someone who doesn't like him explain this to me? From what I've seen, he looks like a solid contender so far, but I don't know much about his past.

seeing this post makes me realize how much the norm has shifted to make a guy like cruz seem acceptable.

It shows the lack of real leadership in both parties and a lack of statesmanship. I still think one of the root causes with the dysfunction congress today is that they are not in the office 5 days a week and required to work together. Their ability to go home for the majority of the week has really hurt our government in subtle ways.

Of course there are other issues, but congress not being a place of business any more is a growing problem. I really think they need to change the rules in congress to force them to be in the office more, or have a residence in DC.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43565 Posts
October 29 2015 15:17 GMT
#49142
On October 30 2015 00:14 ticklishmusic wrote:
I know Mandarin, though it's gotten a lot worse since I rarely use it. It's mentioned on my resume, but I doubt it got me my job (I got that cuz I'm awesome). We had a prospective investor from HK come visit and obviously they had impeccable English, but they were super excited to see that there was an Asian guy in the room (all our execs are white, I'm an analyst) and talked to me a ton about the company and how I liked working there. We landed a few million dollars just from that.

There's a reason Zuckerburg is learning Mandarin, and it's not just to make his wife happy.

Just so you know, they don't speak Mandarin in HK. They speak Cantonese and English.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 15:28:09
October 29 2015 15:25 GMT
#49143
On October 30 2015 00:17 KwarK wrote:
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On October 30 2015 00:14 ticklishmusic wrote:
I know Mandarin, though it's gotten a lot worse since I rarely use it. It's mentioned on my resume, but I doubt it got me my job (I got that cuz I'm awesome). We had a prospective investor from HK come visit and obviously they had impeccable English, but they were super excited to see that there was an Asian guy in the room (all our execs are white, I'm an analyst) and talked to me a ton about the company and how I liked working there. We landed a few million dollars just from that.

There's a reason Zuckerburg is learning Mandarin, and it's not just to make his wife happy.

Just so you know, they don't speak Mandarin in HK. They speak Cantonese and English.


Nice catch. I actually put Chinese in my original post, then I made the Zuckerberg reference and revised the language in the previous section for some reason and confused myself lol

Actually in retrospect it's actually kinda neat I made that mistake, means I couldn't remember precisely what language I spoke to those guys in so looks like the different languages I speak are kinda all equally implanted in my head. My verbal is pretty decent, it's my reading and writing that are complete ass.

Also rushing comments on minimal sleep
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 29 2015 15:29 GMT
#49144
On October 30 2015 00:17 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 00:09 oneofthem wrote:
On October 29 2015 16:53 Cush wrote:
I understand that people dislike Cruz, every politician has lovers/haters. I want to ask why do so many people have a hatred towards him? Can someone who doesn't like him explain this to me? From what I've seen, he looks like a solid contender so far, but I don't know much about his past.

seeing this post makes me realize how much the norm has shifted to make a guy like cruz seem acceptable.

It shows the lack of real leadership in both parties and a lack of statesmanship. I still think one of the root causes with the dysfunction congress today is that they are not in the office 5 days a week and required to work together. Their ability to go home for the majority of the week has really hurt our government in subtle ways.

Of course there are other issues, but congress not being a place of business any more is a growing problem. I really think they need to change the rules in congress to force them to be in the office more, or have a residence in DC.

it shows utter ignorance to me. most people who like cruz stand to absolutely get rekt by his policies
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
October 29 2015 15:35 GMT
#49145
That's true for all of the GOP seems to me as an outsider.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 29 2015 15:39 GMT
#49146
On October 30 2015 00:29 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 00:17 Plansix wrote:
On October 30 2015 00:09 oneofthem wrote:
On October 29 2015 16:53 Cush wrote:
I understand that people dislike Cruz, every politician has lovers/haters. I want to ask why do so many people have a hatred towards him? Can someone who doesn't like him explain this to me? From what I've seen, he looks like a solid contender so far, but I don't know much about his past.

seeing this post makes me realize how much the norm has shifted to make a guy like cruz seem acceptable.

It shows the lack of real leadership in both parties and a lack of statesmanship. I still think one of the root causes with the dysfunction congress today is that they are not in the office 5 days a week and required to work together. Their ability to go home for the majority of the week has really hurt our government in subtle ways.

Of course there are other issues, but congress not being a place of business any more is a growing problem. I really think they need to change the rules in congress to force them to be in the office more, or have a residence in DC.

it shows utter ignorance to me. most people who like cruz stand to absolutely get rekt by his policies

That is another problem all together, but would be mitigated by congress being functional. The problem right now is that people haven’t’ seen leadership or a functional government in so long, we can’t remember what it looks like. Or how to get back there.
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notesfromunderground
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
188 Posts
October 29 2015 15:47 GMT
#49147
On October 29 2015 17:38 ampson wrote:
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On October 29 2015 15:17 notesfromunderground wrote:
Watching the rerun of this shitshow. If I were an actual republican (instead of an ironic republican for Donald Trump) I would vote for fiorina in a second. She's the only intelligent one


Fiorina is the second worst candidate the Republicans can offer. She's not as good a businessperson, isn't as brash, and doesn't have as much money as Trump. She can't out-woman Hillary. Her ideas on foreign policy are woeful and she looks like she has no idea what she's doing whenever she's asked a question outside of her talking points. I have no idea why people here rate her highly.


Carly Fiorina was the only person on that stage with a brain.
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
October 29 2015 15:49 GMT
#49148
They're all fairly smart, they're just highly dishonest.
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notesfromunderground
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
188 Posts
October 29 2015 15:50 GMT
#49149
They are NOT smart. They're not even good at their jobs (being actors and repeating soundbites as though they know what they mean). In descending order of intelligence, you have Carly Fiorina, Donald Trump, Kasich, and then all the rest of them.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45268 Posts
October 29 2015 15:50 GMT
#49150
On October 30 2015 00:47 notesfromunderground wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2015 17:38 ampson wrote:
On October 29 2015 15:17 notesfromunderground wrote:
Watching the rerun of this shitshow. If I were an actual republican (instead of an ironic republican for Donald Trump) I would vote for fiorina in a second. She's the only intelligent one


Fiorina is the second worst candidate the Republicans can offer. She's not as good a businessperson, isn't as brash, and doesn't have as much money as Trump. She can't out-woman Hillary. Her ideas on foreign policy are woeful and she looks like she has no idea what she's doing whenever she's asked a question outside of her talking points. I have no idea why people here rate her highly.


Carly Fiorina was the only person on that stage with a brain.


I think Rubio outshone Carly big time. Carly was like "Hillary says she's a woman but here's a non sequitur so there!" wut.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
notesfromunderground
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
188 Posts
October 29 2015 15:51 GMT
#49151
Rubio is a moron. That might be an asset to him in the Republican primary, but he's definitely a moron. He's almost as stupid as Ben Carson.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45268 Posts
October 29 2015 15:51 GMT
#49152
On October 30 2015 00:50 notesfromunderground wrote:
They are NOT smart. They're not even good at their jobs (being actors and repeating soundbites as though they know what they mean). In descending order of intelligence, you have Carly Fiorina, Donald Trump, Kasich, and then all the rest of them.


Carly is pretty much the best example of someone who's bad at their job though... lol. Fired after HP was killed (especially compared to its competitors). Dead and buried.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
October 29 2015 15:52 GMT
#49153
Smart my ass, always the same thing when I try ro cririxize a politician or a ceo... There's a classic Adam Smith quote about the tendency to worship the rich and the powerful...
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
notesfromunderground
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
188 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 15:54:40
October 29 2015 15:52 GMT
#49154
That's a stupid hatchet job sort of claim. When she explained that "you don't know what being a CEO is like" that was pretty much the highlight of the debate. She understands how fucked up the system is.

I mean, look, it's not like I like Fiorina. I'm just saying she's the most intelligent one. If it were an election with her vs Clinton I would actually just vote for Carly as the lesser evil (not like voting for Trump where it's a vote to blow things up)
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45268 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 15:55:24
October 29 2015 15:54 GMT
#49155
On October 30 2015 00:51 notesfromunderground wrote:
Rubio is a moron. That might be an asset to him in the Republican primary, but he's definitely a moron. He's almost as stupid as Ben Carson.


What exactly is your metric for stupidity/ being a moron/ intelligence when talking about the candidates? I'll be the first to jump on the "Republican candidates are crappy overall" bandwagon, but I'm curious as to how you're actually justifying a ranking system where Carly is on top. She's not leading in any polls, she was a failed businesswoman, she has no political experience, she doesn't have any particularly interesting plans or propositions... she needs the "Look at my sex! Look at my sex!" slogan even more than Hillary does! What else does she have going for her that the others don't?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
notesfromunderground
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
188 Posts
October 29 2015 15:55 GMT
#49156
Rubio is just an airhead. It's something about the tone of his voice when he talks. I know that doesn't constitute an argument, sorry I can just tell that he's a moron who has been well coached. He's sort of starry-eyed when he talks
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 29 2015 15:55 GMT
#49157
If you're smart and act like a dumb person long enough you become dumb.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45268 Posts
October 29 2015 15:56 GMT
#49158
On October 30 2015 00:52 notesfromunderground wrote:
That's a stupid hatchet job sort of claim. When she explained that "you don't know what being a CEO is like" that was pretty much the highlight of the debate. She understands how fucked up the system is.


All I was thinking when she said that is "If you're going to cry about being a CEO of a business that you screwed up, just imagine trying to be the CEO of a country as fucked up and divided as this one."
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
notesfromunderground
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
188 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 15:57:47
October 29 2015 15:56 GMT
#49159
Fiorina and Trump are the only ones that when they talk, you know it is them talking. They can form English sentences independently.

On October 30 2015 00:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 00:52 notesfromunderground wrote:
That's a stupid hatchet job sort of claim. When she explained that "you don't know what being a CEO is like" that was pretty much the highlight of the debate. She understands how fucked up the system is.


All I was thinking when she said that is "If you're going to cry about being a CEO of a business that you screwed up, just imagine trying to be the CEO of a country as fucked up and divided as this one."


I don't think the "CEO of America" analogy makes any more sense than the "Household budget of America" analogy.

I suspect that Fiorina was no better or worse CEO than any other idiot who has that job
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45268 Posts
October 29 2015 15:59 GMT
#49160
On October 30 2015 00:56 notesfromunderground wrote:
Fiorina and Trump are the only ones that when they talk, you know it is them talking. They can form English sentences independently.


Ehhhhh.....

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-hello-you-people-know-lot-about-trucks-363077

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/donald-trump-talks-like-a-third-grader-121340

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a39031/trump-fourth-grade-level/

http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/10/21/analysis-donald-trump-talks-to-voters-at-a-fourth-grade-level/

That's not what the research says
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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