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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 03 2015 06:16 Gorsameth wrote: Do we really need to link the Onion article again? Really Jeb? No, he straight up said that. Its like the scene from the West Wing "Geee, crime, I just don't know." But its real and he said it on camera. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23221 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17982 Posts
On October 03 2015 07:07 ticklishmusic wrote: Poor Jeb didn't get the charisma gene from Bush Sr it seems No sir not at all Not sure this was a lack of charisma. Between this, and all his other fumbles it really seems like all the brains in the family went to Dubya... so this is a very very sorry state of affairs. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21666 Posts
On October 03 2015 07:07 ticklishmusic wrote: Poor Jeb didn't get the charisma gene from Bush Sr it seems No sir not at all The NRA man that owns him is more to blame then charisma. Oh and the redneck tea party nut-cases who he needs for votes to win the primary. You know, the kind that thinks the Army is going to invade Texas and take their gun! | ||
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
Are these deaths sad? Yes. Would gun control likely help to reduce these deaths? Yes. But does that mean people want to limit their abilities to have/use guns? For a large part, no. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
What happens when a state with a tough voter ID law suddenly makes it much harder for minorities to get driver's licenses? We are about to find out in Alabama. Facing a budget crisis, Alabama has shuttered 31 driver's license offices, many of them in counties with a high proportion of black residents. Coming after the state recently put into effect a tougher voter ID law, the closures will cut off access -- particularly for minorities -- to one of the few types of IDs accepted. According to a tally by AL.com columnist John Archibald, eight of the 10 Alabama counties with the highest percentage of non-white registered voters saw their driver's license offices closed. "Every single county in which blacks make up more than 75 percent of registered voters will see their driver license office closed. Every one," Archibald wrote. Archibald also noted that many of the counties where offices were closed also leaned Democrat. "But maybe it's not racial at all, right? Maybe it's just political. And let's face it, it may not be either." he wrote. "But no matter the intent, the consequence is the same." The voter ID law passed in 2011 -- which tightened previous ID requirements --includes driver's licenses on a very short list of government-issued photo IDs accepted in order to vote in the state. If a resident does not have the proper ID he or she must get two poll officials to vouch for his or her identity. Additionally, residents without photo ID can apply for a free state photo ID. The law was put into effect in 2014. Before Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley (R) signed the voter ID legislation, the ACLU-Alabama said it would have "a disproportionate negative impact on minority voters," noting that 62 percent of black Alabama residents depend on public transport, compared to 34 percent of whites. Source | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Supporters of the Export-Import Bank have secured enough Republican support to bring an extension of the agency's charter to the House floor later this month, according to sources involved in the whipping. More than 30 Republicans have signed on to a discharge petition, which would force a vote on reauthorizing the government-backed credit agency. Republicans expect at least a dozen more supporters. The vast majority of Democrats are expected to sign the discharge petition, a rarely invoked procedural maneuver that sidesteps the committee process. If the numbers hold, there is nothing the GOP leadership could do to stop a vote on an extension. A renewal of the bank's charter would likely come to the floor after Oct. 21, when the discharge petition ripens. Rep. Stephen Fincher (R-Tenn.), a longtime supporter of the bank, is leading the effort. Rep. Steve Stivers (R-Ohio), who is a key figure in the whipping effort, said he believes the bill will "pass soon." "The Ex-ImBank is important for jobs, and it generates a profit for government," Stivers said, adding that the reauthorization bill is backed by 67 senators and almost 300 House members. "Unfortunately, this bill has not yet moved to the Housefloor. I believe it will pass soon." Stivers added that he hopes the bank can be reauthorized without resorting to a discharge petition, "but that provision is in our rules for circumstances just like this." House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) told reporters Thursday that Democrats would back the effort if Republicans can round up enough support. Source | ||
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Alucen-Will-
United States4054 Posts
but the more this happens, the more I really want to participate in more an abstract way. I hate violence, more than anything there is to hate. More than lying, rudeness, sloth, etc etc. Regardless, Jeb Bush's comments are pretty careless from any point of view. Still means he'll win the nomination though, its about money in the current era of super pac's, etc. Not sure if I like his chances against Hillary though | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
The latest Pew poll shows that Jeb Bush has fallen to 4 percent in the Republican field. Donald Trump leads the field with 25 percent; Ben Carson is at 16 percent. Carly Fiorina and Marco Rubio are tied for third at 8 percent of the Republican field. Source | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On October 03 2015 07:22 Chewbacca. wrote: It seems like the point that rarely gets brought is that for the most part people are willing to put up with the deaths of complete strangers in order to keep something that they enjoy. Are these deaths sad? Yes. Would gun control likely help to reduce these deaths? Yes. But does that mean people want to limit their abilities to have/use guns? For a large part, no. But a lot of the legislation they're considering really is common sense stuff, like making sure people who have a troubling psychological profile don't get access to guns (i.e. background checks). I'm pretty sure most conservatives would agree even to that, but the reason politicians are opposed is because they think that its really just a smokescreen for taking away all their guns through some slippery slope. I.e. maybe the background checks will be harshly enforced so that no one can have a gun etc, and then the army will take over and put people in labor camps. So its not even about limiting anyone's abilities to own guns, its just this mindset that the government can't be trusted on anything, which extends well beyond gun control, and into skepticism of any government supported science or environmental concerns. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Though in truth, if the entire country isn't clamoring for an end to pork everywhere, we deserve even the egregious case. It's not like politicians bow to more than focused voter political pressure and money anyways. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 03 2015 12:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: He'll have to spend a shit load of money to dig himself out just for the Primary it seems... Source I don't personally know one republican who wants Jeb. | ||
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RCMDVA
United States708 Posts
On October 03 2015 13:08 radscorpion9 wrote: But a lot of the legislation they're considering really is common sense stuff, like making sure people who have a troubling psychological profile don't get access to guns (i.e. background checks). I'm pretty sure most conservatives would agree even to that. Uh... its already on the ATF form : https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download "Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective (which includes a determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that you are a danger to yourself or to others or are incompetent to manage your own affairs) OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution (See Instructions for Question 11.f" Associated definitions/instructions + Show Spoiler + Question 11.f. Adjudicated Mentally Defective: A determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that a person, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease: (1) is a danger to himself or to others; or (2) lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs. This term shall include: (1) a finding of insanity by a court in a criminal case; and (2) Those persons found incompetent to stand trial or found not guilty by reason of lack of mental responsibility. Committed to a Mental Institution: A formal commitment of a person to a mental institution by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority. The term includes a commitment to a mental institution involuntarily. The term includes commitment for mental defectiveness or mental illness. It also includes commitments for other reasons, such as for drug use. The term does not include a person in a mental institution for observation or a voluntary admission to a mental institution. Please also refer to Question 11.c. for the definition of a prohibited person. EXCEPTION to 11. f. NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007: A person who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution is not prohibited if: (1) the person was adjudicated or committed by a department or agency of the Federal Government, such as the United States Department of Veteran’s Affairs (“VA”) (as opposed to a State court, State board, or other lawful State authority); and (2) either: (a) the person’s adjudication or commitment for mental incompetency was set-aside or expunged by the adjudicating/committing agency; (b) the person has been fully released or discharged from all mandatory treatment, supervision, or monitoring by the agency; or (c) the person was found by the agency to no longer suffer from the mental health condition that served as the basis of the initial adjudication. Persons who fit this exception should answer “no” to Item 11.f. This exception does not apply to any person who was adjudicated to be not guilty by reason of insanity, or based on lack of mental responsibility, or found incompe- tent to stand trial, in any criminal case or under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. What you suggest, in reality winds up sounding more like Minority Report & Precrime when you start tinkering with the question that is on the ATF 4473. If there's a better way to identify people with "troubling psychological profiles" that is common sense then by all means enlighten us. Do you need to get a sign-off by a shrink to get a gun? | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
8982 Posts
How is space exploration going in the EU? America has resigned itself to allowing private companies to foster the rebirth of American space exploration because some don't feel it's worthwhile to spend a 10th of the military budget on science. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11505 Posts
On October 03 2015 16:15 RCMDVA wrote: Uh... its already on the ATF form : https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download "Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective (which includes a determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that you are a danger to yourself or to others or are incompetent to manage your own affairs) OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution (See Instructions for Question 11.f" Associated definitions/instructions + Show Spoiler + Question 11.f. Adjudicated Mentally Defective: A determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that a person, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease: (1) is a danger to himself or to others; or (2) lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs. This term shall include: (1) a finding of insanity by a court in a criminal case; and (2) Those persons found incompetent to stand trial or found not guilty by reason of lack of mental responsibility. Committed to a Mental Institution: A formal commitment of a person to a mental institution by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority. The term includes a commitment to a mental institution involuntarily. The term includes commitment for mental defectiveness or mental illness. It also includes commitments for other reasons, such as for drug use. The term does not include a person in a mental institution for observation or a voluntary admission to a mental institution. Please also refer to Question 11.c. for the definition of a prohibited person. EXCEPTION to 11. f. NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007: A person who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution is not prohibited if: (1) the person was adjudicated or committed by a department or agency of the Federal Government, such as the United States Department of Veteran’s Affairs (“VA”) (as opposed to a State court, State board, or other lawful State authority); and (2) either: (a) the person’s adjudication or commitment for mental incompetency was set-aside or expunged by the adjudicating/committing agency; (b) the person has been fully released or discharged from all mandatory treatment, supervision, or monitoring by the agency; or (c) the person was found by the agency to no longer suffer from the mental health condition that served as the basis of the initial adjudication. Persons who fit this exception should answer “no” to Item 11.f. This exception does not apply to any person who was adjudicated to be not guilty by reason of insanity, or based on lack of mental responsibility, or found incompe- tent to stand trial, in any criminal case or under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. What you suggest, in reality winds up sounding more like Minority Report & Precrime when you start tinkering with the question that is on the ATF 4473. If there's a better way to identify people with "troubling psychological profiles" that is common sense then by all means enlighten us. Do you need to get a sign-off by a shrink to get a gun? Are there any checks to ensure that people don't simply say no, even if the answer is yes? Or is it like one of these "Do you want to murder the president" questions on visa forms? | ||
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RCMDVA
United States708 Posts
You answer the questions on that form (ATF 4473), and the FBI office in West Virginia runs your name against all the databases they have. NICS is located at the FBI’s Criminal Justice Information Services Division in Clarksburg, West Virginia. It provides full service to FFLs in 30 states, five U.S. territories, and the District of Columbia. Upon completion of the required Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Form 4473, FFLs contact the NICS Section via a toll-free telephone number or electronically on the Internet through the NICS E-Check System to request a background check with the descriptive information provided on the ATF Form 4473. And then I think there is still an issue, of just how/what individual states require report NCIS in regards to mental health records. ( https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43040.pdf ) Submission of Mental Health Records to NICS and the HIPAA Privacy Rule | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23221 Posts
On October 03 2015 14:51 xDaunt wrote: I don't personally know one republican who wants Jeb. Yet another thing me and xDaunt have in common. I know dozens of republicans and they are all more likely to nominate Romney rather than Bush. Several individuals have slipped towards Rubio, but there seems to be no ground game for anyone other than Sanders beyond the first few states. | ||
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