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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 03 2015 14:30 GMT
#47361
The United States has been condemned for allegedly launching an airstrike on a Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) hospital in Afghanistan that is believed to have killed more than 20 aid workers.

It is understood the hospital was hit during an aerial bombardment on Kunduz, destroying a large portion of the facility. An MSF source told the Guardian at least 20 members of staff were killed and dozens more people were injured. They said the death toll could rise further.

The charity claimed the GPS coordinates of the hospital had been widely circulated to all parties fighting in the conflict. It also alleged the bombing continued for up to 30 minutes after it raised the alarm with US and Afghan officials.

At the time of the bombing, 105 patients and their carers, and more than 80 MSF international and national staff were in the hospital. At least 37 staff members were wounded in the incident, it said. None of the international doctors volunteering at the facility were hurt.

According to an MSF doctor, the dead included eight nurses, three doctors, six security guards, two cleaners and a pharmacist.


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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
October 03 2015 15:02 GMT
#47362
Despicable.

Don't know what else to say.
On track to MA1950A.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28665 Posts
October 03 2015 15:13 GMT
#47363
There may have been collateral damage.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42655 Posts
October 03 2015 15:30 GMT
#47364
Stuff happens. And you know there is this desire after stuff happens to try and learn from it. But I don't think we should.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-03 16:08:37
October 03 2015 16:07 GMT
#47365
Two weeks after revealing that Volkswagen had cheated on diesel emissions tests, officials from the Environmental Protection Agency still have not formally ordered a recall of 482,000 VW products, but that step is "likely" to take place, according to an EPA spokesperson.

Sources inside Volkswagen, meanwhile, told TheDetroitBureau.com that the automaker is now working with the federal agency to come up with an acceptable fix for diesel models that can produce as much as 40 times the allowed level of pollutants such as smog-causing NOx.

VW has already said it is developing a retrofit for a total of 11 million diesel vehicles sold worldwide that contained a secret "defeat device" designed to reduce emissions levels during testing.

Two weeks after revealing that Volkswagen had cheated on diesel emissions tests, officials from the Environmental Protection Agency still have not formally ordered a recall of 482,000 VW products, but that step is "likely" to take place, according to an EPA spokesperson.

Sources inside Volkswagen, meanwhile, told TheDetroitBureau.com that the automaker is now working with the federal agency to come up with an acceptable fix for diesel models that can produce as much as 40 times the allowed level of pollutants such as smog-causing NOx.

VW has already said it is developing a retrofit for a total of 11 million diesel vehicles sold worldwide that contained a secret "defeat device" designed to reduce emissions levels during testing.

VW's problems have continued to escalate in recent days, and even as prosecutors in both the U.S. and Germany look into the scandal, the automaker's top U.S. executive has been summoned to Capitol Hill, where he will testify before a congressional oversight panel on Oct. 8.

"The American people want to know why these devices were in place, how the decision was made to install them, and how they went undetected for so long. We will get them those answers," said Rep. Tim Murphy, the Pennsylvania Republican who serves as chairman of the Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations.

The hearing will come less than a month after the EPA announced that Volkswagen had secretly added software code to its digital engine controllers designed to rein in emissions during testing. But in the real world, the nearly half-million diesel vehicles sold in the U.S. over the last seven years were allowed to produce significantly higher levels of pollution than allowed by federal standards.


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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 03 2015 16:14 GMT
#47366
There's a fivethirtyeight article discussing Trump's poll and favorability numbers since the debate. It definitely does not look like he was a winner in any sense of the word. The charts are probably the coolest part.
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-03 16:43:18
October 03 2015 16:43 GMT
#47367
wrong thread sorry
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 03 2015 16:52 GMT
#47368
WASHINGTON -- The Senate may pass bipartisan environmental legislation as soon as next week, and it's kind of a big deal.

Sens. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) and Ed Markey (D-Mass.) on Friday announced support for a bill overhauling the country's decades-old chemical safety law, bringing the number of co-sponsors to 60.

The bill would reform the 1976 Toxic Substances Control Act, which has been widely panned as outdated and ineffective at protecting the public from hazardous chemicals. It would give the Environmental Protection Agency more authority to test and regulate chemicals, and to identify risky chemicals that should not be on the market. A Senate committee approved the legislation in April.

Sens. Tom Udall (D-N.M.) and David Vitter (R-La.) have taken the lead on the reform bill, and agreed to additional changes to accommodate the concerns of Markey and Durbin. The changes include increased funding from industry fees, which will pay for additional EPA testing, as well as faster compliance timelines for regulations. The senators said the changes are also meant to make it easier for states to move forward on their own regulations if the EPA has not issued a determination on a chemical's safety.

Markey said in a statement that the changes represent "positive and meaningful progress."

The Senate legislation has caused some tensions among environmental groups over whether the proposed changes to the law go far enough. Elizabeth Thompson, president of Environmental Defense Fund Action, said the additional changes have "further strengthened" the bill and put it closer to passing Congress. "Today we are even closer to a new law that can finally protect public health and the environment from harmful chemicals," Thompson said in a statement.

Representatives from the Environmental Defense Fund, the National Wildlife Federation, March of Dimes, and Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine are slated to appear with senators at a press conference in support of the bill on Tuesday.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-03 18:27:51
October 03 2015 18:27 GMT
#47369
A US airstrike that killed up to 20 aid workers and patients in a Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) hospital in Afghanistan constitutes a “grave violation of international law”, the charity’s president has said.

The bombardment, which occurred early on Saturday morning, went on for more than 30 minutes despite the charity raising the alarm with US and Afghan officials, and destroyed much of the compound in Kunduz.

The hospital had treated hundreds of people injured after the northern city fell to a dramatic Taliban attack last week, and when government troops launched an assault to reclaim it. Beds and corridors were still crammed with patients and their relatives when it was hit in the early hours of Saturday morning.

On Saturday evening, the dead included at least 12 members of staff and seven patients – three of whom where children. An MSF source told the Guardian the death toll could rise further.

“This attack is abhorrent and a grave violation of international humanitarian law,” said Meinie Nicolai, MSF’s president. “We demand total transparency from coalition forces. We cannot accept that this horrific loss of life will simply be dismissed as ‘collateral damage’.”

Jonathan Whittall, the charity’s head of humanitarian analysis, added: “MSF demands clarity on exactly what took place at our hospital in Kunduz and how this unacceptable event could have happened.”

The US military has been providing bombing raids to support Afghan forces fighting to reclaim control of Kunduz from the Taliban. It admitted that an airstrike may have caused “collateral damage”, a military term for civilian deaths and injuries.


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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
October 03 2015 22:55 GMT
#47370
Illegal immigrants—along with other noncitizens without the right to vote—may pick the 2016 presidential winner. Thanks to the unique math undergirding the Electoral College, the mere presence of 11-12 million illegal immigrants and other noncitizens here legally may enable them to swing the election from Republicans to Democrats.
The right to vote is intended to be a singular privilege of citizenship. But the 1787 Constitutional Convention rejected allowing the people to directly elect their President. The delegates chose instead our Electoral College system, under which 538 electoral votes distributed amongst the states determine the presidential victor. The Electoral College awards one elector for each U.S. Senator, thus 100 of the total, and D.C. gets three electors pursuant to the 23rd Amendment. Those electoral numbers are unaffected by the size of the noncitizen population. The same cannot be said for the remaining 435, more than 80 percent of the total, which represent the members elected to the House.
Story Continued Below
The distribution of these 435 seats is not static: they are reapportioned every ten years to reflect the population changes found in the census. That reallocation math is based on the relative “whole number of persons in each state,” as the formulation in the 14th Amendment has it. When this language was inserted into the U.S. Constitution, the concept of an “illegal immigrant,” as the term is defined today, had no meaning. Thus the census counts illegal immigrants and other noncitizens equally with citizens. Since the census is used to determine the number of House seats apportioned to each state, those states with large populations of illegal immigrants and other noncitizens gain extra seats in the House at the expense of states with fewer such “whole number of persons.”
This math gives strongly Democratic states an unfair edge in the Electoral College. Using citizen-only population statistics, American University scholar Leonard Steinhorn projects California would lose five House seats and therefore five electoral votes. New York and Washington would lose one seat, and thus one electoral vote apiece. These three states, which have voted overwhelming for Democrats over the latest six presidential elections, would lose seven electoral votes altogether. The GOP’s path to victory, by contrast, depends on states that would lose a mere three electoral votes in total. Republican stronghold Texas would lose two House seats and therefore two electoral votes. Florida, which Republicans must win to reclaim the presidency, loses one seat and thus one electoral vote.





Illegal Immigrants Could Elect Hillary
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
October 03 2015 23:14 GMT
#47371
On October 04 2015 07:55 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
Illegal immigrants—along with other noncitizens without the right to vote—may pick the 2016 presidential winner. Thanks to the unique math undergirding the Electoral College, the mere presence of 11-12 million illegal immigrants and other noncitizens here legally may enable them to swing the election from Republicans to Democrats.
The right to vote is intended to be a singular privilege of citizenship. But the 1787 Constitutional Convention rejected allowing the people to directly elect their President. The delegates chose instead our Electoral College system, under which 538 electoral votes distributed amongst the states determine the presidential victor. The Electoral College awards one elector for each U.S. Senator, thus 100 of the total, and D.C. gets three electors pursuant to the 23rd Amendment. Those electoral numbers are unaffected by the size of the noncitizen population. The same cannot be said for the remaining 435, more than 80 percent of the total, which represent the members elected to the House.
Story Continued Below
The distribution of these 435 seats is not static: they are reapportioned every ten years to reflect the population changes found in the census. That reallocation math is based on the relative “whole number of persons in each state,” as the formulation in the 14th Amendment has it. When this language was inserted into the U.S. Constitution, the concept of an “illegal immigrant,” as the term is defined today, had no meaning. Thus the census counts illegal immigrants and other noncitizens equally with citizens. Since the census is used to determine the number of House seats apportioned to each state, those states with large populations of illegal immigrants and other noncitizens gain extra seats in the House at the expense of states with fewer such “whole number of persons.”
This math gives strongly Democratic states an unfair edge in the Electoral College. Using citizen-only population statistics, American University scholar Leonard Steinhorn projects California would lose five House seats and therefore five electoral votes. New York and Washington would lose one seat, and thus one electoral vote apiece. These three states, which have voted overwhelming for Democrats over the latest six presidential elections, would lose seven electoral votes altogether. The GOP’s path to victory, by contrast, depends on states that would lose a mere three electoral votes in total. Republican stronghold Texas would lose two House seats and therefore two electoral votes. Florida, which Republicans must win to reclaim the presidency, loses one seat and thus one electoral vote.





Illegal Immigrants Could Elect Hillary


seems like a bit of a skewed title since legal immigrants skew population statistics as well.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 03 2015 23:27 GMT
#47372
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 03 2015 23:42 GMT
#47373
On the census/electoral issue raised by introvert, I can't think of any way to fix that without using statistical sampling for the census. It's already hard to do census counts, you're not going to get people to accurately admit to their citizenship status, and verifying it for each person is something that just wouldn't work.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 04 2015 00:58 GMT
#47374
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton proposed Saturday that military records be amended to upgrade dishonorable discharges imposed on gay, lesbian and transgender military veterans.

People drummed out of the armed services in years past for being gay should be able to get their records changed to reflect an honorable discharge, Clinton said.

"Don't Ask, Don't Tell is over, but that doesn't change the fact that more than 14,000 men and women were forced out of the military for being gay, some long before Don't Ask, Don't Tell even existed," Clinton said, referring to the 1993 law that allowed gays and lesbians to serve in the military if they did not reveal their sexual orientation.


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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
October 04 2015 02:37 GMT
#47375
On October 04 2015 08:14 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 07:55 Introvert wrote:
Illegal immigrants—along with other noncitizens without the right to vote—may pick the 2016 presidential winner. Thanks to the unique math undergirding the Electoral College, the mere presence of 11-12 million illegal immigrants and other noncitizens here legally may enable them to swing the election from Republicans to Democrats.
The right to vote is intended to be a singular privilege of citizenship. But the 1787 Constitutional Convention rejected allowing the people to directly elect their President. The delegates chose instead our Electoral College system, under which 538 electoral votes distributed amongst the states determine the presidential victor. The Electoral College awards one elector for each U.S. Senator, thus 100 of the total, and D.C. gets three electors pursuant to the 23rd Amendment. Those electoral numbers are unaffected by the size of the noncitizen population. The same cannot be said for the remaining 435, more than 80 percent of the total, which represent the members elected to the House.
Story Continued Below
The distribution of these 435 seats is not static: they are reapportioned every ten years to reflect the population changes found in the census. That reallocation math is based on the relative “whole number of persons in each state,” as the formulation in the 14th Amendment has it. When this language was inserted into the U.S. Constitution, the concept of an “illegal immigrant,” as the term is defined today, had no meaning. Thus the census counts illegal immigrants and other noncitizens equally with citizens. Since the census is used to determine the number of House seats apportioned to each state, those states with large populations of illegal immigrants and other noncitizens gain extra seats in the House at the expense of states with fewer such “whole number of persons.”
This math gives strongly Democratic states an unfair edge in the Electoral College. Using citizen-only population statistics, American University scholar Leonard Steinhorn projects California would lose five House seats and therefore five electoral votes. New York and Washington would lose one seat, and thus one electoral vote apiece. These three states, which have voted overwhelming for Democrats over the latest six presidential elections, would lose seven electoral votes altogether. The GOP’s path to victory, by contrast, depends on states that would lose a mere three electoral votes in total. Republican stronghold Texas would lose two House seats and therefore two electoral votes. Florida, which Republicans must win to reclaim the presidency, loses one seat and thus one electoral vote.





Illegal Immigrants Could Elect Hillary


seems like a bit of a skewed title since legal immigrants skew population statistics as well.


It's a terrible title.

For a bit of perspective, were talking about 7 votes. Obama won by almost 200 votes in 2008 and 90 votes in 2012. Putting forth the premise that the 7 votes that are a result of undocumented residents would win someone this upcoming election is laughable.

The scenario they paint where it actually would matter is not nearly as likely as they make it sound either. But considering one of the authors thinks Trump is a gift to the Republican party, the analysis doesn't really surprise me.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
October 04 2015 02:59 GMT
#47376
Hardly terrible, the title says exactly what the article says.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
October 04 2015 03:11 GMT
#47377
On October 04 2015 11:59 Introvert wrote:
Hardly terrible, the title says exactly what the article says.

Does it mention how disenfranchising black voters will probably give republicans an edge anyway?
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
October 04 2015 03:23 GMT
#47378
On October 04 2015 11:59 Introvert wrote:
Hardly terrible, the title says exactly what the article says.


You misunderstand, the title is terrible because the article is terrible. That they don't mention the previous two electoral college results (blowouts) betrays their intentions.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
October 04 2015 04:03 GMT
#47379
On October 04 2015 12:23 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 11:59 Introvert wrote:
Hardly terrible, the title says exactly what the article says.


You misunderstand, the title is terrible because the article is terrible. That they don't mention the previous two electoral college results (blowouts) betrays their intentions.


That wasn't the point of the article. But you are right, there will never be a close election ever again.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
October 04 2015 04:53 GMT
#47380
On October 04 2015 13:03 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 12:23 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 04 2015 11:59 Introvert wrote:
Hardly terrible, the title says exactly what the article says.


You misunderstand, the title is terrible because the article is terrible. That they don't mention the previous two electoral college results (blowouts) betrays their intentions.


That wasn't the point of the article. But you are right, there will never be a close election ever again.


What wasn't the point of the article?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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