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redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
September 17 2015 02:09 GMT
#46041
Why does Christie feel the need to lie about his appointment.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2015/08/07/christie-lied-about-911-to-try-to-shut-down-pauls-opposition-to-dragnet-spying/

On December 7, 2001 — three months after the attacks — President Bush released this notice of nomination.


The President intends to nominate Christopher J. Christie to be United States Attorney for the District of New Jersey. Christie has been a partner with Dughi, Hewitt and Palatucci of Cranford, New Jersey since 1987. He is a graduate of the University of Delaware and Seton Hall University School of Law.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-17 02:11:58
September 17 2015 02:10 GMT
#46042
On September 17 2015 11:08 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 11:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On September 17 2015 11:04 Saryph wrote:
How can you say Bush kept us safe when 9-11 happened on his watch?


I'm no fan of Bush, but realistically there was no way a president would have prevented 9/11. It was the result of interagency fuckups more than anything, and it's not like Gore or Nader or anyone would have untangled those because they're too entrenched.

Edit: Oh lord Carson just said we shouldn't have withdrawn from Iraq.

We not going to war with Iraq would have been a better plan.


Well yeah, he definitely didn't maximize America's safety with his policy, and I'd say he made us less safe, but not because of 9/11.

Oh man Rubio is going to go to war with every country that harbors terrorists.
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
September 17 2015 02:11 GMT
#46043
On September 17 2015 11:08 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 11:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On September 17 2015 11:04 Saryph wrote:
How can you say Bush kept us safe when 9-11 happened on his watch?


I'm no fan of Bush, but realistically there was no way a president would have prevented 9/11. It was the result of interagency fuckups more than anything, and it's not like Gore or Nader or anyone would have untangled those because they're too entrenched.

Edit: Oh lord Carson just said we shouldn't have withdrawn from Iraq.

We not going to war with Iraq would have been a better plan.

Quit stumping for trump
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 17 2015 02:13 GMT
#46044
On September 17 2015 11:11 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 11:08 Plansix wrote:
On September 17 2015 11:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On September 17 2015 11:04 Saryph wrote:
How can you say Bush kept us safe when 9-11 happened on his watch?


I'm no fan of Bush, but realistically there was no way a president would have prevented 9/11. It was the result of interagency fuckups more than anything, and it's not like Gore or Nader or anyone would have untangled those because they're too entrenched.

Edit: Oh lord Carson just said we shouldn't have withdrawn from Iraq.

We not going to war with Iraq would have been a better plan.

Quit stumping for trump

Plz, I don't vote for bigots.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 17 2015 02:15 GMT
#46045
On September 17 2015 11:04 redviper wrote:
Paul is so reasonable. He has no chance in the primary.


It's a shame. I've got a fair amount of respect for Rand, even if I disagree with him on a bunch of stuff.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-17 02:19:43
September 17 2015 02:17 GMT
#46046
Fiorina is really channeling Reagan with her desire to blow up everything.

Does "proven record of respect for upholding the Constitution" translate to "they'll do what I want" or not, I can't decide.

I'm actually amazed at how quiet these people have been on Obamacare, I guess that's coming up.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18109 Posts
September 17 2015 02:19 GMT
#46047
Wow, that little blip by Carly was clever. Put all other 12 candidates away with a single line as talking about the past instead of the future.
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
September 17 2015 02:19 GMT
#46048
Carly must have hired Barbara boxers political aide after barb destroyed her in California. Good on her.
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
September 17 2015 02:20 GMT
#46049
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorina/minnesota01.html

I’ll end by telling a story.

There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.

It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.

One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.

And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.

Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.

When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.

While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.

Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.

And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population–that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions.

This kind of enlightened leadership — leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage — led to 800 years of invention and prosperity.

In dark and serious times like this, we must affirm our commitment to building societies and institutions that aspire to this kind of greatness. More than ever, we must focus on the importance of leadership– bold acts of leadership and decidedly personal acts of leadership.

With that, I’d like to open up the conversation and see what we, collectively, believe about the role of leadership.


Whatever happened to this intelligent Carly Fiorina.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45006 Posts
September 17 2015 02:21 GMT
#46050
On September 17 2015 10:26 On_Slaught wrote:
If Trump wins the Republican Primary, Cruz will absolutely be his VP candidate. Easiest democratic victory in history if it happens.


Must construct additional Palins.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 17 2015 02:22 GMT
#46051
lol wat that's some thick bs
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45006 Posts
September 17 2015 02:23 GMT
#46052
On September 17 2015 10:46 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I think someone may have put something in Carson's drink. He seems super out of it.


Maybe he gave himself a lobotomy.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
September 17 2015 02:26 GMT
#46053
How much longer is this going on for?
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
September 17 2015 02:32 GMT
#46054
Christie is so awful. I can not believe this guy.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18109 Posts
September 17 2015 02:33 GMT
#46055
christie hasn't been smoking pot, he has been smoking crack by the sound of that answer...
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
September 17 2015 02:33 GMT
#46056
Christie lost Snoop Doggs vote
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 17 2015 02:35 GMT
#46057
On September 17 2015 11:20 redviper wrote:
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorina/minnesota01.html

Show nested quote +
I’ll end by telling a story.

There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.

It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.

One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.

And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.

Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.

When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.

While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.

Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.

And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population–that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions.

This kind of enlightened leadership — leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage — led to 800 years of invention and prosperity.

In dark and serious times like this, we must affirm our commitment to building societies and institutions that aspire to this kind of greatness. More than ever, we must focus on the importance of leadership– bold acts of leadership and decidedly personal acts of leadership.

With that, I’d like to open up the conversation and see what we, collectively, believe about the role of leadership.


Whatever happened to this intelligent Carly Fiorina.


Was this before or after she ran HP into the ground?
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
September 17 2015 02:36 GMT
#46058
Ah, the anti-science BS coming out of the Republican crowd.

"Marijuana is so much more dangerous than alcohol!"

Bullshit.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
September 17 2015 02:37 GMT
#46059
Carly just lost all the ground she had gained smh
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
September 17 2015 02:37 GMT
#46060
On September 17 2015 11:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 11:20 redviper wrote:
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorina/minnesota01.html

I’ll end by telling a story.

There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.

It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.

One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.

And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.

Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.

When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.

While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.

Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.

And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population–that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions.

This kind of enlightened leadership — leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage — led to 800 years of invention and prosperity.

In dark and serious times like this, we must affirm our commitment to building societies and institutions that aspire to this kind of greatness. More than ever, we must focus on the importance of leadership– bold acts of leadership and decidedly personal acts of leadership.

With that, I’d like to open up the conversation and see what we, collectively, believe about the role of leadership.


Whatever happened to this intelligent Carly Fiorina.


Was this before or after she ran HP into the ground?


Before. I think her shagging of HP was a few years later. This was around 9/11. I believe she was responding to someone calling muslims barbarians.
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