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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-17 02:37:56
September 17 2015 02:37 GMT
#46061
The sheer amount of [citation needed] in that Fiorina speech on weed and how it has changed is overwhelming.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 17 2015 02:38 GMT
#46062
On September 17 2015 11:37 redviper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 11:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
On September 17 2015 11:20 redviper wrote:
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorina/minnesota01.html

I’ll end by telling a story.

There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.

It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.

One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.

And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.

Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.

When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.

While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.

Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.

And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population–that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions.

This kind of enlightened leadership — leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage — led to 800 years of invention and prosperity.

In dark and serious times like this, we must affirm our commitment to building societies and institutions that aspire to this kind of greatness. More than ever, we must focus on the importance of leadership– bold acts of leadership and decidedly personal acts of leadership.

With that, I’d like to open up the conversation and see what we, collectively, believe about the role of leadership.


Whatever happened to this intelligent Carly Fiorina.


Was this before or after she ran HP into the ground?


Before. I think her shagging of HP was a few years later. This was around 9/11. I believe she was responding to someone calling muslims barbarians.


Well, John McCain said a few intelligent things as well (he's a crotchety old bastard but he's put through some good legislation). Unfortunately, when you're appealing to the lowest common denominator, you soon become the lowest common denominator.
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13990 Posts
September 17 2015 02:39 GMT
#46063
On September 17 2015 11:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 11:20 redviper wrote:
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorina/minnesota01.html

I’ll end by telling a story.

There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.

It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.

One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.

And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.

Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.

When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.

While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.

Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.

And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population–that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions.

This kind of enlightened leadership — leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage — led to 800 years of invention and prosperity.

In dark and serious times like this, we must affirm our commitment to building societies and institutions that aspire to this kind of greatness. More than ever, we must focus on the importance of leadership– bold acts of leadership and decidedly personal acts of leadership.

With that, I’d like to open up the conversation and see what we, collectively, believe about the role of leadership.


Whatever happened to this intelligent Carly Fiorina.


Was this before or after she ran HP into the ground?

The problems came well before she got into power at HP. She was set up to be a women CEO to cover up them getting out of a few fields and fireing a lot of their workforce. Then the obvious drop in stock price could be blamed on her before getting a golden parachute like she'd get anyway. Then the next CEO can work with a profitable company to bring back said stock price.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15714 Posts
September 17 2015 02:39 GMT
#46064
On September 17 2015 11:37 TheTenthDoc wrote:
The sheer amount of [citation needed] in that Fiorina speech on weed and how it has changed is overwhelming.


When your kid is a fuckup, you need something to blame other than your genetics.
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
September 17 2015 02:39 GMT
#46065
Rubio just dropped a truth bomb about families. Props to him!
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-17 02:45:38
September 17 2015 02:43 GMT
#46066
On September 17 2015 11:39 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 11:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
On September 17 2015 11:20 redviper wrote:
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorina/minnesota01.html

I’ll end by telling a story.

There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.

It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.

One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.

And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.

Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.

When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.

While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.

Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.

And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population–that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions.

This kind of enlightened leadership — leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage — led to 800 years of invention and prosperity.

In dark and serious times like this, we must affirm our commitment to building societies and institutions that aspire to this kind of greatness. More than ever, we must focus on the importance of leadership– bold acts of leadership and decidedly personal acts of leadership.

With that, I’d like to open up the conversation and see what we, collectively, believe about the role of leadership.


Whatever happened to this intelligent Carly Fiorina.


Was this before or after she ran HP into the ground?

The problems came well before she got into power at HP. She was set up to be a women CEO to cover up them getting out of a few fields and fireing a lot of their workforce. Then the obvious drop in stock price could be blamed on her before getting a golden parachute like she'd get anyway. Then the next CEO can work with a profitable company to bring back said stock price.


I'd have to disagree. If anything, HP bloated like crazy under Fiorina-- that was when they merged with Compaq and bought like a bajillion other companies. Very little of the growth (if any) that she cites was organic, and she cherry picks statistics to make her look good. There's a reason she's cited as one of the worst tech CEO's of all time.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-17 02:47:29
September 17 2015 02:44 GMT
#46067
Oh man they just disagreed with Ronald Reagan. Is that a first?

Edit: Here's Carson's chance to crush Trump. Nope he's too lazy.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
September 17 2015 02:46 GMT
#46068
On September 17 2015 11:44 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Oh man they just disagreed with Ronald Reagan. Is that a first?


Well when someone actually calls them out on their Ronald Reagan-pedestal BS, they finally might. He was actually very moderate compared to almost everyone here.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 17 2015 02:47 GMT
#46069
On September 17 2015 11:44 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Oh man they just disagreed with Ronald Reagan. Is that a first?

Edit: Here's Carson's chance to crush Trump. Nope he's too lazy.


^Carson doesn't have a killer instinct sadly
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18051 Posts
September 17 2015 02:48 GMT
#46070
What the hell was Carson saying? It was such an easy point for him to just show off his medical expertise and build on, and he completely bungled it.

And Trump is retarded.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-17 02:49:10
September 17 2015 02:48 GMT
#46071
The fact that Trump says these things with absolutely no scientific backing makes me physically ill.

Does Trump even know that the vast majority of vaccines are given in series
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
September 17 2015 02:48 GMT
#46072
Carson just lost Jenny McCarthy's vote
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15714 Posts
September 17 2015 02:48 GMT
#46073
oh.
my.
god.

Belongs in a horse.

Autism a week later.

cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 17 2015 02:49 GMT
#46074
On September 17 2015 11:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 11:44 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Oh man they just disagreed with Ronald Reagan. Is that a first?


Well when someone actually calls them out on their Ronald Reagan-pedestal BS, they finally might. He was actually very moderate compared to almost everyone here.

That is because all of his moderate positions have backfired. The immigration deal, and the tax hikes come to mind. The plain fact is that what he traded in those deals never materialized. Thus, the platform is keep the good Reagan and learn from his mistakes.
Freeeeeeedom
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13990 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-17 02:51:04
September 17 2015 02:49 GMT
#46075
You're a fucking doctor you don't fucking lose on doctor shit to trump. What the fuck is wrong with you

stop declareing war on things you shit eating idoit
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-17 02:51:07
September 17 2015 02:50 GMT
#46076
On September 17 2015 11:49 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 11:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On September 17 2015 11:44 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Oh man they just disagreed with Ronald Reagan. Is that a first?


Well when someone actually calls them out on their Ronald Reagan-pedestal BS, they finally might. He was actually very moderate compared to almost everyone here.

That is because all of his moderate positions have backfired. The immigration deal, and the tax hikes come to mind. The plain fact is that what he traded in those deals never materialized. Thus, the platform is keep the good Reagan and learn from his mistakes.


Did any of his positions not backfire though?

OH MAN it's time for a war on heart disease, great. Let's do that without universal healthcare, sounds easy. Let's just "cure" high blood pressure. You're a lunatic Huckabee.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
September 17 2015 02:51 GMT
#46077
Fuck Huckabee is a moron.

"Focus on cures, not treatment."

Are you fucking serious? Politicians need to shut the fuck up about science.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18051 Posts
September 17 2015 02:51 GMT
#46078
Huckabee also going off the deep end. This debate dragging on and they're all going completely gaga.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 17 2015 02:52 GMT
#46079
I really don't get how someone like Trump can be an anti-vaxxer. It makes no sense.
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
September 17 2015 02:53 GMT
#46080
Is Obama in the audience right behind the moderators? I swear I just saw him went they went to commercial
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
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