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Owen Labrie Found Not Guilty of Felony Sexual Assault in Prep School Trial. He did a receive Felony charge for computer use. The listing off of the charges are cringe worthy.
Owen Labrie was found not guilty of felony sexual assault, and guilty of a felony related to computer use and four misdemeanors, in a case at St. Paul's School, a prestigious New Hampshire prep school.
The jury of nine men and three women delivered a not-guilty verdict on the three felony sexual assault charges on the second day of deliberations.
He also was found not guilty of simple assault, a misdemeanor.
Labrie was found guilty of four misdemeanors relating to sexual assault and endangering the welfare of a child. He was also found guilty of one felony for using a computer to "seduce, solicit, lure or entice a child under the age of 16."
Labrie, now 19, was accused of raping a fellow student in May 2014 at the school in Concord, New Hampshire. He was charged with multiple felonies relating to the encounter and had entered a not-guilty plea.
Labrie broke down halfway through today's proceedings. After the jury left, he turned to look at his family with tears in his eyes and his hands over his mouth.
There is no legal minimum for Labrie's sentence. In New Hampshire, the judge can decide to impose no prison or jail time for all of the charges, including the computer felony. The maximum time Labrie could face in prison is 11 years.
The girl's family had arms around her as she cried softly.
The girl's family said in a statement: "Today, a measure of justice has been served for victims of sexual violence. While he was not convicted on all charges, Owen Labrie was held accountable in some way by a jury of his peers for crimes he committed against our daughter. This conviction requires him to take ownership for his actions and gives him the opportunity to reflect upon the harm he has caused."
The family added, "While we stood together as a family through this process, it was our young daughter who took the stand to speak the truth and request justice. We admire her bravery in coming forward and speaking out in the face of great adversity. It is truly her courage that has made this measure of justice possible today."
St. Paul's School said in a statement: "We must first commend the remarkable moral courage and strength demonstrated by the young woman who has suffered through this nightmare. Her resolve and unwavering commitment to the truth have been inspiring to us and to many outside our School community. We can only hope that time will bring some measure of healing and comfort to both her and her family."
The school added, "The entire St. Paul’s School community has been deeply affected by this incident. It is our responsibility to ensure that our students live and learn together in a community that is built on respect, caring, and support for one another."
The girl, whose name is being withheld because of the nature of the crime, testified last week. "I was raped!" she said loudly amid tears. "I was violated in so many ways."
When Labrie took the stand this week, he described their activity, which he said was mutual, but he denied having sex with her.
"It wouldn't have been a good move to have sex with this girl," he recalled thinking at the time when he said he and the girl were making out in a school tower.
Prosecutor Catherine Ruffle said in court that the encounter at the center of the case was part of a "senior salute," a tradition at the prep school. Ruffle said that the "senior salute" practice was largely intended as a way for graduating seniors "to be with someone that they might have wanted to be with throughout" high school, and could include activities like walking to class together or kissing but "it might include a little bit more."
She also said some students believed Labrie and some of his friends had turned the tradition into a competition.
On August 29 2015 05:07 whatisthisasheep wrote: Owen Labrie Found Not Guilty of Felony Sexual Assault in Prep School Trial. He did a Felony charge for computer use. The listing off of the charges are cringe worthy.
Owen Labrie was found not guilty of felony sexual assault, and guilty of a felony related to computer use and four misdemeanors, in a case at St. Paul's School, a prestigious New Hampshire prep school.
The jury of nine men and three women delivered a not-guilty verdict on the three felony sexual assault charges on the second day of deliberations.
He also was found not guilty of simple assault, a misdemeanor.
Labrie was found guilty of four misdemeanors relating to sexual assault and endangering the welfare of a child. He was also found guilty of one felony for using a computer to "seduce, solicit, lure or entice a child under the age of 16."
Labrie, now 19, was accused of raping a fellow student in May 2014 at the school in Concord, New Hampshire. He was charged with multiple felonies relating to the encounter and had entered a not-guilty plea.
Labrie broke down halfway through today's proceedings. After the jury left, he turned to look at his family with tears in his eyes and his hands over his mouth.
There is no legal minimum for Labrie's sentence. In New Hampshire, the judge can decide to impose no prison or jail time for all of the charges, including the computer felony. The maximum time Labrie could face in prison is 11 years.
The girl's family had arms around her as she cried softly.
The girl's family said in a statement: "Today, a measure of justice has been served for victims of sexual violence. While he was not convicted on all charges, Owen Labrie was held accountable in some way by a jury of his peers for crimes he committed against our daughter. This conviction requires him to take ownership for his actions and gives him the opportunity to reflect upon the harm he has caused."
The family added, "While we stood together as a family through this process, it was our young daughter who took the stand to speak the truth and request justice. We admire her bravery in coming forward and speaking out in the face of great adversity. It is truly her courage that has made this measure of justice possible today."
St. Paul's School said in a statement: "We must first commend the remarkable moral courage and strength demonstrated by the young woman who has suffered through this nightmare. Her resolve and unwavering commitment to the truth have been inspiring to us and to many outside our School community. We can only hope that time will bring some measure of healing and comfort to both her and her family."
The school added, "The entire St. Paul’s School community has been deeply affected by this incident. It is our responsibility to ensure that our students live and learn together in a community that is built on respect, caring, and support for one another."
The girl, whose name is being withheld because of the nature of the crime, testified last week. "I was raped!" she said loudly amid tears. "I was violated in so many ways."
When Labrie took the stand this week, he described their activity, which he said was mutual, but he denied having sex with her.
"It wouldn't have been a good move to have sex with this girl," he recalled thinking at the time when he said he and the girl were making out in a school tower.
Prosecutor Catherine Ruffle said in court that the encounter at the center of the case was part of a "senior salute," a tradition at the prep school. Ruffle said that the "senior salute" practice was largely intended as a way for graduating seniors "to be with someone that they might have wanted to be with throughout" high school, and could include activities like walking to class together or kissing but "it might include a little bit more."
She also said some students believed Labrie and some of his friends had turned the tradition into a competition.
Why are you posting this in the US politics megathread...?
On August 29 2015 05:07 whatisthisasheep wrote: Owen Labrie Found Not Guilty of Felony Sexual Assault in Prep School Trial. He did a Felony charge for computer use. The listing off of the charges are cringe worthy.
Owen Labrie was found not guilty of felony sexual assault, and guilty of a felony related to computer use and four misdemeanors, in a case at St. Paul's School, a prestigious New Hampshire prep school.
The jury of nine men and three women delivered a not-guilty verdict on the three felony sexual assault charges on the second day of deliberations.
He also was found not guilty of simple assault, a misdemeanor.
Labrie was found guilty of four misdemeanors relating to sexual assault and endangering the welfare of a child. He was also found guilty of one felony for using a computer to "seduce, solicit, lure or entice a child under the age of 16."
Labrie, now 19, was accused of raping a fellow student in May 2014 at the school in Concord, New Hampshire. He was charged with multiple felonies relating to the encounter and had entered a not-guilty plea.
Labrie broke down halfway through today's proceedings. After the jury left, he turned to look at his family with tears in his eyes and his hands over his mouth.
There is no legal minimum for Labrie's sentence. In New Hampshire, the judge can decide to impose no prison or jail time for all of the charges, including the computer felony. The maximum time Labrie could face in prison is 11 years.
The girl's family had arms around her as she cried softly.
The girl's family said in a statement: "Today, a measure of justice has been served for victims of sexual violence. While he was not convicted on all charges, Owen Labrie was held accountable in some way by a jury of his peers for crimes he committed against our daughter. This conviction requires him to take ownership for his actions and gives him the opportunity to reflect upon the harm he has caused."
The family added, "While we stood together as a family through this process, it was our young daughter who took the stand to speak the truth and request justice. We admire her bravery in coming forward and speaking out in the face of great adversity. It is truly her courage that has made this measure of justice possible today."
St. Paul's School said in a statement: "We must first commend the remarkable moral courage and strength demonstrated by the young woman who has suffered through this nightmare. Her resolve and unwavering commitment to the truth have been inspiring to us and to many outside our School community. We can only hope that time will bring some measure of healing and comfort to both her and her family."
The school added, "The entire St. Paul’s School community has been deeply affected by this incident. It is our responsibility to ensure that our students live and learn together in a community that is built on respect, caring, and support for one another."
The girl, whose name is being withheld because of the nature of the crime, testified last week. "I was raped!" she said loudly amid tears. "I was violated in so many ways."
When Labrie took the stand this week, he described their activity, which he said was mutual, but he denied having sex with her.
"It wouldn't have been a good move to have sex with this girl," he recalled thinking at the time when he said he and the girl were making out in a school tower.
Prosecutor Catherine Ruffle said in court that the encounter at the center of the case was part of a "senior salute," a tradition at the prep school. Ruffle said that the "senior salute" practice was largely intended as a way for graduating seniors "to be with someone that they might have wanted to be with throughout" high school, and could include activities like walking to class together or kissing but "it might include a little bit more."
She also said some students believed Labrie and some of his friends had turned the tradition into a competition.
Why are you posting this in the US politics megathread...?
Because he is a troll that wants to get people riled up and debating rape and the details of that case.
On August 29 2015 05:07 whatisthisasheep wrote: Owen Labrie Found Not Guilty of Felony Sexual Assault in Prep School Trial. He did a Felony charge for computer use. The listing off of the charges are cringe worthy.
Owen Labrie was found not guilty of felony sexual assault, and guilty of a felony related to computer use and four misdemeanors, in a case at St. Paul's School, a prestigious New Hampshire prep school.
The jury of nine men and three women delivered a not-guilty verdict on the three felony sexual assault charges on the second day of deliberations.
He also was found not guilty of simple assault, a misdemeanor.
Labrie was found guilty of four misdemeanors relating to sexual assault and endangering the welfare of a child. He was also found guilty of one felony for using a computer to "seduce, solicit, lure or entice a child under the age of 16."
Labrie, now 19, was accused of raping a fellow student in May 2014 at the school in Concord, New Hampshire. He was charged with multiple felonies relating to the encounter and had entered a not-guilty plea.
Labrie broke down halfway through today's proceedings. After the jury left, he turned to look at his family with tears in his eyes and his hands over his mouth.
There is no legal minimum for Labrie's sentence. In New Hampshire, the judge can decide to impose no prison or jail time for all of the charges, including the computer felony. The maximum time Labrie could face in prison is 11 years.
The girl's family had arms around her as she cried softly.
The girl's family said in a statement: "Today, a measure of justice has been served for victims of sexual violence. While he was not convicted on all charges, Owen Labrie was held accountable in some way by a jury of his peers for crimes he committed against our daughter. This conviction requires him to take ownership for his actions and gives him the opportunity to reflect upon the harm he has caused."
The family added, "While we stood together as a family through this process, it was our young daughter who took the stand to speak the truth and request justice. We admire her bravery in coming forward and speaking out in the face of great adversity. It is truly her courage that has made this measure of justice possible today."
St. Paul's School said in a statement: "We must first commend the remarkable moral courage and strength demonstrated by the young woman who has suffered through this nightmare. Her resolve and unwavering commitment to the truth have been inspiring to us and to many outside our School community. We can only hope that time will bring some measure of healing and comfort to both her and her family."
The school added, "The entire St. Paul’s School community has been deeply affected by this incident. It is our responsibility to ensure that our students live and learn together in a community that is built on respect, caring, and support for one another."
The girl, whose name is being withheld because of the nature of the crime, testified last week. "I was raped!" she said loudly amid tears. "I was violated in so many ways."
When Labrie took the stand this week, he described their activity, which he said was mutual, but he denied having sex with her.
"It wouldn't have been a good move to have sex with this girl," he recalled thinking at the time when he said he and the girl were making out in a school tower.
Prosecutor Catherine Ruffle said in court that the encounter at the center of the case was part of a "senior salute," a tradition at the prep school. Ruffle said that the "senior salute" practice was largely intended as a way for graduating seniors "to be with someone that they might have wanted to be with throughout" high school, and could include activities like walking to class together or kissing but "it might include a little bit more."
She also said some students believed Labrie and some of his friends had turned the tradition into a competition.
Why are you posting this in the US politics megathread...?
It has the possibility of setting a precedent on how future rape charges are ruled upon on college campuses now that universities are be being held more accountable for their students actions in America. It has also been a top news story in America for the last several weeks.
On August 29 2015 05:07 whatisthisasheep wrote: Owen Labrie Found Not Guilty of Felony Sexual Assault in Prep School Trial. He did a Felony charge for computer use. The listing off of the charges are cringe worthy.
Owen Labrie was found not guilty of felony sexual assault, and guilty of a felony related to computer use and four misdemeanors, in a case at St. Paul's School, a prestigious New Hampshire prep school.
The jury of nine men and three women delivered a not-guilty verdict on the three felony sexual assault charges on the second day of deliberations.
He also was found not guilty of simple assault, a misdemeanor.
Labrie was found guilty of four misdemeanors relating to sexual assault and endangering the welfare of a child. He was also found guilty of one felony for using a computer to "seduce, solicit, lure or entice a child under the age of 16."
Labrie, now 19, was accused of raping a fellow student in May 2014 at the school in Concord, New Hampshire. He was charged with multiple felonies relating to the encounter and had entered a not-guilty plea.
Labrie broke down halfway through today's proceedings. After the jury left, he turned to look at his family with tears in his eyes and his hands over his mouth.
There is no legal minimum for Labrie's sentence. In New Hampshire, the judge can decide to impose no prison or jail time for all of the charges, including the computer felony. The maximum time Labrie could face in prison is 11 years.
The girl's family had arms around her as she cried softly.
The girl's family said in a statement: "Today, a measure of justice has been served for victims of sexual violence. While he was not convicted on all charges, Owen Labrie was held accountable in some way by a jury of his peers for crimes he committed against our daughter. This conviction requires him to take ownership for his actions and gives him the opportunity to reflect upon the harm he has caused."
The family added, "While we stood together as a family through this process, it was our young daughter who took the stand to speak the truth and request justice. We admire her bravery in coming forward and speaking out in the face of great adversity. It is truly her courage that has made this measure of justice possible today."
St. Paul's School said in a statement: "We must first commend the remarkable moral courage and strength demonstrated by the young woman who has suffered through this nightmare. Her resolve and unwavering commitment to the truth have been inspiring to us and to many outside our School community. We can only hope that time will bring some measure of healing and comfort to both her and her family."
The school added, "The entire St. Paul’s School community has been deeply affected by this incident. It is our responsibility to ensure that our students live and learn together in a community that is built on respect, caring, and support for one another."
The girl, whose name is being withheld because of the nature of the crime, testified last week. "I was raped!" she said loudly amid tears. "I was violated in so many ways."
When Labrie took the stand this week, he described their activity, which he said was mutual, but he denied having sex with her.
"It wouldn't have been a good move to have sex with this girl," he recalled thinking at the time when he said he and the girl were making out in a school tower.
Prosecutor Catherine Ruffle said in court that the encounter at the center of the case was part of a "senior salute," a tradition at the prep school. Ruffle said that the "senior salute" practice was largely intended as a way for graduating seniors "to be with someone that they might have wanted to be with throughout" high school, and could include activities like walking to class together or kissing but "it might include a little bit more."
She also said some students believed Labrie and some of his friends had turned the tradition into a competition.
Why are you posting this in the US politics megathread...?
It has the possibility of setting a precedent on how future rape charges are ruled upon on college campuses now that universities are be being held more accountable for their students actions in America.
Its was a jury trial, not an appeal. It can't set a precedent legally. It was a case based on facts and evidence and the jury ruled the evidence was not sufficient to prove the crime that was charged. And it has nothing to do with politics in general.
A little tension in Democrat circles as O'Malley challenges DNC agreement on debates. From The Hill:
Former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley thinks the Democratic Party’s decision to limit the number of primary debates is tantamount to rigging the nomination process.
“Four debates and only four debates — we are told, not asked — before voters in our earliest states make their decision,” the presidential candidate said at the Democratic National Committee (DNC) Summer Meeting on Friday.
“This sort of rigged process has never been attempted before,” he added. “One debate in Iowa. That’s it. One debate in New Hampshire. That’s all we can afford.”
After O'Malley's speech wrapped up, observers noted palpable tension as he greeted DNC Chair, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
On August 28 2015 08:56 Sermokala wrote: [quote] I'm not arguing about abortion kwark. I can't actually argue with your first paragraph at all I've never seen it from that point of view.I'm arguing that calling half the country who don't agree with you, regardless of the issues let alone one thats so personally held on either side, terrorists and no better then ISIS is utterly unacceptable and completely shameless.
Nobody said that the Republican party is literally ISIS. Only ISIS is literally ISIS. You're disagreeing with something that nobody anywhere said or thinks. Also nobody called anyone terrorists and nobody said anyone was no better than ISIS.
However the comparison, in terms of religious fundamentalist views on controlling women, is apt. Maybe better comparisons could have been made but the comparison holds up. A comparison can have a limited scope. If I called you as dumb as a rock that doesn't mean I'm a making a comment about your hardness, durability or composition.
But the point I'm making is that the pro life crowd isn't about controling womens bodies its about the fetus's live being more important then the womens right. Thats why they call themselves pro life. Saying its about "a war against women" and "controling womens bodies" are both spins on the issue that the politicians created to motivate people that agree with them to vote nothing more.
It is about controlling a womans body. The only way you can make a woman who doesn't want to have a child have the child is by force. That is the very definition of controlling her body. She's being required by law to give up dominion of her body to meet the wishes of other people/the law.
Most people aren't pro-life to keep uppity bitches in their place. They're not trying to control women in that regard. But forcing a woman to carry a fetus to term is controlling her, end of story.
Yes but the issue is that one side thinks that killing a potential life is worse then controlling women and the other side thinking that controlling women is worse then the killing of a potential life.
But the point is being pro-life involves "Controlling womens bodies", so its not just spin. Now it might not fit both definitions of 'control' (a: forcing a woman to do something with her body she doesn't want to. b: subjugating her because you want to keep her down as the lesser of the sexes), but it certainly fits definition A. You can make the case that definition B is overblown by a lot of pro-choice people and I'd agree with that generally speaking, but not all the time.
Personally I fall on the only defensible position IMO, especially as a man. If I were to knock a woman up I'd never ask her to get an abortion, I'd never beg her to keep it if she didn't want to. While I'd never have use for an abortion clinic personally I don't see why I need to force that on anyone else, I have people close to me that have aborted, and it was the right choice for them. So while personally I'd fall in the "pro-life" for me camp I'm militantly pro-choice. Don't want an abortion, don't get one. But full disclosure I never want any hell spawn anyway
This attitude feels like the exact opposite extreme.
There's a stark difference between "forcing" someone to do something and being heavily involved in a decision that effects your relationship.
At the end of the day my desires don't really matter since I'm not the one carrying the kid. What she chooses is what she chooses. So whether you want to think of it as a 49/51% decision with her getting the deciding vote or 1/99% doesn't really matter. If its a split decision its in her favor, end of discussion. I can give her my feelings for what its worth, but she can completely ignore them, as is her right. But if I do have a kid its going to be a total fucking accident anyway.
I can give my input if she wants it, she can take it or leave it. Its a matter of freedom. Just because I'd never opt to have an abortion doesn't mean the freedom to make the choice shouldn't exist. Don't want an abortion, don't get one. Don't want a gay marriage, don't get one. Don't want to smoke pot, don't smoke it. A lot of people think that just because they don't want something that means no one else should be able to. I don't like sticking my nose in other people's business when it doesn't concern me. By the same token I don't want other people sticking their nose in my shit when its none of their business. Seems reasonable to me, but what do I know.
...other people's business...?
I mean, if you're in a committed relationship with a woman and she gets pregnant, then it is your business. At the end of the day the decision is going to be hers, but the whole point of being in a relationship is the mutual understanding that things such as this are going to be shared in one form or another.
There are couples that will break up because one doesn't want a child and one does. There are also women that would probably consider you callous if your response to "I'm pregnant" is "that's nice dear, do what you want with it".
Can't imagine many relationships where a man could come home and say "I had a vasectomy" out of the blue either.
If I'm in a committed relationship then my stance is already known. People talk about their stances and ideas on things. She'll know where I stand on religion, politics, marriage, potential pregnancy, sea food, etc long before the fact. I'm not going to sit there and hound her and try to change her mind, thats super gross trying to pressure someone into keeping or aborting.
If it breaks up the relationship then too bad. Legally the choice is entirely hers to make. My wishes don't matter at all and they never ever ever should. There is no argument to be made otherwise. She carries the child, not me. I can't force her to keep or abort, it's her body. That's the price of doing business at the end of the day, if you can't handle it than you shouldn't be sexually active. Where the rubber meets the road there's only 1 voting member on this issue and its the person who is pregnant.
If the relationship breaks unhappily and she exercises her right to hit you for child support, will you extend selfsame "my wishes don't matter at all and they never ever ever should?" Her body nourished the child to start, legally later both your bodies are tied up in financial support.
Former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley thinks the Democratic Party’s decision to limit the number of primary debates is tantamount to rigging the nomination process.
“Four debates and only four debates — we are told, not asked — before voters in our earliest states make their decision,” the presidential candidate said at the Democratic National Committee (DNC) Summer Meeting on Friday.
“This sort of rigged process has never been attempted before,” he added. “One debate in Iowa. That’s it. One debate in New Hampshire. That’s all we can afford.”
After O'Malley's speech wrapped up, observers noted palpable tension as he greeted DNC Chair, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
On August 29 2015 07:58 Danglars wrote: A little tension in Democrat circles as O'Malley challenges DNC agreement on debates. From The Hill:
Former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley thinks the Democratic Party’s decision to limit the number of primary debates is tantamount to rigging the nomination process.
“Four debates and only four debates — we are told, not asked — before voters in our earliest states make their decision,” the presidential candidate said at the Democratic National Committee (DNC) Summer Meeting on Friday.
“This sort of rigged process has never been attempted before,” he added. “One debate in Iowa. That’s it. One debate in New Hampshire. That’s all we can afford.”
After O'Malley's speech wrapped up, observers noted palpable tension as he greeted DNC Chair, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
I like O'Malley's ideas (basically Bernie Sanders), but he comes off as such a politician. The same calculated responses and punch lines regular politicians always try to nail, with the same hollow smile.
On August 29 2015 07:58 Danglars wrote: A little tension in Democrat circles as O'Malley challenges DNC agreement on debates. From The Hill:
Former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley thinks the Democratic Party’s decision to limit the number of primary debates is tantamount to rigging the nomination process.
“Four debates and only four debates — we are told, not asked — before voters in our earliest states make their decision,” the presidential candidate said at the Democratic National Committee (DNC) Summer Meeting on Friday.
“This sort of rigged process has never been attempted before,” he added. “One debate in Iowa. That’s it. One debate in New Hampshire. That’s all we can afford.”
After O'Malley's speech wrapped up, observers noted palpable tension as he greeted DNC Chair, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
I like O'Malley's ideas (basically Bernie Sanders), but he comes off as such a politician. The same calculated responses and punch lines regular politicians always try to nail, with the same hollow smile.
Aesthetically he reminds me of John Edwards a lot. His total lack of support compared to Sanders makes me think that progressives are less fooled by the bs rhetoric when compared to Republicans.
O'Malley basically has the same platform as Sanders but comes off as totally plastic.
On August 29 2015 07:58 Danglars wrote: A little tension in Democrat circles as O'Malley challenges DNC agreement on debates. From The Hill:
Former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley thinks the Democratic Party’s decision to limit the number of primary debates is tantamount to rigging the nomination process.
“Four debates and only four debates — we are told, not asked — before voters in our earliest states make their decision,” the presidential candidate said at the Democratic National Committee (DNC) Summer Meeting on Friday.
“This sort of rigged process has never been attempted before,” he added. “One debate in Iowa. That’s it. One debate in New Hampshire. That’s all we can afford.”
After O'Malley's speech wrapped up, observers noted palpable tension as he greeted DNC Chair, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
I like O'Malley's ideas (basically Bernie Sanders), but he comes off as such a politician. The same calculated responses and punch lines regular politicians always try to nail, with the same hollow smile.
Aesthetically he reminds me of John Edwards a lot. His total lack of support compared to Sanders makes me think that progressives are less fooled by the bs rhetoric when compared to Republicans.
How is it "bs rhetoric"? He does appear stiff in the video, but that doesn't mean there's no substance behind it.
On August 29 2015 07:58 Danglars wrote: A little tension in Democrat circles as O'Malley challenges DNC agreement on debates. From The Hill:
Former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley thinks the Democratic Party’s decision to limit the number of primary debates is tantamount to rigging the nomination process.
“Four debates and only four debates — we are told, not asked — before voters in our earliest states make their decision,” the presidential candidate said at the Democratic National Committee (DNC) Summer Meeting on Friday.
“This sort of rigged process has never been attempted before,” he added. “One debate in Iowa. That’s it. One debate in New Hampshire. That’s all we can afford.”
After O'Malley's speech wrapped up, observers noted palpable tension as he greeted DNC Chair, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
I like O'Malley's ideas (basically Bernie Sanders), but he comes off as such a politician. The same calculated responses and punch lines regular politicians always try to nail, with the same hollow smile.
Aesthetically he reminds me of John Edwards a lot. His total lack of support compared to Sanders makes me think that progressives are less fooled by the bs rhetoric when compared to Republicans.
How is it "bs rhetoric"? He does appear stiff in the video, but that doesn't mean there's no substance behind it.
By "bs rhetoric" he means spinning a string of repetitive and insipid "sententiae" which is the standard of all political speech in the modern world. The only strange thing about O'Malley is that other politicians behave like they're in Hollywood, whereas he still thinks he's on Broadway.
On August 29 2015 07:58 Danglars wrote: A little tension in Democrat circles as O'Malley challenges DNC agreement on debates. From The Hill:
Former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley thinks the Democratic Party’s decision to limit the number of primary debates is tantamount to rigging the nomination process.
“Four debates and only four debates — we are told, not asked — before voters in our earliest states make their decision,” the presidential candidate said at the Democratic National Committee (DNC) Summer Meeting on Friday.
“This sort of rigged process has never been attempted before,” he added. “One debate in Iowa. That’s it. One debate in New Hampshire. That’s all we can afford.”
After O'Malley's speech wrapped up, observers noted palpable tension as he greeted DNC Chair, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
I like O'Malley's ideas (basically Bernie Sanders), but he comes off as such a politician. The same calculated responses and punch lines regular politicians always try to nail, with the same hollow smile.
Aesthetically he reminds me of John Edwards a lot. His total lack of support compared to Sanders makes me think that progressives are less fooled by the bs rhetoric when compared to Republicans.
How is it "bs rhetoric"? He does appear stiff in the video, but that doesn't mean there's no substance behind it.
By "bs rhetoric" he means spinning a string of repetitive and insipid "sententiae" which is the standard of all political speech in the modern world. The only strange thing about O'Malley is that other politicians behave like they're in Hollywood, whereas he still thinks he's on Broadway.
Except he said "fooled by bs rhetoric", which implies that there isn't conviction or substance behind the rhetoric. O'Malley does seem to have a record showing his convictions and actions match his statements.
I saw a few minutes of that speech when it was on; got a poor impression of him from the part I saw. He was quite blatantly misstating Trump's current position re the Republican party; saying that he was leading the party, rather than that he has strong support from within certain elements of the party but has no backing/support from its leadership, or from the party as a whole. I value truth highly, and prefer to be precise when speaking; I certainly expect such from my political leaders (not that they generally do, but one can dream).
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