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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 23 2015 22:36 GMT
#44561
On August 24 2015 03:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Internal documents released late on Friday show managers at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) were aware of the potential for a catastrophic “blowout” at an abandoned mine that could release “large volumes” of wastewater laced with toxic heavy metals.

The EPA released the documents following weeks of prodding from media organisations. The agency and contract workers accidentally unleashed 3 million gallons of contaminated wastewater on 5 August, as they inspected the idled Gold King Mine near Silverton, Colorado.

Among the documents is a June 2014 work order for a planned cleanup that noted that the old mine had not been accessible since 1995, when the entrance partially collapsed. The plan appears to have been produced by Environmental Restoration, a private contractor working for EPA.

“This condition has likely caused impounding of water behind the collapse,” the report says. “In addition, other collapses within the workings may have occurred creating additional water impounding conditions.

“Conditions may exist that could result in a blowout of the blockages and cause a release of large volumes of contaminated mine waters and sediment from inside the mine, which contain concentrated heavy metals.”

A subsequent May 2015 action plan for the mine also notes the potential for a blowout.

There are at least three ongoing investigations into exactly how EPA triggered the disaster, which tainted rivers in Colorado, New Mexico and Utah with lead, arsenic and other contaminates. EPA says its water testing has shown contamination levels have since fallen back to pre-spill levels, though experts warn the heavy metals have likely sunk and mixed with bottom sediments that could someday be stirred back up.

The documents, which the agency released about 10.30pm ET, do not include any account of what happened immediately before or after the spill. The wastewater flowed into a tributary of the Animas and San Juan rivers, turning them a sickly yellow.


Source
After weeks of prodding, they admit they knew of the risk of accident. This is just too rich. No way a private company gets away with the delay, and casting this as Oops Ma, I let a 3 million gallons into a stream (but don't worry, it was really this other bunch that created the potential). Night and day. The usual types saying the shit don't stink when the govt does it.

I bet some wish it'd been contracted out to a Halliburton-esque company that made the error. That would've seen six months to a year of play dogging GOP candidates about poor environmental standards and what they were going to do to prevent the next poisoned river.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46206 Posts
August 23 2015 22:49 GMT
#44562
Trump wants Palin, Coulter, Cruz, and Carson to join him. Gives new meaning to the term "Suicide Squad."

http://americannews.com/trump-makes-major-announcement-about-ben-carson/

(Apologies, as my phone won't let me paste the article's content.)
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
August 23 2015 22:59 GMT
#44563
Ann Coulter as his Homeland Security Chief


Omg this would be so funny
rip passion
Velocirapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States983 Posts
August 23 2015 23:10 GMT
#44564
On August 24 2015 07:59 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
Ann Coulter as his Homeland Security Chief


Omg this would be so funny


Ann Coulter would be a REALLY funny secretary of state. I always wondered how Sarah Palin got elected into a major public office. Even if being a wholesome family values christian is somehow a requirement to get elected in Alaska she can't possibly be one of the best and brightest within those limits. When she was picked up to run for vice president I was pretty much on top of her media appearances and I have never seen any video where she came off well.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46206 Posts
August 23 2015 23:40 GMT
#44565
On August 24 2015 07:59 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
Ann Coulter as his Homeland Security Chief


Omg this would be so funny


"Convert to Christianity or else you'll be deported, jailed, or killed for posing an imminent threat to America."
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 23 2015 23:54 GMT
#44566
On August 24 2015 07:59 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
Ann Coulter as his Homeland Security Chief


Omg this would be so funny
Oh if only there was a world where this was a binding agreement on assuming the presidency, with her promise she would take the job. Daydreaming ain't good for me.


("special tactics" on the related wiki, wow"

Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 24 2015 00:31 GMT
#44567
I like how he is going to defund sanctuary cities, because that is something the president can do. Cut off federal funding to cities. And the 76,000 released criminal illegal immigrants with zero citation was a good laugh.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
August 24 2015 01:31 GMT
#44568
On August 24 2015 09:31 Plansix wrote:
I like how he is going to defund sanctuary cities, because that is something the president can do. Cut off federal funding to cities. And the 76,000 released criminal illegal immigrants with zero citation was a good laugh.


I read somewhere that most of the grants they are talking about cancelling are used for paying for police salaries. Pretty funny when you think about it.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46206 Posts
August 24 2015 02:01 GMT
#44569
On August 24 2015 08:10 Velocirapture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2015 07:59 Deathstar wrote:
Ann Coulter as his Homeland Security Chief


Omg this would be so funny


Ann Coulter would be a REALLY funny secretary of state. I always wondered how Sarah Palin got elected into a major public office. Even if being a wholesome family values christian is somehow a requirement to get elected in Alaska she can't possibly be one of the best and brightest within those limits. When she was picked up to run for vice president I was pretty much on top of her media appearances and I have never seen any video where she came off well.


Two words: Soccer Mom.

Besides being a super-religious, super-conservative woman, she ran on the platform that she was just like everyone else, a normal old American minivan-driving soccer mom.

The problem, of course, is that many people don't want a soccer mom to be vice president. Relatibility is nice, but I want the leaders of my country to be smarter than me or some random housewife/ househusband.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
August 24 2015 02:26 GMT
#44570
Well i'm pretty sure your typical housemom never becomes governor of a state. That was just her angle. Give her more credit lol.

Then again, Rick Perry became governor too. Hmm
rip passion
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
August 24 2015 03:00 GMT
#44571
On August 24 2015 02:37 LimpingGoat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2015 01:47 kwizach wrote:
On August 24 2015 01:38 LimpingGoat wrote:
I mean what politician talks specifics all the time. None of them.

There's a difference between not talking specifics all the time and never talking specifics at all because you make things up on the fly as you go. Trump is a joke of a candidate with regards to substance.


I think if you paid more attention to the more mainstream politicians running you'd see that they are just as without substance as Trump is. They generally just mention goals and what they want to address. At least Trump says basically "I'm going to use my business experience to make this stuff happen" which is more than what Hillary or even Bernie will say which is basically that they don't have any particular idea of how they are going to get what they want to get done done if they are elected.

I do pay attention to the other people running, thank you very much, and your assertions are false. Trump simply is not on the same level as Clinton and Sanders in terms of substance and policy plans & proposals.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 24 2015 04:24 GMT
#44572
On August 24 2015 12:00 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2015 02:37 LimpingGoat wrote:
On August 24 2015 01:47 kwizach wrote:
On August 24 2015 01:38 LimpingGoat wrote:
I mean what politician talks specifics all the time. None of them.

There's a difference between not talking specifics all the time and never talking specifics at all because you make things up on the fly as you go. Trump is a joke of a candidate with regards to substance.


I think if you paid more attention to the more mainstream politicians running you'd see that they are just as without substance as Trump is. They generally just mention goals and what they want to address. At least Trump says basically "I'm going to use my business experience to make this stuff happen" which is more than what Hillary or even Bernie will say which is basically that they don't have any particular idea of how they are going to get what they want to get done done if they are elected.

I do pay attention to the other people running, thank you very much, and your assertions are false. Trump simply is not on the same level as Clinton and Sanders in terms of substance and policy plans & proposals.


What incentive has he had to give specifics? Specifics get attacked, no matter what. What incentive do you see Trump as having at this point?
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 24 2015 06:23 GMT
#44573
Vice President Joe Biden, who has long been considering a presidential bid, is increasingly leaning toward entering the race if it is still possible he can knit together a competitive campaign at this late date, people familiar with the matter said.

Mr. Biden still could opt to sit out the 2016 race, and he is weighing multiple political, financial and family considerations before making a final decision. But conversations about the possibility were a prominent feature of an August stay in South Carolina and his home in Delaware last week, these people said. A surprise weekend trip to Washington to meet with Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D., Mass.), a darling of the party’s liberal wing, represented a pivot from potential to likely candidate, one Biden supporter said.

“The vice president has not made a decision about his political future,” Biden spokeswoman Kendra Barkoff said. “Anyone speculating that he has made a decision is wrong.”

Mr. Biden would enter as a clear underdog. Polling shows Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton running far ahead of the vice president, who would be building a campaign team largely from scratch. Mrs. Clinton, who declared her candidacy four months ago, has a robust campaign operation and an outside super PAC raising money on her behalf.
WSJ
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 24 2015 12:59 GMT
#44574
I am not going to lie, I would vote for Biden. He is very good at what he does and works well across party lines. And he really prides himself at keeping his feet on the ground and staying connected with people. Not something you can do as president, but I expect he would be self aware enough to know that.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
August 24 2015 13:48 GMT
#44575
The us stock market taking a complete shit is great for Trump right now. The Dow was down 1000 points today lmao
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
August 24 2015 13:56 GMT
#44576
Lock limit down.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 24 2015 13:57 GMT
#44577
Trump controls China apparently.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
August 24 2015 14:21 GMT
#44578
On August 24 2015 22:57 Plansix wrote:
Trump controls China apparently.

Yep the China crash is all his fault. Even fox news called Trump out on it.
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 24 2015 15:23 GMT
#44579
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
August 24 2015 17:00 GMT
#44580
On August 24 2015 07:36 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2015 03:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Internal documents released late on Friday show managers at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) were aware of the potential for a catastrophic “blowout” at an abandoned mine that could release “large volumes” of wastewater laced with toxic heavy metals.

The EPA released the documents following weeks of prodding from media organisations. The agency and contract workers accidentally unleashed 3 million gallons of contaminated wastewater on 5 August, as they inspected the idled Gold King Mine near Silverton, Colorado.

Among the documents is a June 2014 work order for a planned cleanup that noted that the old mine had not been accessible since 1995, when the entrance partially collapsed. The plan appears to have been produced by Environmental Restoration, a private contractor working for EPA.

“This condition has likely caused impounding of water behind the collapse,” the report says. “In addition, other collapses within the workings may have occurred creating additional water impounding conditions.

“Conditions may exist that could result in a blowout of the blockages and cause a release of large volumes of contaminated mine waters and sediment from inside the mine, which contain concentrated heavy metals.”

A subsequent May 2015 action plan for the mine also notes the potential for a blowout.

There are at least three ongoing investigations into exactly how EPA triggered the disaster, which tainted rivers in Colorado, New Mexico and Utah with lead, arsenic and other contaminates. EPA says its water testing has shown contamination levels have since fallen back to pre-spill levels, though experts warn the heavy metals have likely sunk and mixed with bottom sediments that could someday be stirred back up.

The documents, which the agency released about 10.30pm ET, do not include any account of what happened immediately before or after the spill. The wastewater flowed into a tributary of the Animas and San Juan rivers, turning them a sickly yellow.


Source
After weeks of prodding, they admit they knew of the risk of accident. This is just too rich. No way a private company gets away with the delay, and casting this as Oops Ma, I let a 3 million gallons into a stream (but don't worry, it was really this other bunch that created the potential). Night and day. The usual types saying the shit don't stink when the govt does it.

I bet some wish it'd been contracted out to a Halliburton-esque company that made the error. That would've seen six months to a year of play dogging GOP candidates about poor environmental standards and what they were going to do to prevent the next poisoned river.


Yeah, well, it sucks and someone fucked up, but what's the alternative here? There are tons of toxic waste sites spread out across America that the EPA is maintaining and monitoring. Who else is going to do that, other than a government agency? The EPA does a really good job of it, too, for the most part, there are thousands of these sites but you rarely ever hear about them (this show the general success of the program). My guess is that this was a "superfund" site, which is overall a good program.

Also, it's important to note that the fund that the EPA has to deal with these sites has been repeatedly gutted by Congress in the recent past. Agencies tend to perform worse when faced with drastic budget cuts.
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