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Plansix
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On August 22 2015 05:01 xDaunt wrote: So are you liberals ready to throw Hillary overboard yet? If not, how much more of this worsening email scandal do you need to see? I don't see anything about this email thing as bad at all. I don't see what about this would make her a bad president. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On August 22 2015 05:15 Mohdoo wrote: I don't see anything about this email thing as bad at all. I don't see what about this would make her a bad president. Well if all of the allegations are true, it would mean she was careless with classified information, making her a security risk, and then lied about it when called out. I realize that all politicians are painted with the "untrustworthy" brush, but these aren't the characteristics we typically look for in a president. The fact that she put herself in this position at all screams of incompetence, even if she didn't have any classified documents on her private server. Also not a characteristic I look for in a president. | ||
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Plansix
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Simberto
Germany11528 Posts
On August 22 2015 05:14 Plansix wrote: How many totally functional socialist nations are there in EU right now? By american standards? Probably all of the european nations count as socialist, and they are all functioning pretty well (except greece) | ||
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whatisthisasheep
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On August 22 2015 05:01 xDaunt wrote: So are you liberals ready to throw Hillary overboard yet? If not, how much more of this worsening email scandal do you need to see? No? not that I was a major supporter of Hillary anyways, just that she's a reasonable possibility, among several reasonable possibilities. Also not sure if I'm one of the "you liberals" I'd need to see something much worse out of the email scandal, like an indictment or a conviction. It's also far too early to give up on any reasonable candidate or prospect. It reminds me of when the repubs were in their "can we find anyone other than Romney?" phase. Ultimately they had to settle on Romney of course. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On August 22 2015 05:22 ZasZ. wrote: Well if all of the allegations are true, it would mean she was careless with classified information, making her a security risk, and then lied about it when called out. I realize that all politicians are painted with the "untrustworthy" brush, but these aren't the characteristics we typically look for in a president. The fact that she put herself in this position at all screams of incompetence, even if she didn't have any classified documents on her private server. Also not a characteristic I look for in a president. Am I really the one only one who thinks being stupid about email can be localized? Are we really saying she would just trip and fall over every security protocol and leak tons of shit? I really just don't get what people are saying they are afraid will happen. I feel like this is all totally exaggerated and people aren't laying out specific concerns. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 22 2015 06:04 Mohdoo wrote: I havent' seen anything showing that she leaked anything through the private email. Also, its would be weird if the State department was sending in encrypted files to an non-government email account. "Oh sure, I'll send this secure documents to HClinton420@comcast.net. No problem boss." Just seems like an excuse to drag her in front of congress a lot. Am I really the one only one who thinks being stupid about email can be localized? Are we really saying she would just trip and fall over every security protocol and leak tons of shit? I really just don't get what people are saying they are afraid will happen. I feel like this is all totally exaggerated and people aren't laying out specific concerns. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21712 Posts
Would still rather have her then any of the Republican candidates tho. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Plansix
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Sermokala
United States13957 Posts
On August 22 2015 06:26 Plansix wrote: As Gorsameth said, that might be valid. But the Republicans have been dragging her before congress for the last 2 years over and over to the point where they are shouting at the rain. Unless she ordered a hit on Joe Biden via that email, no one is going to give a shit. Belive it or not leaking classified information is a crime. She might not be able to actually be president in 2 years. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18011 Posts
On August 22 2015 06:39 Sermokala wrote: Belive it or not leaking classified information is a crime. She might not be able to actually be president in 2 years. And if there actually was classified information in there and it actually leaked (prove it), then she might get convicted. However, for the moment, all that has happened is that a bunch of republicans are bellowing about it, and everybody else is thinking "not this again". | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 22 2015 06:09 Plansix wrote: Let's say some new mystery thriller book by Daniel Silva or Brad Thor opens with the situation that led to the security breach. If either had written that the chief foreign policy official of the USA stuck her server containing the most confidential business of the US in some guy's apartment bathroom in Colorado, he'd be laughed out of town. Nobody would buy that plot. It's too farcical.I havent' seen anything showing that she leaked anything through the private email. Also, its would be weird if the State department was sending in encrypted files to an non-government email account. "Oh sure, I'll send this secure documents to HClinton420@comcast.net. No problem boss." Just seems like an excuse to drag her in front of congress a lot. Yet here we are with a leading presidential candidate pushing on through this behavior acting like it's no big deal. The truth is stranger than fiction. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18011 Posts
On August 22 2015 06:45 Danglars wrote: Let's say some new mystery thriller book by Daniel Silva or Brad Thor opens with the situation that led to the security breach. If either had written that the chief foreign policy official of the USA stuck her server containing the most confidential business of the US in some guy's apartment bathroom in Colorado, he'd be laughed out of town. Nobody would buy that plot. It's too farcical. Yet here we are with a leading presidential candidate pushing on through this behavior acting like it's no big deal. The truth is stranger than fiction. So because something makes a bad plot for a thriller, it is.. what exactly? The reality is generally far more mundane than the plot of thrillers. Now I agree with you that what Clinton did was not the brightest of actions, but the investigation so far seems more like tabloids desperately trying to get something to stick than that there is actually something wrong with what she did. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13957 Posts
On August 22 2015 06:42 Acrofales wrote: And if there actually was classified information in there and it actually leaked (prove it), then she might get convicted. However, for the moment, all that has happened is that a bunch of republicans are bellowing about it, and everybody else is thinking "not this again". Its not completely without warrant though. If shes decided to use "all" her emails on a private server managed by a non governmental agency thats a security issue at the least and a criminal one at the most. with all the tens of thousands of emails that they're still going though theres a legitimate chance that there still might be one or more that are classified or should have been labeled classified. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 22 2015 05:13 KwarK wrote: At least, that's what Bernie's poll numbers indicate right now. If he can clinch his party's nomination, we'll really see how legitimate in the eyes of the American public unabashed socialism is.Moderate socialism is a legitimate political stance, not a troll stance. | ||
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Kickstart
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