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whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
August 21 2015 14:51 GMT
#44441
Here is an article of law that gives Trump validity to his claim that Anchor babies are not citizens:

In the Slaughter-House Cases, 83 U.S. 36 (1873) — a civil rights case not dealing specifically with birthright citizenship — a majority of the Supreme Court mentioned in passing that "the phrase 'subject to its jurisdiction' was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States".[38]

The 14th Amendment was designed to prevent the denial of citizenship to former slaves. In invalidated Dred Scott v. Sanford. Justice Roger B. Taney in the majority opinion in Dred Scott v. Sanford 60 U.S. (How. 19) 393 (1857) held that African Americans, whether slave or free, had never been and could never become citizens of the United States, as they were excluded by the Constitution


Trumps lawyers definitely have have more evidence than I have found so far. I can see them pulling this off.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 15:08:59
August 21 2015 15:08 GMT
#44442
Obiter dictum (more usually used in the plural, obiter dicta) is Latin for a word said "by the way",[1] that is, a remark in a judgment that is "said in passing". It is a concept derived from English common law. For the purposes of judicial precedent, ratio decidendi is binding, whereas obiter dicta are persuasive only.


Obiter dictum
Gonna need a lot more than that.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 15:16:09
August 21 2015 15:14 GMT
#44443
You might want to look up that case and was the dispute was. The ruling has nothing to do with being born in the US, but how the 14th amendment is applied rights conveyed by the states.

On August 22 2015 00:08 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
Obiter dictum (more usually used in the plural, obiter dicta) is Latin for a word said "by the way",[1] that is, a remark in a judgment that is "said in passing". It is a concept derived from English common law. For the purposes of judicial precedent, ratio decidendi is binding, whereas obiter dicta are persuasive only.


Obiter dictum
Gonna need a lot more than that.


Well played. I forgot about that phrase. The quoted section has nothing to do with the courts ruling.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
August 21 2015 15:15 GMT
#44444
In a 5-4 decision issued on April 14, 1873, by Justice Samuel Freeman Miller, the Court held to a narrow interpretation of the amendment and ruled that it did not restrict the police powers of the state. The Court held that the Fourteenth Amendment's Privileges or Immunities clause affected only rights of United States citizenship and not state citizenship. Therefore the butchers' Fourteenth Amendment rights had not been violated. At the time, the Court viewed due process in a procedural light rather than substantively. The Court further held that the amendment was primarily intended to protect former slaves and so could not be broadly applied.


I don't think your use of the Slaughter House case helps to claim that anchor babies don't get US citizenship.
Yargh
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 16:52:37
August 21 2015 16:38 GMT
#44445
Slaughter house cases are generally thought to be anti-constitutional to begin with. The entire line of substantive due process cases has overruled them in practice, just using a separate clause of the 14th amendment.

On August 21 2015 16:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:
No, my concern is entirely that the article summary says "Illinois' Republican governor on Thursday signed a law banning mental health therapists from trying to change a young person's sexual orientation or gender identity" and I have absolutely no idea what the law considers to be a "change" and what exactly it considers to be a young person's "sexual orientation or gender identity."

Because without reading the legal text, those wordings sound so ambiguous that anything could happen. If a doctor evaluates a transgendered person and declares that they are not, does that mean the doctor is barring said person from getting therapy and help?

If a parent doesn't like their child being transgendered or gay, can they use this law as a bludgeon to force legal costs on therapists helping children to transition or come out by accusing the therapist of "changing" their child?


So basically, you hated the policy because you saw the word "Republican"
Freeeeeeedom
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 17:26:24
August 21 2015 17:23 GMT
#44446
Apparently, Trump has a football stadium with 35,000 people for his speech tonight in Alabama.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/20/politics/donald-trump-alabama-event-moved/index.html
Bernie better step it up because even the Boogeyman cant stump the Trump.
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18291 Posts
August 21 2015 17:28 GMT
#44447
I am continuously in doubt whether whatissheep's coverage of the Trump campaign is him seriously rooting for "the Donald", or is tongue-in-cheek. Then again, to an outsider like myself, the whole Trump campaign looks line one giant joke, so I guess it is really hard for me to see someone ernestly stumping for Trump.

The whole thing would really make far more sense to me if Trump were to appear on the news next week or so and yell "hahahahaha April fools", because despite it not being April, that is still really the only thing that makes sense to me.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 21 2015 17:38 GMT
#44448
By the name note, Jon Stewart could pull the exact same number of people. I don't know if he would win the general election. One of the main problems with these crowds and polls is that we can't be sure how seriously people are taking the election that is over a year away. Deez Nuts is a pretty clear example there are a reasonable amount of people who don't care or are just watching for the circus.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 21 2015 18:04 GMT
#44449
On August 22 2015 02:28 Acrofales wrote:
I am continuously in doubt whether whatissheep's coverage of the Trump campaign is him seriously rooting for "the Donald", or is tongue-in-cheek. Then again, to an outsider like myself, the whole Trump campaign looks line one giant joke, so I guess it is really hard for me to see someone ernestly stumping for Trump.

The whole thing would really make far more sense to me if Trump were to appear on the news next week or so and yell "hahahahaha April fools", because despite it not being April, that is still really the only thing that makes sense to me.
The real joke is GOP establishment positions on illegal immigration. Two parties, pretty much one immigration position amongst elites. So along comes this buffoon with some kernel of sanity amidst the hilarity. He's got mainstream GOP candidates pushing back against him, but who themselves hold insane positions on the tide of millions of illegal immigrants. I welcome the disruption, though will not support Trump in my state's primary.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 21 2015 18:04 GMT
#44450
On August 22 2015 02:38 Plansix wrote:
By the name note, Jon Stewart could pull the exact same number of people. I don't know if he would win the general election. One of the main problems with these crowds and polls is that we can't be sure how seriously people are taking the election that is over a year away. Deez Nuts is a pretty clear example there are a reasonable amount of people who don't care or are just watching for the circus.


Just walking through some thoughts about Stewart 2016:

A lot of people like him and if they squinted would probably agree that he's a smart and fairly charismatic guy who could potentially be a good president. Oh, and he comes baggage free. The demographic that likes him would "know better" than to consider him a serious candidate, and they usually have lousy turnout.

Oh heck, if Jon Stewart cobbled together a reasonable platform and nabbed a few advisors, I'm sure he could make a decent run. He could probably kickstarter his campaign and do pretty well.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 21 2015 18:17 GMT
#44451
On August 22 2015 03:04 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 02:28 Acrofales wrote:
I am continuously in doubt whether whatissheep's coverage of the Trump campaign is him seriously rooting for "the Donald", or is tongue-in-cheek. Then again, to an outsider like myself, the whole Trump campaign looks line one giant joke, so I guess it is really hard for me to see someone ernestly stumping for Trump.

The whole thing would really make far more sense to me if Trump were to appear on the news next week or so and yell "hahahahaha April fools", because despite it not being April, that is still really the only thing that makes sense to me.
The real joke is GOP establishment positions on illegal immigration. Two parties, pretty much one immigration position amongst elites. So along comes this buffoon with some kernel of sanity amidst the hilarity. He's got mainstream GOP candidates pushing back against him, but who themselves hold insane positions on the tide of millions of illegal immigrants. I welcome the disruption, though will not support Trump in my state's primary.


Would you vote for him over Clinton or Biden?
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 18:21:47
August 21 2015 18:21 GMT
#44452
On August 22 2015 03:04 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 02:38 Plansix wrote:
By the name note, Jon Stewart could pull the exact same number of people. I don't know if he would win the general election. One of the main problems with these crowds and polls is that we can't be sure how seriously people are taking the election that is over a year away. Deez Nuts is a pretty clear example there are a reasonable amount of people who don't care or are just watching for the circus.


Just walking through some thoughts about Stewart 2016:

A lot of people like him and if they squinted would probably agree that he's a smart and fairly charismatic guy who could potentially be a good president. Oh, and he comes baggage free. The demographic that likes him would "know better" than to consider him a serious candidate, and they usually have lousy turnout.

Oh heck, if Jon Stewart cobbled together a reasonable platform and nabbed a few advisors, I'm sure he could make a decent run. He could probably kickstarter his campaign and do pretty well.


Jon looked exhausted by the end of his show. I'm almost certain he would never want to be in that position.

That's kinda how I feel about the petition for him to moderate a DNC debate. I think he would be a great moderator, but I think he just wants to rest for a while.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 21 2015 18:23 GMT
#44453
On August 22 2015 03:21 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 03:04 ticklishmusic wrote:
On August 22 2015 02:38 Plansix wrote:
By the name note, Jon Stewart could pull the exact same number of people. I don't know if he would win the general election. One of the main problems with these crowds and polls is that we can't be sure how seriously people are taking the election that is over a year away. Deez Nuts is a pretty clear example there are a reasonable amount of people who don't care or are just watching for the circus.


Just walking through some thoughts about Stewart 2016:

A lot of people like him and if they squinted would probably agree that he's a smart and fairly charismatic guy who could potentially be a good president. Oh, and he comes baggage free. The demographic that likes him would "know better" than to consider him a serious candidate, and they usually have lousy turnout.

Oh heck, if Jon Stewart cobbled together a reasonable platform and nabbed a few advisors, I'm sure he could make a decent run. He could probably kickstarter his campaign and do pretty well.


Jon looked exhausted by the end of his show. I'm almost certain he would never want to be in that position.

That's kinda how I feel about the petition for him to moderate a DNC debate. I think he would be a great moderator, but I think he just wants to rest for a while.

His said "I would like to see my family. I'm told they are nice people." I doubt he is going to be doing much but sitting on the sidelines for several years.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 21 2015 18:25 GMT
#44454
On August 22 2015 03:23 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 03:21 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On August 22 2015 03:04 ticklishmusic wrote:
On August 22 2015 02:38 Plansix wrote:
By the name note, Jon Stewart could pull the exact same number of people. I don't know if he would win the general election. One of the main problems with these crowds and polls is that we can't be sure how seriously people are taking the election that is over a year away. Deez Nuts is a pretty clear example there are a reasonable amount of people who don't care or are just watching for the circus.


Just walking through some thoughts about Stewart 2016:

A lot of people like him and if they squinted would probably agree that he's a smart and fairly charismatic guy who could potentially be a good president. Oh, and he comes baggage free. The demographic that likes him would "know better" than to consider him a serious candidate, and they usually have lousy turnout.

Oh heck, if Jon Stewart cobbled together a reasonable platform and nabbed a few advisors, I'm sure he could make a decent run. He could probably kickstarter his campaign and do pretty well.


Jon looked exhausted by the end of his show. I'm almost certain he would never want to be in that position.

That's kinda how I feel about the petition for him to moderate a DNC debate. I think he would be a great moderator, but I think he just wants to rest for a while.

His said "I would like to see my family. I'm told they are nice people." I doubt he is going to be doing much but sitting on the sidelines for several years.


Exactly. And he deserves it.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 21 2015 20:01 GMT
#44455
So are you liberals ready to throw Hillary overboard yet? If not, how much more of this worsening email scandal do you need to see?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43989 Posts
August 21 2015 20:03 GMT
#44456
I think most of the left wingers on tl are wishing Trump to do as well as he can in the Republican primary and Clinton as badly as she can in the Democratic one. That'd be the path of least resistance for Bernie who is the candidate we'd recognize as actually being left wing, rather than just an American Democratic. Lots of non Americans here and Clinton is to them at best the lesser of two evils imo.
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whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 20:14:51
August 21 2015 20:11 GMT
#44457
On August 22 2015 05:03 KwarK wrote:
I think most of the left wingers on tl are wishing Trump to do as well as he can in the Republican primary and Clinton as badly as she can in the Democratic one. That'd be the path of least resistance for Bernie who is the candidate we'd recognize as actually being left wing, rather than just an American Democratic. Lots of non Americans here and Clinton is to them at best the lesser of two evils imo.

Sanders and Trump are both trolls. You have a socialist running as democrat and a democrat running as a republican. At least Dez Nuts tells you what he actually is. Bernie and Trump are cheap parlor tricks to boost news ratings.
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
August 21 2015 20:12 GMT
#44458
On August 22 2015 05:01 xDaunt wrote:
So are you liberals ready to throw Hillary overboard yet? If not, how much more of this worsening email scandal do you need to see?


I have never really liked Hillary that much, but she would still (IMO) be the lesser of two evils if she wins the nomination. I would personally prefer Bernie Sanders, and hopefully the email scandal is what primary voters need to realize that she is really not an attractive candidate. Even without the scandal, she is actually pretty terrible at campaigning...Bernie has a fraction of her budget but is much more vocal and accessible as a candidate. It just feels like she is absentee campaigning at the moment, waiting for...what exactly? Bernie to take all of her momentum away? Waiting for his momentum to run out? I don't know, but I don't buy her strategy.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43989 Posts
August 21 2015 20:13 GMT
#44459
Moderate socialism is a legitimate political stance, not a troll stance.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
August 21 2015 20:14 GMT
#44460
On August 22 2015 05:13 KwarK wrote:
Moderate socialism is a legitimate political stance, not a troll stance.


That's the dirty immigrant half of your brain talking KwarK. Don't worry, we'll make you a full-blown Murican soon enough, just let it happen.
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