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On August 19 2015 12:58 whatisthisasheep wrote: O'reilly grilled Trump on how he is going to get rid of the 14th amendment. Trump agrues anchor babies are not US citizens, therefore the 14th amendment does not apply. His lawyers will use that fact to force mass deportations.
The obvious issue with that is that Trump is factually wrong. It doesn't matter what he thinks.
On August 19 2015 12:59 Plansix wrote: And we have arrived where the conservatives tells us there isn't a need for feminism any more. Sexism isn't a problem because these boys say so. It would be funny if it wasn't so predictable.
I'm not a conservative, and your personal insult is a clear sign that you've all ready lost the debate. Oh, but I'll indulge a little anyway. Guess what, the Steinem stalinist factions aren't the only feminist perspective, besides, these people are like antiquated 20th Century bureaucracies and industry that try to justify their existence and hence their economic status-quo (NOW, etc.) with mission creep. It's not enough to stop at civics and business, the need continues to policing thought and the culture itself. There's a reason why people like Paglia and the 60s faction of feminists can't stand what contemporary feminism has become. Of course, you threw in the sexist, you're a guy, so you can't say anything/know anything. Why do you hate men so much? I mean, we only make up the vast majority of the homeless, the on the job deaths, the prison population, lose our asses in the legal entity known as marriage, have nasty stereotypes and legal prejudice against fathers and fatherhood (the vast majority of custodianship is with the Mother and the media portrays the Father figure as incompetent and disinterested boobs), die younger and have less money going to something like prostate cancer than breast cancer and we die on average in a shorter time once diagnosed with cancer, etc. But, hey, women are disadvantaged and need your protection and help...but wait, you're a guy (I presume) so how can you say anything about sexism since you obviously know nothing, like me, because I'm a guy too!
There isn't much of a debate. You are just rehashing the same garbage points every Internet anti feminist makes. Right down to the "we die earlier" and "there are stereotypes about us too" Anyone who is mildly vocal about women's issues on the Internet has had this debate and knows the dance. Its not worth my time to change your mind. You can now claim victory over feminism again.
On August 19 2015 13:19 Plansix wrote: There isn't much of a debate. You are just rehashing the same garbage points every Internet anti feminist makes. Right down to the "we die earlier" and "there are stereotypes about us too" Anyone who is mildly vocal about women's issues on the Internet has had this debate and knows the dance. Its not worth my time to change your mind. You can now claim victory over feminism again.
On August 19 2015 13:19 Plansix wrote: There isn't much of a debate. You are just rehashing the same garbage points every Internet anti feminist makes. Right down to the "we die earlier" and "there are stereotypes about us too" Anyone who is mildly vocal about women's issues on the Internet has had this debate and knows the dance. Its not worth my time to change your mind. You can now claim victory over feminism again.
On August 19 2015 12:59 Plansix wrote: And we have arrived where the conservatives tells us there isn't a need for feminism any more. Sexism isn't a problem because these boys say so. It would be funny if it wasn't so predictable.
I'm not a conservative, and your personal insult is a clear sign that you've all ready lost the debate. Oh, but I'll indulge a little anyway. Guess what, the Steinem stalinist factions aren't the only feminist perspective, besides, these people are like antiquated 20th Century bureaucracies and industry that try to justify their existence and hence their economic status-quo (NOW, etc.) with mission creep. It's not enough to stop at civics and business, the need continues to policing thought and the culture itself. There's a reason why people like Paglia and the 60s faction of feminists can't stand what contemporary feminism has become. Of course, you threw in the sexist, you're a guy, so you can't say anything/know anything. Why do you hate men so much? I mean, we only make up the vast majority of the homeless, the on the job deaths, the prison population, lose our asses in the legal entity known as marriage, have nasty stereotypes and legal prejudice against fathers and fatherhood (the vast majority of custodianship is with the Mother and the media portrays the Father figure as incompetent and disinterested boobs), die younger and have less money going to something like prostate cancer than breast cancer and we die on average in a shorter time once diagnosed with cancer, etc. But, hey, women are disadvantaged and need your protection and help...but wait, you're a guy (I presume) so how can you say anything about sexism since you obviously know nothing, like me, because I'm a guy too!
You know, I never see homelessness and work related deaths mentioned by most anti-feminists until feminism is brought up. It is as if these issues suddenly become important when the imaginary Tumblrite is around.
Or you do not seem to care about hazardous labor conditions or homelessness and more interested in fighting the Tumblr NWO.
On August 19 2015 12:59 Plansix wrote: And we have arrived where the conservatives tells us there isn't a need for feminism any more. Sexism isn't a problem because these boys say so. It would be funny if it wasn't so predictable.
I'm not a conservative, and your personal insult is a clear sign that you've all ready lost the debate. Oh, but I'll indulge a little anyway. Guess what, the Steinem stalinist factions aren't the only feminist perspective, besides, these people are like antiquated 20th Century bureaucracies and industry that try to justify their existence and hence their economic status-quo (NOW, etc.) with mission creep. It's not enough to stop at civics and business, the need continues to policing thought and the culture itself. There's a reason why people like Paglia and the 60s faction of feminists can't stand what contemporary feminism has become. Of course, you threw in the sexist, you're a guy, so you can't say anything/know anything. Why do you hate men so much? I mean, we only make up the vast majority of the homeless, the on the job deaths, the prison population, lose our asses in the legal entity known as marriage, have nasty stereotypes and legal prejudice against fathers and fatherhood (the vast majority of custodianship is with the Mother and the media portrays the Father figure as incompetent and disinterested boobs), die younger and have less money going to something like prostate cancer than breast cancer and we die on average in a shorter time once diagnosed with cancer, etc. But, hey, women are disadvantaged and need your protection and help...but wait, you're a guy (I presume) so how can you say anything about sexism since you obviously know nothing, like me, because I'm a guy too!
You know, I never see homelessness and work related deaths mentioned by most anti-feminists until feminism is brought up. It is as if these issues suddenly become important when the imaginary Tumblrite is around.
Or you do not seem to care about hazardous labor conditions or homelessness and more interested in fighting the Tumblr NWO.
I'll bite. I've talked about work-related deaths many times here, and I'm pretty rabidly anti-war, which has been the major cause of contemporary homelessness as veterans make up the vast majority of the homeless. Besides, even if I never did before, it doesn't take away those facts. It's not even like it's close. Men make up 99% of on the job deaths and 85% of the homeless.
If only modern feminism and post-modernism was confined to Tumblr. It's infested western society and culture.
As an independent, I saw the addition of Palin to the ticket in 2008 to be very suspect. It reeked of a desperate candidate trying to get a boost in the polls, so he enlisted a woman governor to be VP without doing proper vetting. It seemed more like, "Hey, we've got a woman VP candidate, see, we don't hate women. Vote for us." She was just added to the ticket by McCain, nobody nominated her in. She was a useful idiot... until she had to do interviews and debate and people found out that she was a useless idiot. However, I don't see Fiorina or Carson as useful idiots. They are candidates that stand on their own and are attempting to get elected on their own merits.
As for current candidates. If we count current polling as their % chance of becoming the candidate, then Hillary's 54.5% is higher than the combined total of Carson, Rubio, Cruz, Fiorina, and Jindal at 31.3%. (RealClearPolitics.com used for poll numbers). So it's still much more likely that a woman or minority will become the candidate for the Democrats than for the Republicans despite the five woman/minority candidates in the Republican field this year.
As for the Governor thing. There are 3 female Democrats and 3 female Republicans as governors according to my count. Maggie Hassan (D) - New Hampshire Susana Martinez (R) - New Mexico Mary Fallin (R) - Oklahoma Kate Brown (D) - Oregon Gina Raimondo (D) - Rhode Island Nikki Haley (R) - South Carolina
Considering that there are 31 total Republican governors compared to 18 Democrats (and one independent), the democrats have a higher percentage of women. However, women are woefully underrepresented by both parties as governors.
Switching gears to Trump, I actually don't hate him. The first response in the article that Deathstar posted a few pages back + Show Spoiler +
On August 18 2015 11:48 Deathstar wrote: I love this article in the Atlantic Title: What do Donald Trump voters actually want? http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/donald-trump-voters/401408/ Btw I have no intention of voting for Donald Trump. I am with Sanders thoroughly, and I'm in a Blue state anyway. But I do find Donald Trump very intriguing and desirable as a candidate for the presidency. There is a table of contents, but here is one:
I have been a liberal practically all of my life (29 years). I am an atheist, and my first ever Presidential vote was cast for John Kerry. I more or less despised George Bush, and even though I leaned toward Hillary in 2008, I voted for Obama in 2012. I support gay marriage, legalization of marijuana, and many other liberal positions.
I do, however, believe that our country is in a terrible position and on a terrible track. Trump strikes many of my nerves, but one of the most accurate and dangerously true statements he has made is that "America doesn't win anymore." I agree. The world is rising while America falls. America and its leaders seem resigned to this fact. Rather than stiffening their spine and fighting to make America a prosperous nation for all, they simply talk, go through the motions, throw out a few "red meat" issues to keep their respective bases satisfied, and continue to concede American jobs and economic strength to the rest of the world.
To friends and family, I have long railed against the fact that America uses Presidential rejects and other back-bench political cronies as their chief negotiators. John Kerry (yes, the man I voted for) was out-negotiated time and time again by his Russian counterpart. And now, it appears that the same thing has happened once again with the Iran negotiators. This all ties back to the same fundamental thread: politicians have failed this country, leading to one loss after another.
I do not believe that I am a racist, sexist, homophobic, or any other negative label that has been affixed to Trump supports. Rather, I feel that political correctness has run amok in this country, and we now live in a society where every blogger and Twitter user is searching for the slightest offense so they can try to ruin another human (famous, or not). The average person is afraid of expressing any controversial opinion in a public forum for fear of being "exposed," made viral, and ruined, personally and/or professionally. It is heartening to see someone as confident and impervious to criticism as Trump standing up to this ever-present mob…and winning! People tend to support the underdog. Most media outlets have attacked Trump with so much vitriol that they have turned him into a sympathetic figure.
Yes, I really do feel that Donald Trump has the interests of America at heart. He has already made his money and lived a life of glamour and fame, and another few billion dollars won't have any real impact on his quality of life. Rather, I genuinely believe that Trump feels the need to fight for the country he loves. There once was a time when people could actually feel proud to be Americans, and Trump comes from a generation that experienced that feeling. Now, many are embarrassed to be associated with this country. Jobs are being outsourced with reckless abandon and this country is literally being hollowed out. Economic statistics do no justice to this reality, and the average American knows this to be true.
Trump supporters feel that a confident, strong-willed leader is needed to right the ship and to fight back against the perpetual decline this country has experienced for the last two-plus decades. And to be honest, I feel that Trump is our only hope in this next election. This is coming from someone who voted for Obama in the last election! Anyway, that's my story and the main reasons why I support Trump. I didn't plan out this response for days or try to make this all-inclusive, but this should give you a fair idea of why I, a liberal, support Donald Trump for president.
Other interesting ones include: Trump Knows It’s All a Joke Bush Was a Disaster and Obama Felt Like One
2) Obama: I supported Obama the first time, and reluctantly the second time. I think he saved America. BUT. Obama failed big time in overcoming the partisan divide. He put his cronies in charge. Worst of all, he appears weak. Like an intellectual. Intellectuals make simple things complicated, and FAIL in real life. Because while real life may be complicated, you create progress by making it simple. By getting things done. Stop thinking, start doing. Stop considering, make a decision.
A Bernie Sanders Supporter Who’d Vote Trump Over Clinton
It is not that Trump supporters necessarily trust Trump to be their champion or that he can be relied upon to deliver better than other politicians. It is the confidence that he can't do worse (and just might do better). In the meantime, his supporters relish the contempt he shows toward the mainstream media and politicians (a contempt which is shared not just by Tea Party conservatives, but many educated liberals and independents). I am a Bernie Sanders supporter. But if I had to vote for any Republican, it would certainly be Trump. In a face off between Hillary Clinton and Trump, I again would vote Trump. While he might not deliver on his promises, he would certainly be a bull in the China shop of contemporary American politics, which has long needed destroying and rebuilding.
definitely resonated with me. There's too much BS and not enough getting done. We could use a strong-willed (even if a bit ego-maniacal) leader to push through reforms. We need to get past this PC crap and get to a point where people can speak honestly. I'd rather that a candidate speak honestly, even if it makes him an asshole, than give more more politically correct BS which guarantees that he/she is an asshole.
Trump isn't my candidate because he has a lot of poorly thought out ideas. However, I would like to see a candidate who has a similar no-nonsense attitude with better ideas. I have faith that president Trump would deal with the immigration issue. However, I don't think he'd do it in a very humanitarian way. I also think that building a literal wall across our southern border is such a huge waste. So instead, why not a president that is clear and confident in what he wants to do with immigration reform, that handles it in a better way than building a wall?
On August 19 2015 14:07 RenSC2 wrote: As an independent, I saw the addition of Palin to the ticket in 2008 to be very suspect. It reeked of a desperate candidate trying to get a boost in the polls, so he enlisted a woman governor to be VP without doing proper vetting. It seemed more like, "Hey, we've got a woman VP candidate, see, we don't hate women. Vote for us." She was just added to the ticket by McCain, nobody nominated her in. She was a useful idiot... until she had to do interviews and debate and people found out that she was a useless idiot. However, I don't see Fiorina or Carson as useful idiots. They are candidates that stand on their own and are attempting to get elected on their own merits.
As for current candidates. If we count current polling as their % chance of becoming the candidate, then Hillary's 54.5% is higher than the combined total of Carson, Rubio, Cruz, Fiorina, and Jindal at 31.3%. (RealClearPolitics.com used for poll numbers). So it's still much more likely that a woman or minority will become the candidate for the Democrats than for the Republicans despite the five woman/minority candidates in the Republican field this year.
As for the Governor thing. There are 3 female Democrats and 3 female Republicans as governors according to my count. Maggie Hassan (D) - New Hampshire Susana Martinez (R) - New Mexico Mary Fallin (R) - Oklahoma Kate Brown (D) - Oregon Gina Raimondo (D) - Rhode Island Nikki Haley (R) - South Carolina
Considering that there are 31 total Republican governors compared to 18 Democrats (and one independent), the democrats have a higher percentage of women. However, women are woefully underrepresented by both parties as governors.
Switching gears to Trump, I actually don't hate him. The first response in the article that Deathstar posted a few pages back + Show Spoiler +
On August 18 2015 11:48 Deathstar wrote: I love this article in the Atlantic Title: What do Donald Trump voters actually want? http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/donald-trump-voters/401408/ Btw I have no intention of voting for Donald Trump. I am with Sanders thoroughly, and I'm in a Blue state anyway. But I do find Donald Trump very intriguing and desirable as a candidate for the presidency. There is a table of contents, but here is one:
I have been a liberal practically all of my life (29 years). I am an atheist, and my first ever Presidential vote was cast for John Kerry. I more or less despised George Bush, and even though I leaned toward Hillary in 2008, I voted for Obama in 2012. I support gay marriage, legalization of marijuana, and many other liberal positions.
I do, however, believe that our country is in a terrible position and on a terrible track. Trump strikes many of my nerves, but one of the most accurate and dangerously true statements he has made is that "America doesn't win anymore." I agree. The world is rising while America falls. America and its leaders seem resigned to this fact. Rather than stiffening their spine and fighting to make America a prosperous nation for all, they simply talk, go through the motions, throw out a few "red meat" issues to keep their respective bases satisfied, and continue to concede American jobs and economic strength to the rest of the world.
To friends and family, I have long railed against the fact that America uses Presidential rejects and other back-bench political cronies as their chief negotiators. John Kerry (yes, the man I voted for) was out-negotiated time and time again by his Russian counterpart. And now, it appears that the same thing has happened once again with the Iran negotiators. This all ties back to the same fundamental thread: politicians have failed this country, leading to one loss after another.
I do not believe that I am a racist, sexist, homophobic, or any other negative label that has been affixed to Trump supports. Rather, I feel that political correctness has run amok in this country, and we now live in a society where every blogger and Twitter user is searching for the slightest offense so they can try to ruin another human (famous, or not). The average person is afraid of expressing any controversial opinion in a public forum for fear of being "exposed," made viral, and ruined, personally and/or professionally. It is heartening to see someone as confident and impervious to criticism as Trump standing up to this ever-present mob…and winning! People tend to support the underdog. Most media outlets have attacked Trump with so much vitriol that they have turned him into a sympathetic figure.
Yes, I really do feel that Donald Trump has the interests of America at heart. He has already made his money and lived a life of glamour and fame, and another few billion dollars won't have any real impact on his quality of life. Rather, I genuinely believe that Trump feels the need to fight for the country he loves. There once was a time when people could actually feel proud to be Americans, and Trump comes from a generation that experienced that feeling. Now, many are embarrassed to be associated with this country. Jobs are being outsourced with reckless abandon and this country is literally being hollowed out. Economic statistics do no justice to this reality, and the average American knows this to be true.
Trump supporters feel that a confident, strong-willed leader is needed to right the ship and to fight back against the perpetual decline this country has experienced for the last two-plus decades. And to be honest, I feel that Trump is our only hope in this next election. This is coming from someone who voted for Obama in the last election! Anyway, that's my story and the main reasons why I support Trump. I didn't plan out this response for days or try to make this all-inclusive, but this should give you a fair idea of why I, a liberal, support Donald Trump for president.
Other interesting ones include: Trump Knows It’s All a Joke Bush Was a Disaster and Obama Felt Like One
2) Obama: I supported Obama the first time, and reluctantly the second time. I think he saved America. BUT. Obama failed big time in overcoming the partisan divide. He put his cronies in charge. Worst of all, he appears weak. Like an intellectual. Intellectuals make simple things complicated, and FAIL in real life. Because while real life may be complicated, you create progress by making it simple. By getting things done. Stop thinking, start doing. Stop considering, make a decision.
A Bernie Sanders Supporter Who’d Vote Trump Over Clinton
It is not that Trump supporters necessarily trust Trump to be their champion or that he can be relied upon to deliver better than other politicians. It is the confidence that he can't do worse (and just might do better). In the meantime, his supporters relish the contempt he shows toward the mainstream media and politicians (a contempt which is shared not just by Tea Party conservatives, but many educated liberals and independents). I am a Bernie Sanders supporter. But if I had to vote for any Republican, it would certainly be Trump. In a face off between Hillary Clinton and Trump, I again would vote Trump. While he might not deliver on his promises, he would certainly be a bull in the China shop of contemporary American politics, which has long needed destroying and rebuilding.
definitely resonated with me. There's too much BS and not enough getting done. We could use a strong-willed (even if a bit ego-maniacal) leader to push through reforms. We need to get past this PC crap and get to a point where people can speak honestly. I'd rather that a candidate speak honestly, even if it makes him an asshole, than give more more politically correct BS which guarantees that he/she is an asshole.
Trump isn't my candidate because he has a lot of poorly thought out ideas. However, I would like to see a candidate who has a similar no-nonsense attitude with better ideas. I have faith that president Trump would deal with the immigration issue. However, I don't think he'd do it in a very humanitarian way. I also think that building a literal wall across our southern border is such a huge waste. So instead, why not a president that is clear and confident in what he wants to do with immigration reform, that handles it in a better way than building a wall?
On August 19 2015 14:07 RenSC2 wrote: As an independent, I saw the addition of Palin to the ticket in 2008 to be very suspect. It reeked of a desperate candidate trying to get a boost in the polls, so he enlisted a woman governor to be VP without doing proper vetting. It seemed more like, "Hey, we've got a woman VP candidate, see, we don't hate women. Vote for us." She was just added to the ticket by McCain, nobody nominated her in. She was a useful idiot... until she had to do interviews and debate and people found out that she was a useless idiot. However, I don't see Fiorina or Carson as useful idiots. They are candidates that stand on their own and are attempting to get elected on their own merits.
As for current candidates. If we count current polling as their % chance of becoming the candidate, then Hillary's 54.5% is higher than the combined total of Carson, Rubio, Cruz, Fiorina, and Jindal at 31.3%. (RealClearPolitics.com used for poll numbers). So it's still much more likely that a woman or minority will become the candidate for the Democrats than for the Republicans despite the five woman/minority candidates in the Republican field this year.
As for the Governor thing. There are 3 female Democrats and 3 female Republicans as governors according to my count. Maggie Hassan (D) - New Hampshire Susana Martinez (R) - New Mexico Mary Fallin (R) - Oklahoma Kate Brown (D) - Oregon Gina Raimondo (D) - Rhode Island Nikki Haley (R) - South Carolina
Considering that there are 31 total Republican governors compared to 18 Democrats (and one independent), the democrats have a higher percentage of women. However, women are woefully underrepresented by both parties as governors.
Switching gears to Trump, I actually don't hate him. The first response in the article that Deathstar posted a few pages back + Show Spoiler +
On August 18 2015 11:48 Deathstar wrote: I love this article in the Atlantic Title: What do Donald Trump voters actually want? http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/donald-trump-voters/401408/ Btw I have no intention of voting for Donald Trump. I am with Sanders thoroughly, and I'm in a Blue state anyway. But I do find Donald Trump very intriguing and desirable as a candidate for the presidency. There is a table of contents, but here is one:
I have been a liberal practically all of my life (29 years). I am an atheist, and my first ever Presidential vote was cast for John Kerry. I more or less despised George Bush, and even though I leaned toward Hillary in 2008, I voted for Obama in 2012. I support gay marriage, legalization of marijuana, and many other liberal positions.
I do, however, believe that our country is in a terrible position and on a terrible track. Trump strikes many of my nerves, but one of the most accurate and dangerously true statements he has made is that "America doesn't win anymore." I agree. The world is rising while America falls. America and its leaders seem resigned to this fact. Rather than stiffening their spine and fighting to make America a prosperous nation for all, they simply talk, go through the motions, throw out a few "red meat" issues to keep their respective bases satisfied, and continue to concede American jobs and economic strength to the rest of the world.
To friends and family, I have long railed against the fact that America uses Presidential rejects and other back-bench political cronies as their chief negotiators. John Kerry (yes, the man I voted for) was out-negotiated time and time again by his Russian counterpart. And now, it appears that the same thing has happened once again with the Iran negotiators. This all ties back to the same fundamental thread: politicians have failed this country, leading to one loss after another.
I do not believe that I am a racist, sexist, homophobic, or any other negative label that has been affixed to Trump supports. Rather, I feel that political correctness has run amok in this country, and we now live in a society where every blogger and Twitter user is searching for the slightest offense so they can try to ruin another human (famous, or not). The average person is afraid of expressing any controversial opinion in a public forum for fear of being "exposed," made viral, and ruined, personally and/or professionally. It is heartening to see someone as confident and impervious to criticism as Trump standing up to this ever-present mob…and winning! People tend to support the underdog. Most media outlets have attacked Trump with so much vitriol that they have turned him into a sympathetic figure.
Yes, I really do feel that Donald Trump has the interests of America at heart. He has already made his money and lived a life of glamour and fame, and another few billion dollars won't have any real impact on his quality of life. Rather, I genuinely believe that Trump feels the need to fight for the country he loves. There once was a time when people could actually feel proud to be Americans, and Trump comes from a generation that experienced that feeling. Now, many are embarrassed to be associated with this country. Jobs are being outsourced with reckless abandon and this country is literally being hollowed out. Economic statistics do no justice to this reality, and the average American knows this to be true.
Trump supporters feel that a confident, strong-willed leader is needed to right the ship and to fight back against the perpetual decline this country has experienced for the last two-plus decades. And to be honest, I feel that Trump is our only hope in this next election. This is coming from someone who voted for Obama in the last election! Anyway, that's my story and the main reasons why I support Trump. I didn't plan out this response for days or try to make this all-inclusive, but this should give you a fair idea of why I, a liberal, support Donald Trump for president.
Other interesting ones include: Trump Knows It’s All a Joke Bush Was a Disaster and Obama Felt Like One
2) Obama: I supported Obama the first time, and reluctantly the second time. I think he saved America. BUT. Obama failed big time in overcoming the partisan divide. He put his cronies in charge. Worst of all, he appears weak. Like an intellectual. Intellectuals make simple things complicated, and FAIL in real life. Because while real life may be complicated, you create progress by making it simple. By getting things done. Stop thinking, start doing. Stop considering, make a decision.
A Bernie Sanders Supporter Who’d Vote Trump Over Clinton
It is not that Trump supporters necessarily trust Trump to be their champion or that he can be relied upon to deliver better than other politicians. It is the confidence that he can't do worse (and just might do better). In the meantime, his supporters relish the contempt he shows toward the mainstream media and politicians (a contempt which is shared not just by Tea Party conservatives, but many educated liberals and independents). I am a Bernie Sanders supporter. But if I had to vote for any Republican, it would certainly be Trump. In a face off between Hillary Clinton and Trump, I again would vote Trump. While he might not deliver on his promises, he would certainly be a bull in the China shop of contemporary American politics, which has long needed destroying and rebuilding.
definitely resonated with me. There's too much BS and not enough getting done. We could use a strong-willed (even if a bit ego-maniacal) leader to push through reforms. We need to get past this PC crap and get to a point where people can speak honestly. I'd rather that a candidate speak honestly, even if it makes him an asshole, than give more more politically correct BS which guarantees that he/she is an asshole.
Trump isn't my candidate because he has a lot of poorly thought out ideas. However, I would like to see a candidate who has a similar no-nonsense attitude with better ideas. I have faith that president Trump would deal with the immigration issue. However, I don't think he'd do it in a very humanitarian way. I also think that building a literal wall across our southern border is such a huge waste. So instead, why not a president that is clear and confident in what he wants to do with immigration reform, that handles it in a better way than building a wall?
Because they cant self fund their campaign
Haha, that's probably true. It's a shame. I wonder what some of these tech startup billionaires would propose. Mark Cuban has the ego and could self-fund. It'd be interesting to see someone like him run and lay out his policy positions.
On August 19 2015 14:07 RenSC2 wrote: As an independent, I saw the addition of Palin to the ticket in 2008 to be very suspect. It reeked of a desperate candidate trying to get a boost in the polls, so he enlisted a woman governor to be VP without doing proper vetting. It seemed more like, "Hey, we've got a woman VP candidate, see, we don't hate women. Vote for us." She was just added to the ticket by McCain, nobody nominated her in. She was a useful idiot... until she had to do interviews and debate and people found out that she was a useless idiot. However, I don't see Fiorina or Carson as useful idiots. They are candidates that stand on their own and are attempting to get elected on their own merits.
As for current candidates. If we count current polling as their % chance of becoming the candidate, then Hillary's 54.5% is higher than the combined total of Carson, Rubio, Cruz, Fiorina, and Jindal at 31.3%. (RealClearPolitics.com used for poll numbers). So it's still much more likely that a woman or minority will become the candidate for the Democrats than for the Republicans despite the five woman/minority candidates in the Republican field this year.
As for the Governor thing. There are 3 female Democrats and 3 female Republicans as governors according to my count. Maggie Hassan (D) - New Hampshire Susana Martinez (R) - New Mexico Mary Fallin (R) - Oklahoma Kate Brown (D) - Oregon Gina Raimondo (D) - Rhode Island Nikki Haley (R) - South Carolina
Considering that there are 31 total Republican governors compared to 18 Democrats (and one independent), the democrats have a higher percentage of women. However, women are woefully underrepresented by both parties as governors.
Switching gears to Trump, I actually don't hate him. The first response in the article that Deathstar posted a few pages back + Show Spoiler +
On August 18 2015 11:48 Deathstar wrote: I love this article in the Atlantic Title: What do Donald Trump voters actually want? http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/donald-trump-voters/401408/ Btw I have no intention of voting for Donald Trump. I am with Sanders thoroughly, and I'm in a Blue state anyway. But I do find Donald Trump very intriguing and desirable as a candidate for the presidency. There is a table of contents, but here is one:
I have been a liberal practically all of my life (29 years). I am an atheist, and my first ever Presidential vote was cast for John Kerry. I more or less despised George Bush, and even though I leaned toward Hillary in 2008, I voted for Obama in 2012. I support gay marriage, legalization of marijuana, and many other liberal positions.
I do, however, believe that our country is in a terrible position and on a terrible track. Trump strikes many of my nerves, but one of the most accurate and dangerously true statements he has made is that "America doesn't win anymore." I agree. The world is rising while America falls. America and its leaders seem resigned to this fact. Rather than stiffening their spine and fighting to make America a prosperous nation for all, they simply talk, go through the motions, throw out a few "red meat" issues to keep their respective bases satisfied, and continue to concede American jobs and economic strength to the rest of the world.
To friends and family, I have long railed against the fact that America uses Presidential rejects and other back-bench political cronies as their chief negotiators. John Kerry (yes, the man I voted for) was out-negotiated time and time again by his Russian counterpart. And now, it appears that the same thing has happened once again with the Iran negotiators. This all ties back to the same fundamental thread: politicians have failed this country, leading to one loss after another.
I do not believe that I am a racist, sexist, homophobic, or any other negative label that has been affixed to Trump supports. Rather, I feel that political correctness has run amok in this country, and we now live in a society where every blogger and Twitter user is searching for the slightest offense so they can try to ruin another human (famous, or not). The average person is afraid of expressing any controversial opinion in a public forum for fear of being "exposed," made viral, and ruined, personally and/or professionally. It is heartening to see someone as confident and impervious to criticism as Trump standing up to this ever-present mob…and winning! People tend to support the underdog. Most media outlets have attacked Trump with so much vitriol that they have turned him into a sympathetic figure.
Yes, I really do feel that Donald Trump has the interests of America at heart. He has already made his money and lived a life of glamour and fame, and another few billion dollars won't have any real impact on his quality of life. Rather, I genuinely believe that Trump feels the need to fight for the country he loves. There once was a time when people could actually feel proud to be Americans, and Trump comes from a generation that experienced that feeling. Now, many are embarrassed to be associated with this country. Jobs are being outsourced with reckless abandon and this country is literally being hollowed out. Economic statistics do no justice to this reality, and the average American knows this to be true.
Trump supporters feel that a confident, strong-willed leader is needed to right the ship and to fight back against the perpetual decline this country has experienced for the last two-plus decades. And to be honest, I feel that Trump is our only hope in this next election. This is coming from someone who voted for Obama in the last election! Anyway, that's my story and the main reasons why I support Trump. I didn't plan out this response for days or try to make this all-inclusive, but this should give you a fair idea of why I, a liberal, support Donald Trump for president.
Other interesting ones include: Trump Knows It’s All a Joke Bush Was a Disaster and Obama Felt Like One
2) Obama: I supported Obama the first time, and reluctantly the second time. I think he saved America. BUT. Obama failed big time in overcoming the partisan divide. He put his cronies in charge. Worst of all, he appears weak. Like an intellectual. Intellectuals make simple things complicated, and FAIL in real life. Because while real life may be complicated, you create progress by making it simple. By getting things done. Stop thinking, start doing. Stop considering, make a decision.
A Bernie Sanders Supporter Who’d Vote Trump Over Clinton
It is not that Trump supporters necessarily trust Trump to be their champion or that he can be relied upon to deliver better than other politicians. It is the confidence that he can't do worse (and just might do better). In the meantime, his supporters relish the contempt he shows toward the mainstream media and politicians (a contempt which is shared not just by Tea Party conservatives, but many educated liberals and independents). I am a Bernie Sanders supporter. But if I had to vote for any Republican, it would certainly be Trump. In a face off between Hillary Clinton and Trump, I again would vote Trump. While he might not deliver on his promises, he would certainly be a bull in the China shop of contemporary American politics, which has long needed destroying and rebuilding.
definitely resonated with me. There's too much BS and not enough getting done. We could use a strong-willed (even if a bit ego-maniacal) leader to push through reforms. We need to get past this PC crap and get to a point where people can speak honestly. I'd rather that a candidate speak honestly, even if it makes him an asshole, than give more more politically correct BS which guarantees that he/she is an asshole.
Trump isn't my candidate because he has a lot of poorly thought out ideas. However, I would like to see a candidate who has a similar no-nonsense attitude with better ideas. I have faith that president Trump would deal with the immigration issue. However, I don't think he'd do it in a very humanitarian way. I also think that building a literal wall across our southern border is such a huge waste. So instead, why not a president that is clear and confident in what he wants to do with immigration reform, that handles it in a better way than building a wall?
Because they cant self fund their campaign
Just because Trump might have enough money to build his own Great Wall of America doesn't mean it's legal or will do anything to help immigration.
To be fair there is such a thing as being overly 'protective' or overly ready to be offended over issues. For example I remember reading the discussion you were in Plansix in the Witcher3 thread about how woman are portrayed in the game and I couldn't help but roll my eyes at the people crying about the game not having enough diversity and all that - when people get to that point in my mind they are just looking to be upset about shit. That said, you are correct in that the right is always the ones who say things like 'there is no such thing as sexism anymore', 'racism hasn't been an issue for 50+years', 'homosexuals are already treated fairly' when they have no clue what they are talking about. There is a fine line, but being to far off on either side is a problem/undesirable imo (denying anything is going on vs. viewing everything as being discriminatory or however you want to phrase it).
On August 19 2015 14:07 RenSC2 wrote: As an independent, I saw the addition of Palin to the ticket in 2008 to be very suspect. It reeked of a desperate candidate trying to get a boost in the polls, so he enlisted a woman governor to be VP without doing proper vetting. It seemed more like, "Hey, we've got a woman VP candidate, see, we don't hate women. Vote for us." She was just added to the ticket by McCain, nobody nominated her in. She was a useful idiot... until she had to do interviews and debate and people found out that she was a useless idiot. However, I don't see Fiorina or Carson as useful idiots. They are candidates that stand on their own and are attempting to get elected on their own merits.
As for current candidates. If we count current polling as their % chance of becoming the candidate, then Hillary's 54.5% is higher than the combined total of Carson, Rubio, Cruz, Fiorina, and Jindal at 31.3%. (RealClearPolitics.com used for poll numbers). So it's still much more likely that a woman or minority will become the candidate for the Democrats than for the Republicans despite the five woman/minority candidates in the Republican field this year.
As for the Governor thing. There are 3 female Democrats and 3 female Republicans as governors according to my count. Maggie Hassan (D) - New Hampshire Susana Martinez (R) - New Mexico Mary Fallin (R) - Oklahoma Kate Brown (D) - Oregon Gina Raimondo (D) - Rhode Island Nikki Haley (R) - South Carolina
Considering that there are 31 total Republican governors compared to 18 Democrats (and one independent), the democrats have a higher percentage of women. However, women are woefully underrepresented by both parties as governors.
Switching gears to Trump, I actually don't hate him. The first response in the article that Deathstar posted a few pages back + Show Spoiler +
On August 18 2015 11:48 Deathstar wrote: I love this article in the Atlantic Title: What do Donald Trump voters actually want? http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/donald-trump-voters/401408/ Btw I have no intention of voting for Donald Trump. I am with Sanders thoroughly, and I'm in a Blue state anyway. But I do find Donald Trump very intriguing and desirable as a candidate for the presidency. There is a table of contents, but here is one:
I have been a liberal practically all of my life (29 years). I am an atheist, and my first ever Presidential vote was cast for John Kerry. I more or less despised George Bush, and even though I leaned toward Hillary in 2008, I voted for Obama in 2012. I support gay marriage, legalization of marijuana, and many other liberal positions.
I do, however, believe that our country is in a terrible position and on a terrible track. Trump strikes many of my nerves, but one of the most accurate and dangerously true statements he has made is that "America doesn't win anymore." I agree. The world is rising while America falls. America and its leaders seem resigned to this fact. Rather than stiffening their spine and fighting to make America a prosperous nation for all, they simply talk, go through the motions, throw out a few "red meat" issues to keep their respective bases satisfied, and continue to concede American jobs and economic strength to the rest of the world.
To friends and family, I have long railed against the fact that America uses Presidential rejects and other back-bench political cronies as their chief negotiators. John Kerry (yes, the man I voted for) was out-negotiated time and time again by his Russian counterpart. And now, it appears that the same thing has happened once again with the Iran negotiators. This all ties back to the same fundamental thread: politicians have failed this country, leading to one loss after another.
I do not believe that I am a racist, sexist, homophobic, or any other negative label that has been affixed to Trump supports. Rather, I feel that political correctness has run amok in this country, and we now live in a society where every blogger and Twitter user is searching for the slightest offense so they can try to ruin another human (famous, or not). The average person is afraid of expressing any controversial opinion in a public forum for fear of being "exposed," made viral, and ruined, personally and/or professionally. It is heartening to see someone as confident and impervious to criticism as Trump standing up to this ever-present mob…and winning! People tend to support the underdog. Most media outlets have attacked Trump with so much vitriol that they have turned him into a sympathetic figure.
Yes, I really do feel that Donald Trump has the interests of America at heart. He has already made his money and lived a life of glamour and fame, and another few billion dollars won't have any real impact on his quality of life. Rather, I genuinely believe that Trump feels the need to fight for the country he loves. There once was a time when people could actually feel proud to be Americans, and Trump comes from a generation that experienced that feeling. Now, many are embarrassed to be associated with this country. Jobs are being outsourced with reckless abandon and this country is literally being hollowed out. Economic statistics do no justice to this reality, and the average American knows this to be true.
Trump supporters feel that a confident, strong-willed leader is needed to right the ship and to fight back against the perpetual decline this country has experienced for the last two-plus decades. And to be honest, I feel that Trump is our only hope in this next election. This is coming from someone who voted for Obama in the last election! Anyway, that's my story and the main reasons why I support Trump. I didn't plan out this response for days or try to make this all-inclusive, but this should give you a fair idea of why I, a liberal, support Donald Trump for president.
Other interesting ones include: Trump Knows It’s All a Joke Bush Was a Disaster and Obama Felt Like One
2) Obama: I supported Obama the first time, and reluctantly the second time. I think he saved America. BUT. Obama failed big time in overcoming the partisan divide. He put his cronies in charge. Worst of all, he appears weak. Like an intellectual. Intellectuals make simple things complicated, and FAIL in real life. Because while real life may be complicated, you create progress by making it simple. By getting things done. Stop thinking, start doing. Stop considering, make a decision.
A Bernie Sanders Supporter Who’d Vote Trump Over Clinton
It is not that Trump supporters necessarily trust Trump to be their champion or that he can be relied upon to deliver better than other politicians. It is the confidence that he can't do worse (and just might do better). In the meantime, his supporters relish the contempt he shows toward the mainstream media and politicians (a contempt which is shared not just by Tea Party conservatives, but many educated liberals and independents). I am a Bernie Sanders supporter. But if I had to vote for any Republican, it would certainly be Trump. In a face off between Hillary Clinton and Trump, I again would vote Trump. While he might not deliver on his promises, he would certainly be a bull in the China shop of contemporary American politics, which has long needed destroying and rebuilding.
definitely resonated with me. There's too much BS and not enough getting done. We could use a strong-willed (even if a bit ego-maniacal) leader to push through reforms. We need to get past this PC crap and get to a point where people can speak honestly. I'd rather that a candidate speak honestly, even if it makes him an asshole, than give more more politically correct BS which guarantees that he/she is an asshole.
Trump isn't my candidate because he has a lot of poorly thought out ideas. However, I would like to see a candidate who has a similar no-nonsense attitude with better ideas. I have faith that president Trump would deal with the immigration issue. However, I don't think he'd do it in a very humanitarian way. I also think that building a literal wall across our southern border is such a huge waste. So instead, why not a president that is clear and confident in what he wants to do with immigration reform, that handles it in a better way than building a wall?
Because they cant self fund their campaign
Just because Trump might have enough money to build his own Great Wall of America doesn't mean it's legal or will do anything to help immigration.
moms will do just about anything for their kids. Some are even willing to commit visa fraud, lie to immigration officers and pay tens of thousands of dollars to shady middlemen -- as long as the payoff is a U.S. passport for their newborn.
An underground "birth tourism" network that stretches from the U.S. to China has sprung up to cater to growing numbers of Chinese mothers who travel stateside to give birth, according to affidavits filed by federal law enforcement officers. The moms are lured by laws that grant U.S. citizenship to anyone born on American soil.
Department of Homeland Security agents carried out a series of "birth tourism" raids earlier this month as part of a larger criminal investigation targeting companies in California that have netted millions helping pregnant Chinese women fraudulently secure visas and scam hospitals.
Related: Why Chinese moms want American babies
Documents made public as part of the investigation shed light on the lengths that expectant Chinese mothers are willing to go for an American baby. Here's a look at some of the tactics:
Lie on your visa application
Pregnant women from China are allowed to vacation in the U.S., after securing a travel visa from the U.S. government. But if someone misrepresents the reason for visiting, that's visa fraud.
DHS documents describe one Chinese woman, and her partner, who claimed to be traveling to the U.S. for tourism on their visa application. A U.S. consular officer concluded after an interview that they were "credible tourists" traveling for fun, according to DHS.
On the visa application, the woman even put a Los Angeles hotel as the address where she would be staying. But she later listed a different one on a U.S. passport application for her newborn. That second address was for a unit in a high-end Irvine, California apartment complex where one birth tourism company had rented a number of homes, according to DHS.
The company that used the apartments, You Win USA, was one of three targets in the DHS raids carried out early March. DHS is investigating the people who run You Win, and similar businesses, for alleged visa fraud, tax evasion, failure to report overseas assets and scamming hospitals.
DHS spokeswoman Virginia Kice said no criminal charges have yet been filed, and no arrests made. DHS is reviewing evidence seized during the raids and statements from witnesses.
You Win recommended moms who wanted to give birth in the U.S. apply for tourist visas far in advance to avoid detection by U.S. authorities, and even coached clients how to lie in their interview, according to DHS documents.
Over the past two years, You Win's alleged visa fraud scheme resulted in more than 400 births at just one California hospital, Fountain Valley Regional. The hospital didn't respond to a request for comment. chinese maternity arrest The federal government carried out a series of raids in early March on maternity hotels.
Leave without paying hospital bills
Some You Win clients allegedly defrauded hospitals by not paying what they owe. They "either fail to pay anything or pay a greatly-reduced amount designed for indigent or low income patients lacking insurance," according to DHS.
Records obtained by the agency show the couple found to be "credible tourists" paid only $4,080 of a $28,845.29 medical bill from the California hospital where their child was born. The expectant Chinese mother told the hospital that she was unemployed -- though she had listed a job on her original visa application.
DHS documents suggest the couple could have afforded to pay the full bill. They opened a Citibank account within weeks of arriving in the U.S. last February, and wired over $200,000 from China into the account. Plus, numerous charges were made from the account over the course of three months at places like the Wynn Las Vegas Hotel, Bose, Rolex in Costa Mesa and Louis Vuitton in Beverly Hills.
Sail past immigration at the airport
In an undercover investigation, DHS found that You Win employees not only prep moms to pass the visa interview, but also train them to clear immigration once they arrive. "The earlier the better, in order to conceal the pregnancy," one You Win agent said, according to government documents. chinese mother cartoon A cartoon posted on You Win's website shows a pregnant mom entering the U.S. on the left, and returning to China on the right with her American baby.
You Win even suggested that moms fly from China to places like Hawaii before connecting to Los Angeles -- where immigration security is tighter.
California, in particular, is popular with Chinese moms -- they have their pick of maternity hotels, and if their ties to the state deepen over time, the children may be eligible for lower tuition rates at University of California schools.
According to the federal affidavits, You Win clients pay up to $60,000 for the company's services. These firms often also line up chauffeurs, meals, translators and sightseeing trips.
The long run
Once moms get a U.S. passport for their kid, they essentially have a ticket out of China if they grow weary of pollution, food safety scares and political volatility. At 21, American-born children can apply to sponsor their parents for residency in the U.S.
While other foreigners also come to the U.S. for the sole purpose of giving birth, the Chinese appear to be the only group willing to pay high sums for the services of these birth tourism companies.
Following the raids carried out by DHS agents, websites linked to You Win were taken offline. Multiple calls to numbers DHS linked to the company were unsuccessful. At least one of the phone numbers has been disconnected.
On August 19 2015 14:07 RenSC2 wrote: As an independent, I saw the addition of Palin to the ticket in 2008 to be very suspect. It reeked of a desperate candidate trying to get a boost in the polls, so he enlisted a woman governor to be VP without doing proper vetting. It seemed more like, "Hey, we've got a woman VP candidate, see, we don't hate women. Vote for us." She was just added to the ticket by McCain, nobody nominated her in. She was a useful idiot... until she had to do interviews and debate and people found out that she was a useless idiot. However, I don't see Fiorina or Carson as useful idiots. They are candidates that stand on their own and are attempting to get elected on their own merits.
As for current candidates. If we count current polling as their % chance of becoming the candidate, then Hillary's 54.5% is higher than the combined total of Carson, Rubio, Cruz, Fiorina, and Jindal at 31.3%. (RealClearPolitics.com used for poll numbers). So it's still much more likely that a woman or minority will become the candidate for the Democrats than for the Republicans despite the five woman/minority candidates in the Republican field this year.
As for the Governor thing. There are 3 female Democrats and 3 female Republicans as governors according to my count. Maggie Hassan (D) - New Hampshire Susana Martinez (R) - New Mexico Mary Fallin (R) - Oklahoma Kate Brown (D) - Oregon Gina Raimondo (D) - Rhode Island Nikki Haley (R) - South Carolina
Considering that there are 31 total Republican governors compared to 18 Democrats (and one independent), the democrats have a higher percentage of women. However, women are woefully underrepresented by both parties as governors.
Switching gears to Trump, I actually don't hate him. The first response in the article that Deathstar posted a few pages back + Show Spoiler +
On August 18 2015 11:48 Deathstar wrote: I love this article in the Atlantic Title: What do Donald Trump voters actually want? http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/donald-trump-voters/401408/ Btw I have no intention of voting for Donald Trump. I am with Sanders thoroughly, and I'm in a Blue state anyway. But I do find Donald Trump very intriguing and desirable as a candidate for the presidency. There is a table of contents, but here is one:
I have been a liberal practically all of my life (29 years). I am an atheist, and my first ever Presidential vote was cast for John Kerry. I more or less despised George Bush, and even though I leaned toward Hillary in 2008, I voted for Obama in 2012. I support gay marriage, legalization of marijuana, and many other liberal positions.
I do, however, believe that our country is in a terrible position and on a terrible track. Trump strikes many of my nerves, but one of the most accurate and dangerously true statements he has made is that "America doesn't win anymore." I agree. The world is rising while America falls. America and its leaders seem resigned to this fact. Rather than stiffening their spine and fighting to make America a prosperous nation for all, they simply talk, go through the motions, throw out a few "red meat" issues to keep their respective bases satisfied, and continue to concede American jobs and economic strength to the rest of the world.
To friends and family, I have long railed against the fact that America uses Presidential rejects and other back-bench political cronies as their chief negotiators. John Kerry (yes, the man I voted for) was out-negotiated time and time again by his Russian counterpart. And now, it appears that the same thing has happened once again with the Iran negotiators. This all ties back to the same fundamental thread: politicians have failed this country, leading to one loss after another.
I do not believe that I am a racist, sexist, homophobic, or any other negative label that has been affixed to Trump supports. Rather, I feel that political correctness has run amok in this country, and we now live in a society where every blogger and Twitter user is searching for the slightest offense so they can try to ruin another human (famous, or not). The average person is afraid of expressing any controversial opinion in a public forum for fear of being "exposed," made viral, and ruined, personally and/or professionally. It is heartening to see someone as confident and impervious to criticism as Trump standing up to this ever-present mob…and winning! People tend to support the underdog. Most media outlets have attacked Trump with so much vitriol that they have turned him into a sympathetic figure.
Yes, I really do feel that Donald Trump has the interests of America at heart. He has already made his money and lived a life of glamour and fame, and another few billion dollars won't have any real impact on his quality of life. Rather, I genuinely believe that Trump feels the need to fight for the country he loves. There once was a time when people could actually feel proud to be Americans, and Trump comes from a generation that experienced that feeling. Now, many are embarrassed to be associated with this country. Jobs are being outsourced with reckless abandon and this country is literally being hollowed out. Economic statistics do no justice to this reality, and the average American knows this to be true.
Trump supporters feel that a confident, strong-willed leader is needed to right the ship and to fight back against the perpetual decline this country has experienced for the last two-plus decades. And to be honest, I feel that Trump is our only hope in this next election. This is coming from someone who voted for Obama in the last election! Anyway, that's my story and the main reasons why I support Trump. I didn't plan out this response for days or try to make this all-inclusive, but this should give you a fair idea of why I, a liberal, support Donald Trump for president.
Other interesting ones include: Trump Knows It’s All a Joke Bush Was a Disaster and Obama Felt Like One
2) Obama: I supported Obama the first time, and reluctantly the second time. I think he saved America. BUT. Obama failed big time in overcoming the partisan divide. He put his cronies in charge. Worst of all, he appears weak. Like an intellectual. Intellectuals make simple things complicated, and FAIL in real life. Because while real life may be complicated, you create progress by making it simple. By getting things done. Stop thinking, start doing. Stop considering, make a decision.
A Bernie Sanders Supporter Who’d Vote Trump Over Clinton
It is not that Trump supporters necessarily trust Trump to be their champion or that he can be relied upon to deliver better than other politicians. It is the confidence that he can't do worse (and just might do better). In the meantime, his supporters relish the contempt he shows toward the mainstream media and politicians (a contempt which is shared not just by Tea Party conservatives, but many educated liberals and independents). I am a Bernie Sanders supporter. But if I had to vote for any Republican, it would certainly be Trump. In a face off between Hillary Clinton and Trump, I again would vote Trump. While he might not deliver on his promises, he would certainly be a bull in the China shop of contemporary American politics, which has long needed destroying and rebuilding.
definitely resonated with me. There's too much BS and not enough getting done. We could use a strong-willed (even if a bit ego-maniacal) leader to push through reforms. We need to get past this PC crap and get to a point where people can speak honestly. I'd rather that a candidate speak honestly, even if it makes him an asshole, than give more more politically correct BS which guarantees that he/she is an asshole.
Trump isn't my candidate because he has a lot of poorly thought out ideas. However, I would like to see a candidate who has a similar no-nonsense attitude with better ideas. I have faith that president Trump would deal with the immigration issue. However, I don't think he'd do it in a very humanitarian way. I also think that building a literal wall across our southern border is such a huge waste. So instead, why not a president that is clear and confident in what he wants to do with immigration reform, that handles it in a better way than building a wall?
Because they cant self fund their campaign
Just because Trump might have enough money to build his own Great Wall of America doesn't mean it's legal or will do anything to help immigration.
moms will do just about anything for their kids. Some are even willing to commit visa fraud, lie to immigration officers and pay tens of thousands of dollars to shady middlemen -- as long as the payoff is a U.S. passport for their newborn.
An underground "birth tourism" network that stretches from the U.S. to China has sprung up to cater to growing numbers of Chinese mothers who travel stateside to give birth, according to affidavits filed by federal law enforcement officers. The moms are lured by laws that grant U.S. citizenship to anyone born on American soil.
Department of Homeland Security agents carried out a series of "birth tourism" raids earlier this month as part of a larger criminal investigation targeting companies in California that have netted millions helping pregnant Chinese women fraudulently secure visas and scam hospitals.
Related: Why Chinese moms want American babies
Documents made public as part of the investigation shed light on the lengths that expectant Chinese mothers are willing to go for an American baby. Here's a look at some of the tactics:
Lie on your visa application
Pregnant women from China are allowed to vacation in the U.S., after securing a travel visa from the U.S. government. But if someone misrepresents the reason for visiting, that's visa fraud.
DHS documents describe one Chinese woman, and her partner, who claimed to be traveling to the U.S. for tourism on their visa application. A U.S. consular officer concluded after an interview that they were "credible tourists" traveling for fun, according to DHS.
On the visa application, the woman even put a Los Angeles hotel as the address where she would be staying. But she later listed a different one on a U.S. passport application for her newborn. That second address was for a unit in a high-end Irvine, California apartment complex where one birth tourism company had rented a number of homes, according to DHS.
The company that used the apartments, You Win USA, was one of three targets in the DHS raids carried out early March. DHS is investigating the people who run You Win, and similar businesses, for alleged visa fraud, tax evasion, failure to report overseas assets and scamming hospitals.
DHS spokeswoman Virginia Kice said no criminal charges have yet been filed, and no arrests made. DHS is reviewing evidence seized during the raids and statements from witnesses.
You Win recommended moms who wanted to give birth in the U.S. apply for tourist visas far in advance to avoid detection by U.S. authorities, and even coached clients how to lie in their interview, according to DHS documents.
Over the past two years, You Win's alleged visa fraud scheme resulted in more than 400 births at just one California hospital, Fountain Valley Regional. The hospital didn't respond to a request for comment. chinese maternity arrest The federal government carried out a series of raids in early March on maternity hotels.
Leave without paying hospital bills
Some You Win clients allegedly defrauded hospitals by not paying what they owe. They "either fail to pay anything or pay a greatly-reduced amount designed for indigent or low income patients lacking insurance," according to DHS.
Records obtained by the agency show the couple found to be "credible tourists" paid only $4,080 of a $28,845.29 medical bill from the California hospital where their child was born. The expectant Chinese mother told the hospital that she was unemployed -- though she had listed a job on her original visa application.
DHS documents suggest the couple could have afforded to pay the full bill. They opened a Citibank account within weeks of arriving in the U.S. last February, and wired over $200,000 from China into the account. Plus, numerous charges were made from the account over the course of three months at places like the Wynn Las Vegas Hotel, Bose, Rolex in Costa Mesa and Louis Vuitton in Beverly Hills.
Sail past immigration at the airport
In an undercover investigation, DHS found that You Win employees not only prep moms to pass the visa interview, but also train them to clear immigration once they arrive. "The earlier the better, in order to conceal the pregnancy," one You Win agent said, according to government documents. chinese mother cartoon A cartoon posted on You Win's website shows a pregnant mom entering the U.S. on the left, and returning to China on the right with her American baby.
You Win even suggested that moms fly from China to places like Hawaii before connecting to Los Angeles -- where immigration security is tighter.
California, in particular, is popular with Chinese moms -- they have their pick of maternity hotels, and if their ties to the state deepen over time, the children may be eligible for lower tuition rates at University of California schools.
According to the federal affidavits, You Win clients pay up to $60,000 for the company's services. These firms often also line up chauffeurs, meals, translators and sightseeing trips.
The long run
Once moms get a U.S. passport for their kid, they essentially have a ticket out of China if they grow weary of pollution, food safety scares and political volatility. At 21, American-born children can apply to sponsor their parents for residency in the U.S.
While other foreigners also come to the U.S. for the sole purpose of giving birth, the Chinese appear to be the only group willing to pay high sums for the services of these birth tourism companies.
Following the raids carried out by DHS agents, websites linked to You Win were taken offline. Multiple calls to numbers DHS linked to the company were unsuccessful. At least one of the phone numbers has been disconnected.
I'm looking forward to your explanation on how building a wall between Mexico and the USA will keep Chinese mothers out of the country.
But also (and arguably, more importantly), shouldn't the best response to anchor babies and illegal immigrants be finding ways to make them legal citizens? They already pay taxes and contribute to the economy; there should be paperwork that can be filed in a respectably fast and easy fashion that helps them out, so they don't need to worry about being deported.
Birthright citizenship served its 14th amendment purpose. Now is as good a time as any to take another look at it. But it wouldn't be an issue if we managed immigration correctly in the first place. Easier to do that than go around to the Courts or change amendments.
Do other countries not have the "born here = citizen" thing? I dunno why Chinese would pay such large amounts of money to do that in the US. I would have picked a better country if I was going to fork over that kind of cash.
birthright citizenship needs to go. It doesn't really make sense at all. I feel like liberals have a kneejerk response to supporting it because it helps poor little immigrant babies.
On August 19 2015 11:09 Plansix wrote: It would help if people understood that the most insane members of the Republican party are the front runners right now. So we have to assume that there are members of the Republican parties that want to force 10 year olds to have children because God would want that. I understand that moderate republicans might now like it. But you can't throw stones at the wackjobs on the left and then boohoo when someone points out that leading Republican wants to build the Great Wall of America and force Mexico to pay for it.
I really do dislike the perception of defending the vapid Trump, or the GOP in general, but Huckabee is polling less than 4%, and Trump is around 20%, but has obscenely high never voting/unfavorables in the party. He has a high floor, but a very low ceiling. Your assertion also makes it seems like people want 10 year olds to be forcibly impregnated, but that's certainly not the case and you know it, but you frame it like that anyway. It's disingenuous. I think we can all agree on how daft Trump is about the wall and Mexico, however.
In any event, let's not throw too many bricks in your glass house. Remember, the GOP has more women and minorities in their Presidential primary, than the Democrats, so you should be throwing bricks the other way as the SJW here, right?
The two Trump supporters in this topic have been pretty clear and vocal in their support of the wall. Also the suggestion that number of women and minorities is the only thing that matters to SJW is a little silly but even if we were to accept that all SJW care about it electing someone other than a white man, regardless of whether or not things actually improve for women and minorities, I think pretty much everyone would agree that right now the Democratic candidate is still far more likely to be a woman or a minority than the Republican candidate. The argument that you get more points for considering several women and then rejecting them in favour of a man than you do for considering one woman and then choosing her is very strange to me.
And yet, the last time a woman had a realistic shot at high office (the Vice Presidency) all we heard (and still hear) is incessant demagoguery and accusations. Note, this particular person was a part of the GOP, not the Democrats. This idea that the GOP are inherently racist or sexist, as much as I do dislike the GOP (except for some notable members), is a farce. The GOP waging this vast War on Women, but yet they put up someone (Palin) to become the VP, the second highest political office in the country. Guess what party Nikki Haley (or Jan Brewer) is a part of? How many women Democratic Governors are there? If there is anything I hate more than hypocrisy, is hypocrisy laced with self-righteousness.
Dude come on. Palin is an idiot. Certifiable. Can we not with these dumb arguments? It's like you are saying that the plantation master isn't a racist because he took some slaves into his house and dressed them in livery.
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