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Trump is pulling futher away from the GOP pack in the two latest polls
http://www.businessinsider.com/polls-donald-trump-leads-carson-jeb-bush-rubio-walker-2015-8
Real-estate developer Donald Trump doesn't appear to be slowing down as he seeks the Republican presidential nomination in 2016. Two new polls this week have found that the outspoken businessman has only expanded his lead since the first official debate earlier this month. A CNN/ORC poll released Tuesday placed Trump in the No. 1 position, with 24% support among registered Republicans. That was more than double the 11% support of his next-nearest competitor, former Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida. Many of the other candidates were clustered close behind Bush: retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson at 9%; Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida and Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin at 8%; Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky at 6%; Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina, and Gov. John Kasich of Ohio at 5%; and former Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas in 10th place at 4%. According to CNN, Trump expanded his lead by 6 points since July. That rise suggests Trump's combative performance in the August 6 debate did little to harm his candidacy. A Fox News poll published Sunday found that, despite dominating the Republican field, Trump was "judged in the poll as having the worst debate performance and being considered the least likable Republican candidate." During the debate, Trump fielded a number of tough questions, including about his corporate bankruptcies, his threat to run a third-party campaign for president, and derogatory comments he's made about women. In the days after, Trump went to war with Fox News, which hosted the debate, as well as one of its moderators, Megyn Kelly. The network and Trump finally brokered an uneasy truce last week. But CNN and Fox News weren't the only two outlets with favorable polls for Trump this week. A Morning Consult survey published Monday found the real-estate developer with 32% of the vote among registered Republicans and Republican-leaning independents. In the Morning Consult poll, Trump's next-closest rival was again Bush, who garnered just 12% of the GOP vote. No other candidate had double-digit support in the survey: Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/polls-donald-trump-leads-carson-jeb-bush-rubio-walker-2015-8#ixzz3jB3md0IN
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On August 18 2015 23:36 whatisthisasheep wrote:Trump is pulling futher away from the GOP pack in the two latest polls http://www.businessinsider.com/polls-donald-trump-leads-carson-jeb-bush-rubio-walker-2015-8Show nested quote +Real-estate developer Donald Trump doesn't appear to be slowing down as he seeks the Republican presidential nomination in 2016. Two new polls this week have found that the outspoken businessman has only expanded his lead since the first official debate earlier this month. A CNN/ORC poll released Tuesday placed Trump in the No. 1 position, with 24% support among registered Republicans. That was more than double the 11% support of his next-nearest competitor, former Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida. Many of the other candidates were clustered close behind Bush: retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson at 9%; Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida and Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin at 8%; Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky at 6%; Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina, and Gov. John Kasich of Ohio at 5%; and former Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas in 10th place at 4%. According to CNN, Trump expanded his lead by 6 points since July. That rise suggests Trump's combative performance in the August 6 debate did little to harm his candidacy. A Fox News poll published Sunday found that, despite dominating the Republican field, Trump was "judged in the poll as having the worst debate performance and being considered the least likable Republican candidate." During the debate, Trump fielded a number of tough questions, including about his corporate bankruptcies, his threat to run a third-party campaign for president, and derogatory comments he's made about women. In the days after, Trump went to war with Fox News, which hosted the debate, as well as one of its moderators, Megyn Kelly. The network and Trump finally brokered an uneasy truce last week. But CNN and Fox News weren't the only two outlets with favorable polls for Trump this week. A Morning Consult survey published Monday found the real-estate developer with 32% of the vote among registered Republicans and Republican-leaning independents. In the Morning Consult poll, Trump's next-closest rival was again Bush, who garnered just 12% of the GOP vote. No other candidate had double-digit support in the survey: Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/polls-donald-trump-leads-carson-jeb-bush-rubio-walker-2015-8#ixzz3jB3md0IN
The entire Fox debate was a farce though. It was a ham-handed attempt to discredit Trump by asking him awkward questions and when that didn't work try and convince the public that public opinion said he was bad. Ended up with him picking up more points and Megan Kelly going on break.
Interestingly, it seems like the undecided number is going down now. Everyone's gotten a few more percentage points except Walker and Bush it seems.
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On August 18 2015 13:41 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2015 13:29 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 18 2015 13:21 Sermokala wrote:On August 18 2015 13:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Bernie is a cardboard cutout display of a Alinskyian mannequin that nobody purchased. He has the best of intentions but is better off running for office in France. Just by looking at the race I wouldn't even start with that. First ignoring everything 40% of the country will vote for either the blues or the reds if its even Hitler vs FDR. Second hes going against Hillary who somehow has managed to gain more baggage then the brother of George W bush. These things are the perfect conditions for something crazy like bernie making it to the national stage. I just cant see him getting past Biden or Gore. If Bernie was more charismatic he could galvanize the media enough to get his message substantial attention. The media covers Biden and Gore (who arnt even in the race yet) more than Sanders. Bernie just needs to get less boring. Bernie isn't boring, and he strikes a nerve. But yeah, if Hillary doesn't step her game up or continues to fumble at some point the Democratic machine is gonna sit her down, have a talk that begins and ends with "Hillary, we gave ya two chances sorry", and then recruit Biden or Gore. Biden is a lovable old doofus (who is actually surprisingly effective behind the scenes considering he's the administration's main liason with the Senate) and Gore, who would be president if a couple Florida college students had drunk a little less the night before and made it to the polling station. Oh, and then he went and made global warming his raison d'etre and won a Nobel. Still, I think Hillary will be fine. All these scandals are hitting her far too early , though Bernie running from the left makes it a perfect-ish storm and has the potential to knock her off before she becomes an unstoppable force. If she can get through the next bit, it's easy sailing though. Thinking about it, the Democrats have a lot of pretty decent candidates in the wings for the next few years. Gonna be interesting to see how everything shapes up. Not sure who the Republicans will be fielding in the near future, based on the 2016 crop they're scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Well, got to keep those candidates scandal free and rising in the meantime. Jindal and Christie were once considered rising stars for the Republicans as well.
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On August 19 2015 00:18 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2015 13:41 ticklishmusic wrote:On August 18 2015 13:29 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 18 2015 13:21 Sermokala wrote:On August 18 2015 13:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Bernie is a cardboard cutout display of a Alinskyian mannequin that nobody purchased. He has the best of intentions but is better off running for office in France. Just by looking at the race I wouldn't even start with that. First ignoring everything 40% of the country will vote for either the blues or the reds if its even Hitler vs FDR. Second hes going against Hillary who somehow has managed to gain more baggage then the brother of George W bush. These things are the perfect conditions for something crazy like bernie making it to the national stage. I just cant see him getting past Biden or Gore. If Bernie was more charismatic he could galvanize the media enough to get his message substantial attention. The media covers Biden and Gore (who arnt even in the race yet) more than Sanders. Bernie just needs to get less boring. Bernie isn't boring, and he strikes a nerve. But yeah, if Hillary doesn't step her game up or continues to fumble at some point the Democratic machine is gonna sit her down, have a talk that begins and ends with "Hillary, we gave ya two chances sorry", and then recruit Biden or Gore. Biden is a lovable old doofus (who is actually surprisingly effective behind the scenes considering he's the administration's main liason with the Senate) and Gore, who would be president if a couple Florida college students had drunk a little less the night before and made it to the polling station. Oh, and then he went and made global warming his raison d'etre and won a Nobel. Still, I think Hillary will be fine. All these scandals are hitting her far too early , though Bernie running from the left makes it a perfect-ish storm and has the potential to knock her off before she becomes an unstoppable force. If she can get through the next bit, it's easy sailing though. Thinking about it, the Democrats have a lot of pretty decent candidates in the wings for the next few years. Gonna be interesting to see how everything shapes up. Not sure who the Republicans will be fielding in the near future, based on the 2016 crop they're scraping the bottom of the barrel. Well, got to keep those candidates scandal free and rising in the meantime. Jindal and Christie were once considered rising stars for the Republicans as well.
Jindal is a guy who got dealt one of the best hands in poker, then somehow misplayed it horribly. Indian-American, smart as hell... and now a political nobody. As a Louisianian, it makes me pretty sad.
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On August 19 2015 00:39 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2015 00:18 Bagration wrote:On August 18 2015 13:41 ticklishmusic wrote:On August 18 2015 13:29 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 18 2015 13:21 Sermokala wrote:On August 18 2015 13:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Bernie is a cardboard cutout display of a Alinskyian mannequin that nobody purchased. He has the best of intentions but is better off running for office in France. Just by looking at the race I wouldn't even start with that. First ignoring everything 40% of the country will vote for either the blues or the reds if its even Hitler vs FDR. Second hes going against Hillary who somehow has managed to gain more baggage then the brother of George W bush. These things are the perfect conditions for something crazy like bernie making it to the national stage. I just cant see him getting past Biden or Gore. If Bernie was more charismatic he could galvanize the media enough to get his message substantial attention. The media covers Biden and Gore (who arnt even in the race yet) more than Sanders. Bernie just needs to get less boring. Bernie isn't boring, and he strikes a nerve. But yeah, if Hillary doesn't step her game up or continues to fumble at some point the Democratic machine is gonna sit her down, have a talk that begins and ends with "Hillary, we gave ya two chances sorry", and then recruit Biden or Gore. Biden is a lovable old doofus (who is actually surprisingly effective behind the scenes considering he's the administration's main liason with the Senate) and Gore, who would be president if a couple Florida college students had drunk a little less the night before and made it to the polling station. Oh, and then he went and made global warming his raison d'etre and won a Nobel. Still, I think Hillary will be fine. All these scandals are hitting her far too early , though Bernie running from the left makes it a perfect-ish storm and has the potential to knock her off before she becomes an unstoppable force. If she can get through the next bit, it's easy sailing though. Thinking about it, the Democrats have a lot of pretty decent candidates in the wings for the next few years. Gonna be interesting to see how everything shapes up. Not sure who the Republicans will be fielding in the near future, based on the 2016 crop they're scraping the bottom of the barrel. Well, got to keep those candidates scandal free and rising in the meantime. Jindal and Christie were once considered rising stars for the Republicans as well. Jindal is a guy who got dealt one of the best hands in poker, then somehow misplayed it horribly. Indian-American, smart as hell... and now a political nobody. As a Louisianian, it makes me pretty sad.
You need to making it through these amazing Republican primaries to rise up and their hardcore, primary voting base has become more receptive to people like Trump, racism and all.
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And then, of course, there's this.....
On Wednesday, Bobby Jindal became the first Indian-American to be a serious candidate for president.
The Louisiana Republican governor's bid also adds another little-known first: He's the first presidential candidate (that we know of) to participate in an apparent exorcism.
Here's the story.
Jindal, the son of Indian immigrants, grew up Hindu but converted to Christianity as a teenager. He would read the Bible by flashlight in a closet so as not to upset his parents, and he got baptized as a Catholic while attending Brown University. As Annie Gowen and Tyler Bridges write in the Washington Post, Jindal has made Christianity a central part of his life ever since.
Back in 1994, the now 44-year-old had just finished studying at Oxford University as a Rhodes Scholar. He moved to Washington to work at the major consulting firm McKinsey, when he wrote a piece in the Catholic magazine, the New Oxford Review, titled “Beating a Demon: Physical Dimensions of Spiritual Warfare.”
In it, Jindal described a woman and fellow Christian he had befriended at Brown. He kind of liked “Susan” (Jindal says he changed some names in the story) but was afraid of committing to her, so they just stayed friends. Over a period of a few weeks, Susan found out one of her close friends at home had committed suicide and that she had skin cancer.
Shortly after that, Jindal said Susan started having visions and smelling like sulfur (sulfur, Jindal noted, “supposedly accompanies the devil”).
But he didn't piece it all together until a meeting of friends praying for Susan's health. Susan was there to receive their prayers.
And we'll let Jindal take it from here:
Suddenly, Susan emitted some strange guttural sounds and fell to the floor. She started thrashing about, as if in some sort of seizure. Susan’s sister must have recognized what was happening, for she ordered us to gather around and place our hands on Susan’s prostrate body.
I tentatively approached the group and placed the edge of my fingertip on her shoulder … In a voice I had never heard before or since, Susan accused me: 'Bobby, you cannot even love Susan.'
The students, led by Susan’s sister and Louise, a member of a charismatic church, engaged in loud and desperate prayers while holding Susan with one hand. Kneeling on the ground, my friends were chanting, ‘Satan, I command you to leave this woman.’ Others exhorted all ‘demons to leave in the name of Christ.’...
The story of Bobby Jindal and an apparent exorcism you probably haven’t heard
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On August 19 2015 00:42 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2015 00:39 ticklishmusic wrote:On August 19 2015 00:18 Bagration wrote:On August 18 2015 13:41 ticklishmusic wrote:On August 18 2015 13:29 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 18 2015 13:21 Sermokala wrote:On August 18 2015 13:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Bernie is a cardboard cutout display of a Alinskyian mannequin that nobody purchased. He has the best of intentions but is better off running for office in France. Just by looking at the race I wouldn't even start with that. First ignoring everything 40% of the country will vote for either the blues or the reds if its even Hitler vs FDR. Second hes going against Hillary who somehow has managed to gain more baggage then the brother of George W bush. These things are the perfect conditions for something crazy like bernie making it to the national stage. I just cant see him getting past Biden or Gore. If Bernie was more charismatic he could galvanize the media enough to get his message substantial attention. The media covers Biden and Gore (who arnt even in the race yet) more than Sanders. Bernie just needs to get less boring. Bernie isn't boring, and he strikes a nerve. But yeah, if Hillary doesn't step her game up or continues to fumble at some point the Democratic machine is gonna sit her down, have a talk that begins and ends with "Hillary, we gave ya two chances sorry", and then recruit Biden or Gore. Biden is a lovable old doofus (who is actually surprisingly effective behind the scenes considering he's the administration's main liason with the Senate) and Gore, who would be president if a couple Florida college students had drunk a little less the night before and made it to the polling station. Oh, and then he went and made global warming his raison d'etre and won a Nobel. Still, I think Hillary will be fine. All these scandals are hitting her far too early , though Bernie running from the left makes it a perfect-ish storm and has the potential to knock her off before she becomes an unstoppable force. If she can get through the next bit, it's easy sailing though. Thinking about it, the Democrats have a lot of pretty decent candidates in the wings for the next few years. Gonna be interesting to see how everything shapes up. Not sure who the Republicans will be fielding in the near future, based on the 2016 crop they're scraping the bottom of the barrel. Well, got to keep those candidates scandal free and rising in the meantime. Jindal and Christie were once considered rising stars for the Republicans as well. Jindal is a guy who got dealt one of the best hands in poker, then somehow misplayed it horribly. Indian-American, smart as hell... and now a political nobody. As a Louisianian, it makes me pretty sad. You need to making it through these amazing Republican primaries to rise up and their hardcore, primary voting base has become more receptive to people like Trump, racism and all.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/03/bobby-jindal-louisiana-governor-religion-gop?page=1
I usually don't like using MoJo because they wear their leftist hearts on their sleeves, but this is kinda how I feel about him.
JINDAL WAS ELECTED governor of Louisiana seven years ago at the age of 36 and anointed, almost immediately, as the Republican Party's golden boy. He seemed assured of a spot in every presidential discussion for as long as he wished; as a former Rhodes scholar and congressman and a conservative of color, he had just the kind of brain—and face—that the bigwigs wanted representing their party in the age of Obama.
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"He's a political alchemist—he weaves webs out of what he claims is gold," says DuBos, the Gambit columnist. "Was he ever really the GOP golden boy, or was that just him spinning?"
Maybe the genius of Bobby Jindal is that he made us think he was one.
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On August 19 2015 00:42 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2015 00:39 ticklishmusic wrote:On August 19 2015 00:18 Bagration wrote:On August 18 2015 13:41 ticklishmusic wrote:On August 18 2015 13:29 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 18 2015 13:21 Sermokala wrote:On August 18 2015 13:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Bernie is a cardboard cutout display of a Alinskyian mannequin that nobody purchased. He has the best of intentions but is better off running for office in France. Just by looking at the race I wouldn't even start with that. First ignoring everything 40% of the country will vote for either the blues or the reds if its even Hitler vs FDR. Second hes going against Hillary who somehow has managed to gain more baggage then the brother of George W bush. These things are the perfect conditions for something crazy like bernie making it to the national stage. I just cant see him getting past Biden or Gore. If Bernie was more charismatic he could galvanize the media enough to get his message substantial attention. The media covers Biden and Gore (who arnt even in the race yet) more than Sanders. Bernie just needs to get less boring. Bernie isn't boring, and he strikes a nerve. But yeah, if Hillary doesn't step her game up or continues to fumble at some point the Democratic machine is gonna sit her down, have a talk that begins and ends with "Hillary, we gave ya two chances sorry", and then recruit Biden or Gore. Biden is a lovable old doofus (who is actually surprisingly effective behind the scenes considering he's the administration's main liason with the Senate) and Gore, who would be president if a couple Florida college students had drunk a little less the night before and made it to the polling station. Oh, and then he went and made global warming his raison d'etre and won a Nobel. Still, I think Hillary will be fine. All these scandals are hitting her far too early , though Bernie running from the left makes it a perfect-ish storm and has the potential to knock her off before she becomes an unstoppable force. If she can get through the next bit, it's easy sailing though. Thinking about it, the Democrats have a lot of pretty decent candidates in the wings for the next few years. Gonna be interesting to see how everything shapes up. Not sure who the Republicans will be fielding in the near future, based on the 2016 crop they're scraping the bottom of the barrel. Well, got to keep those candidates scandal free and rising in the meantime. Jindal and Christie were once considered rising stars for the Republicans as well. Jindal is a guy who got dealt one of the best hands in poker, then somehow misplayed it horribly. Indian-American, smart as hell... and now a political nobody. As a Louisianian, it makes me pretty sad. You need to making it through these amazing Republican primaries to rise up and their hardcore, primary voting base has become more receptive to people like Trump, racism and all.
This comment means you basically don't read the polls. Trump's voters are primarily northeastern and those least likely to actually turn out in the primaries.
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On August 19 2015 01:23 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2015 00:42 Plansix wrote:On August 19 2015 00:39 ticklishmusic wrote:On August 19 2015 00:18 Bagration wrote:On August 18 2015 13:41 ticklishmusic wrote:On August 18 2015 13:29 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 18 2015 13:21 Sermokala wrote:On August 18 2015 13:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Bernie is a cardboard cutout display of a Alinskyian mannequin that nobody purchased. He has the best of intentions but is better off running for office in France. Just by looking at the race I wouldn't even start with that. First ignoring everything 40% of the country will vote for either the blues or the reds if its even Hitler vs FDR. Second hes going against Hillary who somehow has managed to gain more baggage then the brother of George W bush. These things are the perfect conditions for something crazy like bernie making it to the national stage. I just cant see him getting past Biden or Gore. If Bernie was more charismatic he could galvanize the media enough to get his message substantial attention. The media covers Biden and Gore (who arnt even in the race yet) more than Sanders. Bernie just needs to get less boring. Bernie isn't boring, and he strikes a nerve. But yeah, if Hillary doesn't step her game up or continues to fumble at some point the Democratic machine is gonna sit her down, have a talk that begins and ends with "Hillary, we gave ya two chances sorry", and then recruit Biden or Gore. Biden is a lovable old doofus (who is actually surprisingly effective behind the scenes considering he's the administration's main liason with the Senate) and Gore, who would be president if a couple Florida college students had drunk a little less the night before and made it to the polling station. Oh, and then he went and made global warming his raison d'etre and won a Nobel. Still, I think Hillary will be fine. All these scandals are hitting her far too early , though Bernie running from the left makes it a perfect-ish storm and has the potential to knock her off before she becomes an unstoppable force. If she can get through the next bit, it's easy sailing though. Thinking about it, the Democrats have a lot of pretty decent candidates in the wings for the next few years. Gonna be interesting to see how everything shapes up. Not sure who the Republicans will be fielding in the near future, based on the 2016 crop they're scraping the bottom of the barrel. Well, got to keep those candidates scandal free and rising in the meantime. Jindal and Christie were once considered rising stars for the Republicans as well. Jindal is a guy who got dealt one of the best hands in poker, then somehow misplayed it horribly. Indian-American, smart as hell... and now a political nobody. As a Louisianian, it makes me pretty sad. You need to making it through these amazing Republican primaries to rise up and their hardcore, primary voting base has become more receptive to people like Trump, racism and all. This comment means you basically don't read the polls. Trump's voters are primarily northeastern and those least likely to actually turn out in the primaries.
Source? I find it hard to believe that the anti-establishment types salivating over Trump are not the people who will be first in line when it comes time for the primaries. The Tea Party has done just that in the past, and while there is not a direct overlap between the Tea Party and Trump's Supporters, his supporters are the most fired up of any voter group out there right now, and historically those are the people that show up to primaries. Who knows what it will look like in a year, however.
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On August 19 2015 02:14 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2015 01:23 cLutZ wrote:On August 19 2015 00:42 Plansix wrote:On August 19 2015 00:39 ticklishmusic wrote:On August 19 2015 00:18 Bagration wrote:On August 18 2015 13:41 ticklishmusic wrote:On August 18 2015 13:29 whatisthisasheep wrote:On August 18 2015 13:21 Sermokala wrote:On August 18 2015 13:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Bernie is a cardboard cutout display of a Alinskyian mannequin that nobody purchased. He has the best of intentions but is better off running for office in France. Just by looking at the race I wouldn't even start with that. First ignoring everything 40% of the country will vote for either the blues or the reds if its even Hitler vs FDR. Second hes going against Hillary who somehow has managed to gain more baggage then the brother of George W bush. These things are the perfect conditions for something crazy like bernie making it to the national stage. I just cant see him getting past Biden or Gore. If Bernie was more charismatic he could galvanize the media enough to get his message substantial attention. The media covers Biden and Gore (who arnt even in the race yet) more than Sanders. Bernie just needs to get less boring. Bernie isn't boring, and he strikes a nerve. But yeah, if Hillary doesn't step her game up or continues to fumble at some point the Democratic machine is gonna sit her down, have a talk that begins and ends with "Hillary, we gave ya two chances sorry", and then recruit Biden or Gore. Biden is a lovable old doofus (who is actually surprisingly effective behind the scenes considering he's the administration's main liason with the Senate) and Gore, who would be president if a couple Florida college students had drunk a little less the night before and made it to the polling station. Oh, and then he went and made global warming his raison d'etre and won a Nobel. Still, I think Hillary will be fine. All these scandals are hitting her far too early , though Bernie running from the left makes it a perfect-ish storm and has the potential to knock her off before she becomes an unstoppable force. If she can get through the next bit, it's easy sailing though. Thinking about it, the Democrats have a lot of pretty decent candidates in the wings for the next few years. Gonna be interesting to see how everything shapes up. Not sure who the Republicans will be fielding in the near future, based on the 2016 crop they're scraping the bottom of the barrel. Well, got to keep those candidates scandal free and rising in the meantime. Jindal and Christie were once considered rising stars for the Republicans as well. Jindal is a guy who got dealt one of the best hands in poker, then somehow misplayed it horribly. Indian-American, smart as hell... and now a political nobody. As a Louisianian, it makes me pretty sad. You need to making it through these amazing Republican primaries to rise up and their hardcore, primary voting base has become more receptive to people like Trump, racism and all. This comment means you basically don't read the polls. Trump's voters are primarily northeastern and those least likely to actually turn out in the primaries. Source? I find it hard to believe that the anti-establishment types salivating over Trump are not the people who will be first in line when it comes time for the primaries. The Tea Party has done just that in the past, and while there is not a direct overlap between the Tea Party and Trump's Supporters, his supporters are the most fired up of any voter group out there right now, and historically those are the people that show up to primaries. Who knows what it will look like in a year, however.
I looked at 4 polls and all I could find was Trump pooling high, but his nation wide unfavorables in the high 50s and 60s among registered voters. And this number with registered Republicans be high.
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I bet more than a few wish that very conservative number was higher. He's winning independents more than republicans, and very conservative voters simply have better options. Enough of those comical racist-baiters, in this thread and elsewhere. They'd better start vilifying the politically unaffiliated now if they have an ounce of ideological congruency.
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Man o man, this birthright citizenship issue is hilariously sad. Republicans are all about the constitution until it disagrees with them, then amending it is necessary.
Huckabee representing the part of the party that wants to use the military to force rape victims to birth their rapist's child even if it kills a 10-year old child in the process, and the Trump faction pushing to deport American children if their parents aren't here legally, just wow.
Meanwhile the more sane Republicans get little or no traction. While this election so far is proof of what I've been saying about the party for years, for the sake of the country and process, I'm kind of starting to wish I was wrong.
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Hillary Clinton distanced herself Tuesday from President Barack Obama’s decision to approve offshore drilling in the Arctic — a move that quickly drew attacks from the GOP but may shore up her support among skeptical environmentalists.
“The Arctic is a unique treasure,” the Democratic front-runner wrote on Twitter. “Given what we know, it’s not worth the risk.”
The message was signed “H.,” indicating Clinton’s personal endorsement.
Clinton’s comments, a day after the Interior Department gave Shell permission to drill for oil off Alaska’s coast, represent one of her clearest breaks to date with the Obama administration. It contrasts with her refusal to take a stand on the proposed Keystone XL oil pipeline — or to break explicitly with the administration on Pacific trade, though she has raised reservations about the White House’s proposal, or the Iran nuclear deal, which she supports.
Her statement comes as she struggles with less-than-enthusiastic support among Democratic voters in key early states, especially in the face of the progressive challenge from Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders. And Arctic drilling is a relatively safe issue on which to get to the left of the White House, allowing her to earn plaudits from environmentalists without much risk of stirring animosity from the rest of her party.
Greens see it as something bigger — the latest sign that Clinton will make the environment a core part of her presidential campaign, reflecting a growing sentiment among Democratic operatives that climate change is a winning issue against the GOP.
Either way, Republicans swiftly bashed her Arctic stance Tuesday — something that will certainly not hurt her standing with Democratic primary voters.
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On August 19 2015 05:18 GreenHorizons wrote:
Man o man, this birthright citizenship issue is hilariously sad. Republicans are all about the constitution until it disagrees with them, then amending it is necessary.
Huckabee representing the part of the party that wants to use the military to force rape victims to birth their rapist's child even if it kills a 10-year old child in the process, and the Trump faction pushing to deport American children if their parents aren't here legally, just wow.
Meanwhile the more sane Republicans get little or no traction. While this election so far is proof of what I've been saying about the party for years, for the sake of the country and process, I'm kind of starting to wish I was wrong.
This had to be one of the dumbest posts I've read here... and that's saying a lot.
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On August 19 2015 09:18 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2015 05:18 GreenHorizons wrote:
Man o man, this birthright citizenship issue is hilariously sad. Republicans are all about the constitution until it disagrees with them, then amending it is necessary.
Huckabee representing the part of the party that wants to use the military to force rape victims to birth their rapist's child even if it kills a 10-year old child in the process, and the Trump faction pushing to deport American children if their parents aren't here legally, just wow.
Meanwhile the more sane Republicans get little or no traction. While this election so far is proof of what I've been saying about the party for years, for the sake of the country and process, I'm kind of starting to wish I was wrong. This had to be one of the dumbest posts I've read here... and that's saying a lot.
lol, "Nuh-uh yours is dumb". Seriously I can't make this stuff up. What's "dumb" about it?
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On August 19 2015 09:44 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2015 09:18 jellyjello wrote:On August 19 2015 05:18 GreenHorizons wrote:
Man o man, this birthright citizenship issue is hilariously sad. Republicans are all about the constitution until it disagrees with them, then amending it is necessary.
Huckabee representing the part of the party that wants to use the military to force rape victims to birth their rapist's child even if it kills a 10-year old child in the process, and the Trump faction pushing to deport American children if their parents aren't here legally, just wow.
Meanwhile the more sane Republicans get little or no traction. While this election so far is proof of what I've been saying about the party for years, for the sake of the country and process, I'm kind of starting to wish I was wrong. This had to be one of the dumbest posts I've read here... and that's saying a lot. lol, "Nuh-uh yours is dumb". Seriously I can't make this stuff up. What's "dumb" about it?
Well there is the nagging inconsistency of the contemporary 'left' in which they yell worker solidarity, higher wages, and greater bargaining power (via the State), which, is incongruous with a system whereby the average worker via the laws of supply and demand drives their wages lower via increased competition, a fractured work-place with a diversity of world views that can be/are incompatible, and a system that strains the all ready strained social welfare net. That's really pretty dumb to me, but then again, hypocrisy and working against ones own internalized self-interests are so common-place in politics.
I mean, both libertarians and 'the left' (as nebulous as this term can be...let's just say Marxists, Socialists, Fabians, etc.), are for open borders, but one does it out of consistency to first-principles that are internally logical, and one does it, because...well, to be quite frank, to be reactionary. That's really the polemics of modern day politics though isn't it. You're a Democrat, He's a Republican, wear these as your religions on your sleeve and self-isolate. For all the poo-poo'ing of partisanry these last 8 years, I must admit you're mightily blinded by really thick glasses.
Well, then there is the abyss that is contemporary culture and SJWisms, which I suppose, is another area which will eventually collapse when one identity group realizes that their allies in the other identity group is actually their vaunted oppressors. We saw this with BLM. I think Camille Paglia puts this better than I, but nonetheless, our culture is shallow and extremely banal.
Which brings me back to - if you're really for all these promises to the working class, how can you support open borders? Well, first and foremost you're a SJW, so workers aren't really your ideological target - they're not the raison d'etre of your worldview. But the racists, manufactured or real, that is! I wonder when the rust-belt will wake up to this elitism. They've been useful idiots for a while now as part of a core Democrat constituency. Don't get me started on Republicans and the bible belt.
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On August 19 2015 09:44 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2015 09:18 jellyjello wrote:On August 19 2015 05:18 GreenHorizons wrote:
Man o man, this birthright citizenship issue is hilariously sad. Republicans are all about the constitution until it disagrees with them, then amending it is necessary.
Huckabee representing the part of the party that wants to use the military to force rape victims to birth their rapist's child even if it kills a 10-year old child in the process, and the Trump faction pushing to deport American children if their parents aren't here legally, just wow.
Meanwhile the more sane Republicans get little or no traction. While this election so far is proof of what I've been saying about the party for years, for the sake of the country and process, I'm kind of starting to wish I was wrong. This had to be one of the dumbest posts I've read here... and that's saying a lot. lol, "Nuh-uh yours is dumb". Seriously I can't make this stuff up. What's "dumb" about it?
You're using ridiculously extreme straw man arguments to stereotype entire camps in the Republican party. Can you imagine asking a single Huckabee supporter if they want 10 year old children to die in childbirth. Or a Trump supporter if they want to see American children deported? You're using adverse side effects (and in the 10yr old dying in childbirth, ridiculously rare I might add) to discredit/mock entire Republican camps.
I hate the abortion question of "but what if it'll save the mothers life" too. As if it happens all the time. The statistics are ridiculously rare these days in modern medicine, it feels like a question out of the 1800's or something. I guess it's asked to try and solidify a candidates abortion stance, but to be honest that's one of the least important issues I'd care what a president thinks anyway.
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On August 19 2015 10:48 LuckyFool wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2015 09:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 19 2015 09:18 jellyjello wrote:On August 19 2015 05:18 GreenHorizons wrote:
Man o man, this birthright citizenship issue is hilariously sad. Republicans are all about the constitution until it disagrees with them, then amending it is necessary.
Huckabee representing the part of the party that wants to use the military to force rape victims to birth their rapist's child even if it kills a 10-year old child in the process, and the Trump faction pushing to deport American children if their parents aren't here legally, just wow.
Meanwhile the more sane Republicans get little or no traction. While this election so far is proof of what I've been saying about the party for years, for the sake of the country and process, I'm kind of starting to wish I was wrong. This had to be one of the dumbest posts I've read here... and that's saying a lot. lol, "Nuh-uh yours is dumb". Seriously I can't make this stuff up. What's "dumb" about it? You're using ridiculously extreme straw man arguments to stereotype entire camps in the Republican party. Can you imagine asking a single Huckabee supporter if they want 10 year old children to die in childbirth. Or a Trump supporter if they want to see American children deported? You're using adverse side effects (and in the 10yr old dying in childbirth, ridiculously rare I might add) to discredit/mock entire Republican camps. I hate the abortion question of "but what if it'll save the mothers life" too. As if it happens all the time. The statistics are ridiculously rare these days in modern medicine, it feels like a question out of the 1800's or something. I guess it's asked to try and solidify a candidates abortion stance, but to be honest that's one of the least important issues I'd care what a president thinks anyway.
Huckabee literally wants 10 year old rape victims to have to give birth regardless of the health consequences:
GOP presidential candidate and former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee said that he supports the decision to deny an abortion to a 10-year-old rape victim in Paraguay.
time.com
And Donald Trump literally wants to deny citizenship to children of illegal immigrants, which will literally cause some to be deported.
I think it's fair to say that their supporters support these views. It's funny that you think talking about the actual views of these groups equates to discrediting and mocking them.
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It would help if people understood that the most insane members of the Republican party are the front runners right now. So we have to assume that there are members of the Republican parties that want to force 10 year olds to have children because God would want that. I understand that moderate republicans might now like it. But you can't throw stones at the wackjobs on the left and then boohoo when someone points out that leading Republican wants to build the Great Wall of America and force Mexico to pay for it.
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