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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44052 Posts
July 09 2015 03:28 GMT
#41761
On July 09 2015 12:22 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 12:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
NBC interview with Donald Trump, for a half hour, and I think the interviewer (Katy Tur) got demolished. As much as I think Trump is an asshole and would be an awful president, I think he came off really well here. Katy was unprepared, intimidated, and came off as explicitly trying to put down Trump over and over again with seemingly biased questions, with nothing really sticking.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/watch-the-full-unedited-donald-trump-interview-480244291643


Yeah I thought the same thing, he's good at what he does, I would let him negotiate some stuff for sure. Just give him his bottom line and let the guy do his thing.

I thought it was pretty funny when she made him admit he is still a birther though.


Yeah that was pretty much the closest thing to a "gotcha!" moment I could find, but he still did a decent job of glossing over it and making it seem like a minor, irrelevant detail (despite it really not being minor, based on how seriously insistent Trump had been over the longevity of the birther "issue").
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44052 Posts
July 09 2015 03:30 GMT
#41762
On July 09 2015 12:18 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 12:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
NBC interview with Donald Trump, for a half hour, and I think the interviewer (Katy Tur) got demolished. As much as I think Trump is an asshole and would be an awful president, I think he came off really well here. Katy was unprepared, intimidated, and came off as explicitly trying to put down Trump over and over again with seemingly biased questions, with nothing really sticking.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/watch-the-full-unedited-donald-trump-interview-480244291643

You don't get as far as Trump has by being a dumbass. Sending the B-team to interrogate him is not going to end well.


I agree. He does this stuff for a living.

Who do you think would be a competent enough interviewer... one that could actually hold his feet to the fire for some serious crap that Trump has done or said, and not come out looking completely defeated by Trump? Maybe Anderson Cooper?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23010 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-09 03:39:57
July 09 2015 03:38 GMT
#41763
On July 09 2015 12:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 12:18 xDaunt wrote:
On July 09 2015 12:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
NBC interview with Donald Trump, for a half hour, and I think the interviewer (Katy Tur) got demolished. As much as I think Trump is an asshole and would be an awful president, I think he came off really well here. Katy was unprepared, intimidated, and came off as explicitly trying to put down Trump over and over again with seemingly biased questions, with nothing really sticking.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/watch-the-full-unedited-donald-trump-interview-480244291643

You don't get as far as Trump has by being a dumbass. Sending the B-team to interrogate him is not going to end well.


I agree. He does this stuff for a living.

Who do you think would be a competent enough interviewer... one that could actually hold his feet to the fire for some serious crap that Trump has done or said, and not come out looking completely defeated by Trump? Maybe Anderson Cooper?


Chis Mathews is pretty good at holding his own (when he does his research or talking about the 70's), O'Reilly did alright, but Trump kind of walked all over him too.

I'm not sure anyone can really hang with Trump interview wise though. Cooper seems like a reasonable option though.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 09 2015 04:04 GMT
#41764
Today, Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush, who as of-late has gone relatively gaffe-free, uttered a phrase that may not go over too well with the constituency he seeks to reach. During an interview that was live-streamed on the app Periscope, Bush told New Hampshire's "The Union Leader" that to grow the economy, "people should work longer hours."

He was answering a question about his plans for tax reform and responded:

"My aspiration for the country and I believe we can achieve it, is 4 percent growth as far as the eye can see. Which means we have to be a lot more productive, workforce participation has to rise from its all-time modern lows. It means that people need to work longer hours" and, through their productivity, gain more income for their families. That's the only way we're going to get out of this rut that we're in."

Already the Democratic National Committee has pounced, releasing a statement that calls his remarks "easily one of the most out-of-touch comments we've heard so far this cycle," adding that Bush would not fight for the middle class as president.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 09 2015 04:06 GMT
#41765
It's tricky for interviewers - if you stand your ground and call people out on their bullshit, you'll develop a reputation for toughness and some people will avoid being interviewed by you. After all, a politician's handlers are super-careful with a politician's media appearances, and tend to avoid putting their bosses in a tough spot. A disastrous interview can absolutely destroy a career or reputation (numerous examples, Sarah Palin comes to mind first), so many may not be willing to schedule an interview if they are likely to get grilled. Thus, interviewers have an incentive to play softball sometimes with the candidate to maintain relationships and reputation so that they can continue to get access to future interviews.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
July 09 2015 04:30 GMT
#41766
On July 09 2015 13:06 Bagration wrote:
It's tricky for interviewers - if you stand your ground and call people out on their bullshit, you'll develop a reputation for toughness and some people will avoid being interviewed by you. After all, a politician's handlers are super-careful with a politician's media appearances, and tend to avoid putting their bosses in a tough spot. A disastrous interview can absolutely destroy a career or reputation (numerous examples, Sarah Palin comes to mind first), so many may not be willing to schedule an interview if they are likely to get grilled. Thus, interviewers have an incentive to play softball sometimes with the candidate to maintain relationships and reputation so that they can continue to get access to future interviews.


That is exactly what this interviewer attempted to do. She obviously hates (or was instructed to act with contempt toward) Trump and to try and get some explosive, discrediting, racist tidbits. She failed because they basically sent a first year law student into a debate against Scalia. She also (probably) failed because its probable he actually isn't any of the caricatures the media portray him to be.

Also, i LOL at people who think AC360 would do a good job, now there's another guy who is JV, and doesn't understand how to get a good interview out of someone he disagrees with. To get a good interview out of Trump, you would at least need to understand Trump and not have contempt for Trump (because if he sensed that he would just go into rhetorical steamroller mode). Maybe Greta or Kelley on Fox, O'Reilly is too loud himself to get anything interesting out of anyone unless he utterly destroys them (which he can do to some weaker interviewees).
Freeeeeeedom
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
July 09 2015 04:41 GMT
#41767
I don't even care for Trump, but he demolished that interviewer. It was actually a bit entertaining even if I disagree with Trump on a lot of issues. I wouldn't mind watching Chris Matthews interview him for a hour. Some fireworks for sure and both are intelligent. The problem with Trump though, is that he has no substance. It's all rhetoric. I think Matthews would hit that spot hard.

Also, lol @ Kelly. She is a dimwit lightweight. Just look at how she had to apologize to Rand. She's as antagonistic and less substance as Bill O'Reilly or Hannity is. We don't need 2 blowhards in one interview.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
July 09 2015 04:48 GMT
#41768
Am I out of touch with the political arena if I have no idea what goes on with these interviews? Or am I just missing a farcical theater?
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-09 04:50:55
July 09 2015 04:49 GMT
#41769
First year law students don't know shit about law yet though. A first year associate who graduated from a decent law school (like top 5 or whatever) with a decent background in Constitutional law would wreck Scalia I think. I'm not very impressed with the quality of his arguments as of late. The man issues opinions that conflict with his own previously written ones, he's clearly more interested in justifying his own positions than taking any sort of stance. At least Thomas and Roberts are consistent.

I'm glad Trump did okay in an interview. It'll keep his sham of a campaign and hairpiece in the spotlight a little longer, and his implosion will be the more spectacular for it.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
zf
Profile Joined April 2011
231 Posts
July 09 2015 04:59 GMT
#41770
On July 09 2015 13:49 ticklishmusic wrote:
A first year associate who graduated from a decent law school (like top 5 or whatever) with a decent background in Constitutional law would wreck Scalia I think. I'm not very impressed with the quality of his arguments as of late. The man issues opinions that conflict with his own previously written ones, he's clearly more interested in justifying his own positions than taking any sort of stance. At least Thomas and Roberts are consistent.

No. She wouldn't. Whatever you might think about Scalia's opinions in King or Obergefell, he isn't stupid. He exaggerates for effect.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44052 Posts
July 09 2015 05:04 GMT
#41771
On July 09 2015 12:38 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 12:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 09 2015 12:18 xDaunt wrote:
On July 09 2015 12:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
NBC interview with Donald Trump, for a half hour, and I think the interviewer (Katy Tur) got demolished. As much as I think Trump is an asshole and would be an awful president, I think he came off really well here. Katy was unprepared, intimidated, and came off as explicitly trying to put down Trump over and over again with seemingly biased questions, with nothing really sticking.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/watch-the-full-unedited-donald-trump-interview-480244291643

You don't get as far as Trump has by being a dumbass. Sending the B-team to interrogate him is not going to end well.


I agree. He does this stuff for a living.

Who do you think would be a competent enough interviewer... one that could actually hold his feet to the fire for some serious crap that Trump has done or said, and not come out looking completely defeated by Trump? Maybe Anderson Cooper?


Chis Mathews is pretty good at holding his own (when he does his research or talking about the 70's), O'Reilly did alright, but Trump kind of walked all over him too.

I'm not sure anyone can really hang with Trump interview wise though. Cooper seems like a reasonable option though.


I think Chris Matthews could be hit or miss, sure.

On July 09 2015 13:30 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 13:06 Bagration wrote:
It's tricky for interviewers - if you stand your ground and call people out on their bullshit, you'll develop a reputation for toughness and some people will avoid being interviewed by you. After all, a politician's handlers are super-careful with a politician's media appearances, and tend to avoid putting their bosses in a tough spot. A disastrous interview can absolutely destroy a career or reputation (numerous examples, Sarah Palin comes to mind first), so many may not be willing to schedule an interview if they are likely to get grilled. Thus, interviewers have an incentive to play softball sometimes with the candidate to maintain relationships and reputation so that they can continue to get access to future interviews.


That is exactly what this interviewer attempted to do. She obviously hates (or was instructed to act with contempt toward) Trump and to try and get some explosive, discrediting, racist tidbits. She failed because they basically sent a first year law student into a debate against Scalia. She also (probably) failed because its probable he actually isn't any of the caricatures the media portray him to be.

Also, i LOL at people who think AC360 would do a good job, now there's another guy who is JV, and doesn't understand how to get a good interview out of someone he disagrees with. To get a good interview out of Trump, you would at least need to understand Trump and not have contempt for Trump (because if he sensed that he would just go into rhetorical steamroller mode). Maybe Greta or Kelley on Fox, O'Reilly is too loud himself to get anything interesting out of anyone unless he utterly destroys them (which he can do to some weaker interviewees).


I really like your law/ Scalia analogy, but I don't know about Greta or Kelly as interviewers that would really put Trump to task (especially Greta... Kelly mayyybe). Maybe it's just poisoning the well, but I've pretty much lost any faith in Fox "News" to deliver anything appropriate.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15478 Posts
July 09 2015 05:05 GMT
#41772
I am stunned that Bush said people need to work longer hours. Ho-ly shit.

I can't wait for the general. What a god damn joke.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44052 Posts
July 09 2015 05:08 GMT
#41773
On July 09 2015 13:06 Bagration wrote:
It's tricky for interviewers - if you stand your ground and call people out on their bullshit, you'll develop a reputation for toughness and some people will avoid being interviewed by you. After all, a politician's handlers are super-careful with a politician's media appearances, and tend to avoid putting their bosses in a tough spot. A disastrous interview can absolutely destroy a career or reputation (numerous examples, Sarah Palin comes to mind first), so many may not be willing to schedule an interview if they are likely to get grilled. Thus, interviewers have an incentive to play softball sometimes with the candidate to maintain relationships and reputation so that they can continue to get access to future interviews.


Agreed; being an interviewer that appeals to both interviewees demanding softballs and audiences demanding hardball is a very hard line to balance.

Clearly, we just need a real-life Will McAvoy
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
July 09 2015 05:09 GMT
#41774
On July 09 2015 13:41 Wegandi wrote:
I don't even care for Trump, but he demolished that interviewer. It was actually a bit entertaining even if I disagree with Trump on a lot of issues. I wouldn't mind watching Chris Matthews interview him for a hour. Some fireworks for sure and both are intelligent. The problem with Trump though, is that he has no substance. It's all rhetoric. I think Matthews would hit that spot hard.

Also, lol @ Kelly. She is a dimwit lightweight. Just look at how she had to apologize to Rand. She's as antagonistic and less substance as Bill O'Reilly or Hannity is. We don't need 2 blowhards in one interview.

I don't disagree that Kelley isn't great, but the reason Matthews won't work is because Trump will go in knowing (or quickly identify) that he is in an "enemy" environment. You can't "beat" a guy as talented as Trump when he knows he is being attacked. The interview has a 50% chance of Trump just saying exactly what he wants while Matthews fails at interrupting him (which Trump is great at using against interviewers) and a 50% chance of it turning into Trump calling out Matthews and the liberal media and making him look like a partisan hack.

On July 09 2015 13:49 ticklishmusic wrote:
First year law students don't know shit about law yet though. A first year associate who graduated from a decent law school (like top 5 or whatever) with a decent background in Constitutional law would wreck Scalia I think. I'm not very impressed with the quality of his arguments as of late. The man issues opinions that conflict with his own previously written ones, he's clearly more interested in justifying his own positions than taking any sort of stance. At least Thomas and Roberts are consistent.

I'm glad Trump did okay in an interview. It'll keep his sham of a campaign and hairpiece in the spotlight a little longer, and his implosion will be the more spectacular for it.


You might not love his opinions, but as a semi-recent graduate of law school I think you vastly overestimate the..."education" you get there. Also from this I'd set the cutoff around 18, but that's me.

For oral arguments, I'd still put Scalia in the top 2 of SCOTUS justices along with Kagan when it comes to asking coherent, difficult to answer, and important questions.
Freeeeeeedom
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
July 09 2015 05:28 GMT
#41775
legal arguments are pretty low level. i'd rate most of it scholasticism tier
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23010 Posts
July 09 2015 05:30 GMT
#41776
I think Greta has the best potential if she really wanted to get into him, but I think Chris Mathews would be the best at exposing how little Trump knows about the actual job of President.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
zf
Profile Joined April 2011
231 Posts
July 09 2015 05:40 GMT
#41777
On July 09 2015 14:28 oneofthem wrote:
legal arguments are pretty low level. i'd rate most of it scholasticism tier

For sure, but Thomas Aquinas wasn't stupid.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
July 09 2015 05:57 GMT
#41778
Hard to believe people are actually treating Trump as a serious candidate. That's probably a victory enough in itself.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23010 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-09 05:58:56
July 09 2015 05:58 GMT
#41779
Speaking of The Donald...

PPP's newest North Carolina poll finds that Donald Trump's momentum just keeps on building. He's the top choice of Republican primary voters in the state, getting 16% to 12% for Jeb Bush and Scott Walker, 11% for Mike Huckabee, 9% for Ben Carson and Marco Rubio, 7% for Rand Paul, 6% for Ted Cruz, 5% for Chris Christie, 4% for Carly Fiorina, 2% for Rick Perry, 1% each for Lindsey Graham, Bobby Jindal, and Rick Santorum, and less than 1% each for John Kasich and George Pataki.

Trump's favorability rating in North Carolina is 55/32, much higher than we were finding in national polls prior to his entry into the race. Trump's really caught fire with voters on the far right- 66% of 'very conservative' voters see him favorably to only 24% with a negative view of him. Trump is polling particularly well with younger voters (29%) and men (20%).

Jeb Bush had been leading our previous few polls in North Carolina. But he continues to struggle with conservatives. Among 'very conservative' Republicans, only 37% see him favorably to 44% who have a negative opinion of him and only 7% of those voters support him for the nomination, putting him in 7th place in the GOP field. Bush's overall 43/35 favorability is the second worst of any of the 10 candidates we measured that for, besting only Chris Christie's 27/41 standing.

Mike Huckabee has the highest favorability rating of the GOP hopefuls in North Carolina at 65/19. Also with particularly good numbers are Marco Rubio at 57/16 and Ben Carson at 55/10. We're not generally finding those folks at the top of the heap when it comes to preference for the nomination, but they do have a lot of goodwill that might help them move up later.


Source
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
July 09 2015 06:33 GMT
#41780
I eagerly await him tanking the entire Presidential elections just for his personal ego/publicity stunt.

I'm sure someone can explain the merits in having a political system where two separate groups decide which two individuals the entire country is forced to choose from, because frankly I don't see any.
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