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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 09 2015 20:47 GMT
#41801
On July 10 2015 05:44 Shiragaku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 04:02 KwarK wrote:
Now I'm in the public sector I think I get 36 days of paid leave a year which works out at a little over 7 weeks. Sick leave allowance is on top of that. Better than what I had in the UK.

And here I am having to fight for 4 days unpaid vacation even though I put it in 6 months in advance.

The America Dream.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
July 09 2015 20:48 GMT
#41802
Private interest cannot be trusted with the welfare of the people it subordinates. Nowhere is this more true than in the service industry. Shit sucks.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 09 2015 20:54 GMT
#41803
Gotta hand it to the public sector, upping vacation time to European standards. I only wonder how long it'll be until tomorrow's demagogue makes a mandatory 4-6 weeks vacation for full-time workers (with or without corresponding legislation).
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23885 Posts
July 09 2015 21:01 GMT
#41804
On July 10 2015 05:54 Danglars wrote:
Gotta hand it to the public sector, upping vacation time to European standards. I only wonder how long it'll be until tomorrow's demagogue makes a mandatory 4-6 weeks vacation for full-time workers (with or without corresponding legislation).


The Horror!! The Horror!!!

If Bernie wins the primary this will probably be a 60-40 election at best (Bernie winning of course) people outside of the bubble are fed up with this kind of garbage.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-09 21:02:16
July 09 2015 21:01 GMT
#41805
Today's demagogue among many wants already overworked Americans like our friend Shiragaku to work longer hours.

Just keep your eye on the ball though, ignore all that, remember to complain about tomorrow's America that will as a matter of course look like Europe rather than today's America that sometimes looks unfair and hopeless. Then, invocate the hollow and played out threat of a supposed degradation of our nation's legal fictions when faced with clear evidence that they are already failing our citizens and for totally different reasons. Poof, there you have it.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23885 Posts
July 09 2015 21:13 GMT
#41806
On July 10 2015 06:01 farvacola wrote:
Today's demagogue among many wants already overworked Americans like our friend Shiragaku to work longer hours.

Just keep your eye on the ball though, ignore all that, remember to complain about tomorrow's America that will as a matter of course look like Europe rather than today's America that sometimes looks unfair and hopeless. Then, invocate the hollow and played out threat of a supposed degradation of our nation's legal fictions when faced with clear evidence that they are already failing our citizens and for totally different reasons. Poof, there you have it.



If only we could go back to the glory days of the last Republican administration where we were losing 750,000 jobs a month.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
July 09 2015 21:15 GMT
#41807
On July 10 2015 05:54 Danglars wrote:
Gotta hand it to the public sector, upping vacation time to European standards. I only wonder how long it'll be until tomorrow's demagogue makes a mandatory 4-6 weeks vacation for full-time workers (with or without corresponding legislation).

There are people out there who want to do more than working long miserable hours for really shitty pay just to make someone else rich.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 09 2015 21:28 GMT
#41808
On July 10 2015 06:15 Shiragaku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:54 Danglars wrote:
Gotta hand it to the public sector, upping vacation time to European standards. I only wonder how long it'll be until tomorrow's demagogue makes a mandatory 4-6 weeks vacation for full-time workers (with or without corresponding legislation).

There are people out there who want to do more than working long miserable hours for really shitty pay just to make someone else rich.

But...that's how you pull yourself up by your boot straps! How you expect to archive anything without working really hard like the people who manage hedge funds and other high paying jobs? Somewhere out there a tech bro is getting paid 200K a year from the VC because he writes code for the next Twitter. How can you expect to be that guy if you want to take days off 6 months from now?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 09 2015 21:49 GMT
#41809
WASHINGTON -- A bill to fund the Department of the Interior stalled Thursday after Republicans tried to add an amendment that would protect the Confederate flag in national cemeteries.

The measure had immediately sparked Democratic ire Wednesday night when it was added unexpectedly by Rep. Ken Calvert (R-Calif.). A swarm of lawmakers took to the House floor in the morning to condemn the move.

"Where did you stand when you had a chance to stand for righteousness?" asked Rep. Al Green (D-Texas), warning that in the future people will look back and assess where lawmakers stood. "I stand against this symbol. I stand for the American flag. I stand for justice."

"This amendment is a symbol of hate and anyone who supports it being in a place of honor is an insult to anyone who has experienced racism in their lives or believes in the American founding principles," said Rep. David Cicilline (D-R.I.). "It's time to relegate this symbol of hate to the dustbin of history. Take it down."

The outcry prompted House Speaker John Boehner to declare that the debate on the underlying spending bill would be put into "abeyance," although he did not say for how long.

Asked why the amendment was added to the bill -- after the House had voted on other provisions to remove the Confederate emblem in parks -- Boehner also was not clear.

"Our members rightly tried to address their concerns in a way yesterday that was consistent with how the Obama administration has handled this issue. I frankly support the goal of trying to work with all the parties to address their concerns," he told reporters, before making it clear that he himself opposes flying that symbol of hatred at federal cemeteries.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10876 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-09 21:56:59
July 09 2015 21:56 GMT
#41810
On July 10 2015 05:54 Danglars wrote:
Gotta hand it to the public sector, upping vacation time to European standards. I only wonder how long it'll be until tomorrow's demagogue makes a mandatory 4-6 weeks vacation for full-time workers (with or without corresponding legislation).


Your post is bullshit but, just to give you a "normal" response.

After a certain paygrade/standing in a firm, most EU countries don't force a certain amount of hours/week or vacations/year on employes and while europe is probably not top notch when it comes to "dumb IT stuff for the masses that make news like apple, facebook and twitter), its still top notch in many other industry sectors (pharma, cars, robotics...)
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 09 2015 22:01 GMT
#41811
Donald Trump has set himself apart from the crowded Republican presidential field by refusing to back off from his derogatory comments about Mexican immigrants – and a new poll shows that strategy could be working with voters.

Trump leads the GOP pack in this week’s Economist/YouGov poll, with 15 percent of registered Republican voters calling the billionaire-reality TV star their first-choice candidate for 2016. Another 12 percent said Trump was their second choice for the Republican nomination.

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) polled 4 points behind Trump with 11 percent each. Wis. Gov. Scott Walker, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee tied in third place, each with 9 percent.

But despite Trump’s apparent lift among Republican voters, only 7 percent of respondents said they believe it’s likely Trump will be the party’s eventual nominee, while 29 percent said they expected Bush to take the nomination.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23885 Posts
July 09 2015 22:04 GMT
#41812
On July 10 2015 06:56 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:54 Danglars wrote:
Gotta hand it to the public sector, upping vacation time to European standards. I only wonder how long it'll be until tomorrow's demagogue makes a mandatory 4-6 weeks vacation for full-time workers (with or without corresponding legislation).


Your post is bullshit but, just to give you a "normal" response.

After a certain paygrade/standing in a firm, most EU countries don't force a certain amount of hours/week or vacations/year on employes and while europe is probably not top notch when it comes to "dumb IT stuff for the masses that make news like apple, facebook and twitter), its still top notch in many other industry sectors (pharma, cars, robotics...)


You have to remember this is in a context where GWB charges veterans $100k to speak for a fundraiser for veterans (many who need the money because of being part of a war he lead us into under false pretenses).

Because, you know, he needs the money more than they do.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 09 2015 22:15 GMT
#41813
I work about 50 hours a week with 3 weeks PTO. I love my job though.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 09 2015 22:18 GMT
#41814
On July 10 2015 06:01 farvacola wrote:
Today's demagogue among many wants already overworked Americans like our friend Shiragaku to work longer hours.

Just keep your eye on the ball though, ignore all that, remember to complain about tomorrow's America that will as a matter of course look like Europe rather than today's America that sometimes looks unfair and hopeless. Then, invocate the hollow and played out threat of a supposed degradation of our nation's legal fictions when faced with clear evidence that they are already failing our citizens and for totally different reasons. Poof, there you have it.

Right, the overplayed notions of nations ruled by heartless laws, rather than dear leaders that know today's workers are overworked. We should put stock in compassionate revolution, to enshrine practices by executive edicts that protect healthcare and vacations. Understand the cruel bourgeois must be stopped. The nations laws have failed the citizen--what better start to a softened cry for revolt (but the revolution is already underway).

I only wonder which branch of the legislature shall be the means: Congress, the Executive, or the courts.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
July 09 2015 22:21 GMT
#41815
Your understanding of the powers and responsibilities accorded each of the branches is as stilted as your language. Alas, but for the usurpation of the legislature's prerogative to grind this nation to a halt, we might have dwelt among the angels and cherubs of civic republicanism.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10876 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-09 22:22:03
July 09 2015 22:21 GMT
#41816
While randomly browsing youtube (mostly daily show and last week tonight) i wandered about rachel madows show... Which i think is terrible and seriously, i haven't seen a person on tv I dislike more)(.. BUT she said that Obama declared an executive order (so its now law, right?) that people that earn over 5x'xxxx have to get overtime pay now and this would affect millions of americans.

Why wasn't this mentioned anywhere here?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
July 09 2015 22:27 GMT
#41817
In order for an executive order to develop any teeth, it needs a substantial amount of time to trickle down the system. In other words, once the order is issued, the relevant executive agencies must take notice and then look to their statutory authority in justifying their newly issued prerogative. If the executive and the legislature were working together as they have in the past, the legislature would take notice of the order and possibly get to work on new legislation that strengthens the presidential decree and gives it added statutory authority. This hasn't really happened at all during the Obama Administration, though.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23885 Posts
July 09 2015 22:32 GMT
#41818
On July 10 2015 07:27 farvacola wrote:
In order for an executive order to develop any teeth, it needs a substantial amount of time to trickle down the system. In other words, once the order is issued, the relevant executive agencies must take notice and then look to their statutory authority in justifying their newly issued prerogative. If the executive and the legislature were working together as they have in the past, the legislature would take notice of the order and possibly get to work on new legislation that strengthens the presidential decree and gives it added statutory authority. This hasn't really happened at all during the Obama Administration, though.



To be fair Democrats sent him the letter urging him to do it months ago
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
July 09 2015 22:33 GMT
#41819
That doesn't matter; the order must be issued in order for anything to start happening.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 09 2015 22:34 GMT
#41820
On July 10 2015 05:17 Simberto wrote:
I kinda hope that Trump wins the republican primary, that would mean that noone would have to worry about "electability" when considering Bernie Sanders, who appears to be the single reasonable presidential candidate the US has had in a long while. His policy apparently consists of fixing a lot of the things that are obviously broken in the US, but which a lot of americans seem to like due to some weird sort of Stockholm syndrome, or don't dare speak against because that would make them unamerican communists.


Well, I definitely agree that many voters are not the most rational, and in my opinion many Republican voters vote directly against their own economic interests (traditional Republican states are the biggest recipients of welfare, yet they scream for smaller government and tax cuts for the wealthy).

But policy is all about trade-offs. A stronger social net will require more government spending, which means less spending elsewhere, higher taxes, or more debt. While many EU citizens are horrified by the US' relatively weak social net, you also have a lot of Americans who are surprised by EU's relatively high tax rates. It's a different system, a different political culture, so it's no surprise that there will be differences. We've been spoiled by low taxes - and it's gonna be difficult to change that.
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