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As much as one might want to, one shouldn't swing at everything the RNC pitches 
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On July 09 2015 01:23 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 01:13 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 09 2015 01:08 QuanticHawk wrote:
ah yes, I almost forgot that our voting machines have options have buttons for strongly support, moderately support, etc etc...
does faux outrage ever get tiring to you? I'm not outraged, I just would be pissed if the DNC was using deceptive marketing crap like that, which is clearly designed to trick people (even if just initially) and obviously does trick some people despite it's absurdity. That, and it just looks pathetic and desperate with some of the names on there. It's basically a survey to see how people feel about each candidate, and how likely they would be willing to support that candidate in the general election. It's important because chances are, most people's favorite candidate will not be the nominee, yet the RNC has to make sure they can identify a candidate that the party would unify behind, and push those candidates forward if need be.
Why are the biggest words printed
Presidential Primary Ballot ?
If not because it's a typical deceptive marketing technique? Making people think a piece of mail is something that it isn't.
If it's a survey or fundraising that should be in the title, not "Presidential Primary Ballot".
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So we had a few people discussing the Sanders candidacy. Here's an interesting piece regarding Sanders' odds from Politico
While Sen. Bernie Sanders has taken the first step in any successful liberal insurgency, striking a nerve with a faction of voters, he appears to be on the verge of bumping up against his natural ceiling. To go from having his 15 minutes to being a true contender, the Vermonter is going to have to get out of his comfort zone. Maybe lay off the single-payer health care, drop the trillion-dollar price tag on his jobs bill or even *gasp* start a Super PAC
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-2016-elections-119809.html#ixzz3fJqXJ8WT
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On July 09 2015 01:43 Bagration wrote:So we had a few people discussing the Sanders candidacy. Here's an interesting piece regarding Sanders' odds from Politico Show nested quote +While Sen. Bernie Sanders has taken the first step in any successful liberal insurgency, striking a nerve with a faction of voters, he appears to be on the verge of bumping up against his natural ceiling. To go from having his 15 minutes to being a true contender, the Vermonter is going to have to get out of his comfort zone. Maybe lay off the single-payer health care, drop the trillion-dollar price tag on his jobs bill or even *gasp* start a Super PAC Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-2016-elections-119809.html#ixzz3fJqXJ8WTSource
Typical piece on Bernie from a Clinton supporter. He's well over 250,000 people who have donated (more than anyone else) and raised more money than many Republicans. Plus him not begging the billionaire class is much of his appeal.
Hillary needs Bernie to do what she does so he loses his appeal, it's actually pretty funny, considering a month earlier the same guy was saying he wasn't progressive enough.
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On July 09 2015 01:51 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 01:43 Bagration wrote:So we had a few people discussing the Sanders candidacy. Here's an interesting piece regarding Sanders' odds from Politico While Sen. Bernie Sanders has taken the first step in any successful liberal insurgency, striking a nerve with a faction of voters, he appears to be on the verge of bumping up against his natural ceiling. To go from having his 15 minutes to being a true contender, the Vermonter is going to have to get out of his comfort zone. Maybe lay off the single-payer health care, drop the trillion-dollar price tag on his jobs bill or even *gasp* start a Super PAC Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-2016-elections-119809.html#ixzz3fJqXJ8WTSource Typical piece on Bernie from a Clinton supporter. He's well over 250,000 people who have donated (more than anyone else) and raised more money than many Republicans. Plus him not begging the billionaire class is much of his appeal. Hillary needs Bernie to do what she does so he loses his appeal, it's actually pretty funny, considering a month earlier the same guy was saying he wasn't progressive enough.
I am curious to see if Bernie will adapt his views as the campaign goes on. I think the article does make a good point that some of his views are not sustainable. In a general election, his opponent would simply cherry pick his most liberal positions and hit him repeatedly.
As an aside on the general state of US politics, I think there's been too much emphasis recently on candidates sticking to their "values" and not compromising, and not enough emphasis on pragmatism and flexibility. We need more bi-partisanship in this country.
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On July 09 2015 01:59 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 01:51 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 09 2015 01:43 Bagration wrote:So we had a few people discussing the Sanders candidacy. Here's an interesting piece regarding Sanders' odds from Politico While Sen. Bernie Sanders has taken the first step in any successful liberal insurgency, striking a nerve with a faction of voters, he appears to be on the verge of bumping up against his natural ceiling. To go from having his 15 minutes to being a true contender, the Vermonter is going to have to get out of his comfort zone. Maybe lay off the single-payer health care, drop the trillion-dollar price tag on his jobs bill or even *gasp* start a Super PAC Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-2016-elections-119809.html#ixzz3fJqXJ8WTSource Typical piece on Bernie from a Clinton supporter. He's well over 250,000 people who have donated (more than anyone else) and raised more money than many Republicans. Plus him not begging the billionaire class is much of his appeal. Hillary needs Bernie to do what she does so he loses his appeal, it's actually pretty funny, considering a month earlier the same guy was saying he wasn't progressive enough. I am curious to see if Bernie will adapt his views as the campaign goes on. I think the article does make a good point that some of his views are not sustainable. In a general election, his opponent would simply cherry pick his most liberal positions and hit him repeatedly. As an aside on the general state of US politics, I think there's been too much emphasis recently on candidates sticking to their "values" and not compromising, and not enough emphasis on pragmatism and flexibility. We need more bi-partisanship in this country.
Bernie has a long history of being pragmatic when it comes to what he accomplishes. There's a reason he's been so successful, and it hasn't been from backing down from what he believes in. He does however understand progress is more important than principle.
lol Trump just doubled down on still being a birther.
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On July 09 2015 01:13 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 01:08 QuanticHawk wrote:
ah yes, I almost forgot that our voting machines have options have buttons for strongly support, moderately support, etc etc...
does faux outrage ever get tiring to you? I'm not outraged, I just would be pissed if the DNC was using deceptive marketing crap like that, which is clearly designed to trick people (even if just initially) and obviously does trick some people despite it's absurdity. That, and it just looks pathetic and desperate with some of the names on there.
The only way it could possibly trick someone (who hasn't preemptively decided to be tricked and outraged no matter what) is if you have literally never voted before and never saw a survey before, don't ever read things, and have a habit of mailing money without reading things.
likewise, it would only seem pathetic and desperate if you were willingly trying to ignore that it's very clearly a survey meant gauge the values of registered republicans, as well as what party prominent members their ideals most align with (ie. if Rice gets a lot of support they will bug her to run for something). That's... kind of the purpose of surveys
the only way this could even possibly be confusing is if you're just looking for things to get riled up about (aka what Rachel Maddow is meant to do).
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On July 09 2015 02:28 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 01:13 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 09 2015 01:08 QuanticHawk wrote:
ah yes, I almost forgot that our voting machines have options have buttons for strongly support, moderately support, etc etc...
does faux outrage ever get tiring to you? I'm not outraged, I just would be pissed if the DNC was using deceptive marketing crap like that, which is clearly designed to trick people (even if just initially) and obviously does trick some people despite it's absurdity. That, and it just looks pathetic and desperate with some of the names on there. The only way it could possibly trick someone (who hasn't preemptively decided to be tricked and outraged no matter what) is if you have literally never voted before and never saw a survey before, don't ever read things, and have a habit of mailing money without reading things. likewise, it would only seem pathetic and desperate if you were willingly trying to ignore that it's very clearly a survey meant gauge the values of registered republicans, as well as what party prominent members their ideals most align with (ie. if Rice gets a lot of support they will bug her to run). That's... kind of the purpose of surveys the only way this could even possibly be confusing is if you're just looking for things to get riled up about (aka what Rachel Maddow is meant to do).
You (in bold) basically described a huge subset of consumers. There are entire companies that are wholly dependent on such behaviors.
I used to spend hours everyday talking to people who sent my company money without reading why they were doing it.
It's obviously deceptive (even if only to the grossly ignorant or foreign born) why bother being deceptive?
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I like how Trump actually made money off of ESPN and Nascar pulling out of their deals. He kept their deposits and rented out the venues to other corporations making double the money lmao
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On July 09 2015 02:36 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 02:28 QuanticHawk wrote:On July 09 2015 01:13 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 09 2015 01:08 QuanticHawk wrote:
ah yes, I almost forgot that our voting machines have options have buttons for strongly support, moderately support, etc etc...
does faux outrage ever get tiring to you? I'm not outraged, I just would be pissed if the DNC was using deceptive marketing crap like that, which is clearly designed to trick people (even if just initially) and obviously does trick some people despite it's absurdity. That, and it just looks pathetic and desperate with some of the names on there. The only way it could possibly trick someone (who hasn't preemptively decided to be tricked and outraged no matter what) is if you have literally never voted before and never saw a survey before, don't ever read things, and have a habit of mailing money without reading things. likewise, it would only seem pathetic and desperate if you were willingly trying to ignore that it's very clearly a survey meant gauge the values of registered republicans, as well as what party prominent members their ideals most align with (ie. if Rice gets a lot of support they will bug her to run). That's... kind of the purpose of surveys the only way this could even possibly be confusing is if you're just looking for things to get riled up about (aka what Rachel Maddow is meant to do). You (in bold) basically described a huge subset of consumers. There are entire companies that are wholly dependent on such behaviors. I used to spend hours everyday talking to people who sent my company money without reading why they were doing it. It's obviously deceptive (even if only to the grossly ignorant or foreign born) why bother being deceptive?
To be honest, I thought it was a voting form.
But then again, I also thought they listed the candidates in order to downplay some of them and I found out it's just alphabetical lol.
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On July 09 2015 02:44 whatisthisasheep wrote:
I like how Trump actually made money off of ESPN and Nascar pulling out of their deals. He kept their deposits and rented out the venues to other corporations making double the money lmao
Short-term, sure. But whether he stays marketable long-term with all the crap he keeps spewing?
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edit: made a thread instead.
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On July 09 2015 03:32 dAPhREAk wrote:interesting story coming out of my backyard, San Francisco. cant wait to see the wrongful death lawsuit against San Francisco. San Francisco Murder Case Exposes Lapses in Immigration Enforcement Show nested quote +The case of a Mexican laborer with a lengthy criminal record who was charged on Tuesday in the fatal shooting of an American woman on a pier in San Francisco has exposed a gulf of mistrust and failed communication between the federal authorities and the police in California over immigration enforcement.
The man, most recently known as Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez, 56, pleaded not guilty in Superior Court in San Francisco in the murder of Kathryn Steinle, 32, who was strolling last Wednesday with her father and a friend on Pier 14 near the Ferry Building when she was struck in what the police described as a random shooting. Mr. Lopez-Sanchez, whose criminal record includes seven felony convictions, had been deported from the United States five times, raising questions about why he was in the United States.
Questions were also raised late Tuesday about the gun used in the killing. A law enforcement official confirmed local media reports that the serial number showed the gun belonged to a federal agent. The official declined to be identified because he was not authorized to speak publicly.
The case immediately became fodder in the polarized debate over immigration. Donald J. Trump, the Republican presidential candidate, who has been under fire for comments about Mexican immigrants, pointed to the killing as “yet another example of why we must secure our border immediately.” On Tuesday, Hillary Rodham Clinton, a Democratic presidential contender, said San Francisco had “made a mistake.” And Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, also a Democrat, called on the city to restore its cooperation with the Obama administration in enforcing immigration laws.
The lapse in the case of Mr. Lopez-Sanchez — also known as José Inez García Zarate and several other names — did not occur at the border, legal records show. After being deported in June 2009, he tried to return three months later but was stopped by agents at the crossing in Eagle Pass, Tex. He was then prosecuted for a felony of illegal entry and served almost four years in a federal prison in California.
When he finished his sentence, the prison sent him to San Francisco on March 27, based on a warrant for a 20-year-old felony marijuana charge. Within a day, a local court dismissed the charges. Sheriff Ross Mirkarimi of San Francisco said Mr. Lopez-Sanchez stayed in jail for three weeks so the authorities could verify that he was eligible for release. He was freed April 15.
At that point, communications between San Francisco and federal authorities broke down.
Federal officials say that as soon as they learned of Mr. Lopez-Sanchez’s transfer from federal prison to San Francisco, they issued a request to Sheriff Mirkarimi to notify them when he would be released. An order for his deportation was ready.
“We are just asking for a heads-up, a phone call,” said Gillian Christensen, a spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE. “We did not hear anything until the day this young woman was killed.”
A San Francisco ordinance, passed in 2013, broadly restricts the police from cooperating with immigration agents. City officials say the so-called sanctuary law has helped law enforcement by enhancing trust between the police and residents who are immigrants without documents.
Sheriff Mirkarimi said the city’s ordinance allowed him to respond to the federal authorities only when he had a court order or warrant.
“They had his rap sheet and they were well aware of our policies,” the sheriff said in a telephone interview Tuesday. “The natural question is, why wouldn’t they follow through with a warrant for this suspect?”
He said Ms. Steinle’s killing was “a horrible and senseless act that requires ICE to really work with local governments in a way that comports with local law.”
The Obama administration has long struggled to shape an enforcement strategy to deport convicted criminals like Mr. Lopez-Sanchez but avoid the deportation of undocumented immigrants arrested by the police for low-level offenses. In November, President Obama said he would abandon a nationwide program known as Secure Communities, which connected federal agents with local police. Officials announced a new, less aggressive program, but they have been slow to explain it to the police.
All but a few California counties have adopted laws restricting cooperation with federal agents, and the state enacted a law in 2014 — although it would not have applied to Mr. Lopez-Sanchez because of his criminal record.
In a halting, often incoherent interview from the jailhouse on Monday with KGO-TV in San Francisco, Mr. Lopez-Sanchez said that he had found a gun wrapped in a T-shirt under a bench on the pier, and that when he picked it up, it had fired three shots.
Speaking in Spanish, he said he did not remember the events well because he had taken sleeping pills. But he said, “When I go to the court, I am going to plead guilty,” and added, “I want to have the punishment I deserve as quickly as possible.”
Ms. Steinle was “the most amazing, loving, outgoing person,” her brother Brad Steinle told Anderson Cooper on CNN. He cautioned against rancor over the killing. It would be “easy for us to hate and be angry, but Kate wouldn’t want that,” he said. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/08/us/san-francisco-murder-case-exposes-lapses-in-immigration-enforcement.html?_r=0
Just going to be a lot of finger pointing and a settlement.
I am curious how the hell he got a federal agents gun. Seems pretty sketchy to me.
In a halting, often incoherent interview from the jailhouse on Monday with KGO-TV in San Francisco, Mr. Lopez-Sanchez said that he had found a gun wrapped in a T-shirt under a bench on the pier, and that when he picked it up, it had fired three shots.
Speaking in Spanish, he said he did not remember the events well because he had taken sleeping pills. But he said, “When I go to the court, I am going to plead guilty,” and added, “I want to have the punishment I deserve as quickly as possible.”
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If any city can afford it, its San Francisco. I like how the law prohibits the sheriff from even responding without a warrant. Can't even tell ICE that he needs them to push forward before he can do anything. Smart law making.
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On July 09 2015 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 03:32 dAPhREAk wrote:interesting story coming out of my backyard, San Francisco. cant wait to see the wrongful death lawsuit against San Francisco. San Francisco Murder Case Exposes Lapses in Immigration Enforcement The case of a Mexican laborer with a lengthy criminal record who was charged on Tuesday in the fatal shooting of an American woman on a pier in San Francisco has exposed a gulf of mistrust and failed communication between the federal authorities and the police in California over immigration enforcement.
The man, most recently known as Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez, 56, pleaded not guilty in Superior Court in San Francisco in the murder of Kathryn Steinle, 32, who was strolling last Wednesday with her father and a friend on Pier 14 near the Ferry Building when she was struck in what the police described as a random shooting. Mr. Lopez-Sanchez, whose criminal record includes seven felony convictions, had been deported from the United States five times, raising questions about why he was in the United States.
Questions were also raised late Tuesday about the gun used in the killing. A law enforcement official confirmed local media reports that the serial number showed the gun belonged to a federal agent. The official declined to be identified because he was not authorized to speak publicly.
The case immediately became fodder in the polarized debate over immigration. Donald J. Trump, the Republican presidential candidate, who has been under fire for comments about Mexican immigrants, pointed to the killing as “yet another example of why we must secure our border immediately.” On Tuesday, Hillary Rodham Clinton, a Democratic presidential contender, said San Francisco had “made a mistake.” And Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, also a Democrat, called on the city to restore its cooperation with the Obama administration in enforcing immigration laws.
The lapse in the case of Mr. Lopez-Sanchez — also known as José Inez García Zarate and several other names — did not occur at the border, legal records show. After being deported in June 2009, he tried to return three months later but was stopped by agents at the crossing in Eagle Pass, Tex. He was then prosecuted for a felony of illegal entry and served almost four years in a federal prison in California.
When he finished his sentence, the prison sent him to San Francisco on March 27, based on a warrant for a 20-year-old felony marijuana charge. Within a day, a local court dismissed the charges. Sheriff Ross Mirkarimi of San Francisco said Mr. Lopez-Sanchez stayed in jail for three weeks so the authorities could verify that he was eligible for release. He was freed April 15.
At that point, communications between San Francisco and federal authorities broke down.
Federal officials say that as soon as they learned of Mr. Lopez-Sanchez’s transfer from federal prison to San Francisco, they issued a request to Sheriff Mirkarimi to notify them when he would be released. An order for his deportation was ready.
“We are just asking for a heads-up, a phone call,” said Gillian Christensen, a spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE. “We did not hear anything until the day this young woman was killed.”
A San Francisco ordinance, passed in 2013, broadly restricts the police from cooperating with immigration agents. City officials say the so-called sanctuary law has helped law enforcement by enhancing trust between the police and residents who are immigrants without documents.
Sheriff Mirkarimi said the city’s ordinance allowed him to respond to the federal authorities only when he had a court order or warrant.
“They had his rap sheet and they were well aware of our policies,” the sheriff said in a telephone interview Tuesday. “The natural question is, why wouldn’t they follow through with a warrant for this suspect?”
He said Ms. Steinle’s killing was “a horrible and senseless act that requires ICE to really work with local governments in a way that comports with local law.”
The Obama administration has long struggled to shape an enforcement strategy to deport convicted criminals like Mr. Lopez-Sanchez but avoid the deportation of undocumented immigrants arrested by the police for low-level offenses. In November, President Obama said he would abandon a nationwide program known as Secure Communities, which connected federal agents with local police. Officials announced a new, less aggressive program, but they have been slow to explain it to the police.
All but a few California counties have adopted laws restricting cooperation with federal agents, and the state enacted a law in 2014 — although it would not have applied to Mr. Lopez-Sanchez because of his criminal record.
In a halting, often incoherent interview from the jailhouse on Monday with KGO-TV in San Francisco, Mr. Lopez-Sanchez said that he had found a gun wrapped in a T-shirt under a bench on the pier, and that when he picked it up, it had fired three shots.
Speaking in Spanish, he said he did not remember the events well because he had taken sleeping pills. But he said, “When I go to the court, I am going to plead guilty,” and added, “I want to have the punishment I deserve as quickly as possible.”
Ms. Steinle was “the most amazing, loving, outgoing person,” her brother Brad Steinle told Anderson Cooper on CNN. He cautioned against rancor over the killing. It would be “easy for us to hate and be angry, but Kate wouldn’t want that,” he said. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/08/us/san-francisco-murder-case-exposes-lapses-in-immigration-enforcement.html?_r=0 Just going to be a lot of finger pointing and a settlement. I am curious how the hell he got a federal agents gun. Seems pretty sketchy to me. Show nested quote +In a halting, often incoherent interview from the jailhouse on Monday with KGO-TV in San Francisco, Mr. Lopez-Sanchez said that he had found a gun wrapped in a T-shirt under a bench on the pier, and that when he picked it up, it had fired three shots.
Speaking in Spanish, he said he did not remember the events well because he had taken sleeping pills. But he said, “When I go to the court, I am going to plead guilty,” and added, “I want to have the punishment I deserve as quickly as possible.”
Presumably the same way you get any other gun illegally? It got stolen, fenced, shipped around a bit, until eventually nobody even knew it was a federal gun, sold in some dodgy back alley trade and presto, Sanchez has a federal gun. I honestly don't see why this is the point you focus on.
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On July 09 2015 03:46 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 09 2015 03:32 dAPhREAk wrote:interesting story coming out of my backyard, San Francisco. cant wait to see the wrongful death lawsuit against San Francisco. San Francisco Murder Case Exposes Lapses in Immigration Enforcement The case of a Mexican laborer with a lengthy criminal record who was charged on Tuesday in the fatal shooting of an American woman on a pier in San Francisco has exposed a gulf of mistrust and failed communication between the federal authorities and the police in California over immigration enforcement.
The man, most recently known as Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez, 56, pleaded not guilty in Superior Court in San Francisco in the murder of Kathryn Steinle, 32, who was strolling last Wednesday with her father and a friend on Pier 14 near the Ferry Building when she was struck in what the police described as a random shooting. Mr. Lopez-Sanchez, whose criminal record includes seven felony convictions, had been deported from the United States five times, raising questions about why he was in the United States.
Questions were also raised late Tuesday about the gun used in the killing. A law enforcement official confirmed local media reports that the serial number showed the gun belonged to a federal agent. The official declined to be identified because he was not authorized to speak publicly.
The case immediately became fodder in the polarized debate over immigration. Donald J. Trump, the Republican presidential candidate, who has been under fire for comments about Mexican immigrants, pointed to the killing as “yet another example of why we must secure our border immediately.” On Tuesday, Hillary Rodham Clinton, a Democratic presidential contender, said San Francisco had “made a mistake.” And Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, also a Democrat, called on the city to restore its cooperation with the Obama administration in enforcing immigration laws.
The lapse in the case of Mr. Lopez-Sanchez — also known as José Inez García Zarate and several other names — did not occur at the border, legal records show. After being deported in June 2009, he tried to return three months later but was stopped by agents at the crossing in Eagle Pass, Tex. He was then prosecuted for a felony of illegal entry and served almost four years in a federal prison in California.
When he finished his sentence, the prison sent him to San Francisco on March 27, based on a warrant for a 20-year-old felony marijuana charge. Within a day, a local court dismissed the charges. Sheriff Ross Mirkarimi of San Francisco said Mr. Lopez-Sanchez stayed in jail for three weeks so the authorities could verify that he was eligible for release. He was freed April 15.
At that point, communications between San Francisco and federal authorities broke down.
Federal officials say that as soon as they learned of Mr. Lopez-Sanchez’s transfer from federal prison to San Francisco, they issued a request to Sheriff Mirkarimi to notify them when he would be released. An order for his deportation was ready.
“We are just asking for a heads-up, a phone call,” said Gillian Christensen, a spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE. “We did not hear anything until the day this young woman was killed.”
A San Francisco ordinance, passed in 2013, broadly restricts the police from cooperating with immigration agents. City officials say the so-called sanctuary law has helped law enforcement by enhancing trust between the police and residents who are immigrants without documents.
Sheriff Mirkarimi said the city’s ordinance allowed him to respond to the federal authorities only when he had a court order or warrant.
“They had his rap sheet and they were well aware of our policies,” the sheriff said in a telephone interview Tuesday. “The natural question is, why wouldn’t they follow through with a warrant for this suspect?”
He said Ms. Steinle’s killing was “a horrible and senseless act that requires ICE to really work with local governments in a way that comports with local law.”
The Obama administration has long struggled to shape an enforcement strategy to deport convicted criminals like Mr. Lopez-Sanchez but avoid the deportation of undocumented immigrants arrested by the police for low-level offenses. In November, President Obama said he would abandon a nationwide program known as Secure Communities, which connected federal agents with local police. Officials announced a new, less aggressive program, but they have been slow to explain it to the police.
All but a few California counties have adopted laws restricting cooperation with federal agents, and the state enacted a law in 2014 — although it would not have applied to Mr. Lopez-Sanchez because of his criminal record.
In a halting, often incoherent interview from the jailhouse on Monday with KGO-TV in San Francisco, Mr. Lopez-Sanchez said that he had found a gun wrapped in a T-shirt under a bench on the pier, and that when he picked it up, it had fired three shots.
Speaking in Spanish, he said he did not remember the events well because he had taken sleeping pills. But he said, “When I go to the court, I am going to plead guilty,” and added, “I want to have the punishment I deserve as quickly as possible.”
Ms. Steinle was “the most amazing, loving, outgoing person,” her brother Brad Steinle told Anderson Cooper on CNN. He cautioned against rancor over the killing. It would be “easy for us to hate and be angry, but Kate wouldn’t want that,” he said. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/08/us/san-francisco-murder-case-exposes-lapses-in-immigration-enforcement.html?_r=0 Just going to be a lot of finger pointing and a settlement. I am curious how the hell he got a federal agents gun. Seems pretty sketchy to me. In a halting, often incoherent interview from the jailhouse on Monday with KGO-TV in San Francisco, Mr. Lopez-Sanchez said that he had found a gun wrapped in a T-shirt under a bench on the pier, and that when he picked it up, it had fired three shots.
Speaking in Spanish, he said he did not remember the events well because he had taken sleeping pills. But he said, “When I go to the court, I am going to plead guilty,” and added, “I want to have the punishment I deserve as quickly as possible.” Presumably the same way you get any other gun illegally? It got stolen, fenced, shipped around a bit, until eventually nobody even knew it was a federal gun, sold in some dodgy back alley trade and presto, Sanchez has a federal gun. I honestly don't see why this is the point you focus on.
That's not how you get any other gun illegally, gun show parking lots are a lot easier.
He shouldn't have even been sent to San Francisco, not to mention it's pretty dumb to punish someone illegally crossing the border by paying $20k a year to house him in prison.
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On July 09 2015 03:55 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 03:46 Acrofales wrote:On July 09 2015 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 09 2015 03:32 dAPhREAk wrote:interesting story coming out of my backyard, San Francisco. cant wait to see the wrongful death lawsuit against San Francisco. San Francisco Murder Case Exposes Lapses in Immigration Enforcement The case of a Mexican laborer with a lengthy criminal record who was charged on Tuesday in the fatal shooting of an American woman on a pier in San Francisco has exposed a gulf of mistrust and failed communication between the federal authorities and the police in California over immigration enforcement.
The man, most recently known as Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez, 56, pleaded not guilty in Superior Court in San Francisco in the murder of Kathryn Steinle, 32, who was strolling last Wednesday with her father and a friend on Pier 14 near the Ferry Building when she was struck in what the police described as a random shooting. Mr. Lopez-Sanchez, whose criminal record includes seven felony convictions, had been deported from the United States five times, raising questions about why he was in the United States.
Questions were also raised late Tuesday about the gun used in the killing. A law enforcement official confirmed local media reports that the serial number showed the gun belonged to a federal agent. The official declined to be identified because he was not authorized to speak publicly.
The case immediately became fodder in the polarized debate over immigration. Donald J. Trump, the Republican presidential candidate, who has been under fire for comments about Mexican immigrants, pointed to the killing as “yet another example of why we must secure our border immediately.” On Tuesday, Hillary Rodham Clinton, a Democratic presidential contender, said San Francisco had “made a mistake.” And Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, also a Democrat, called on the city to restore its cooperation with the Obama administration in enforcing immigration laws.
The lapse in the case of Mr. Lopez-Sanchez — also known as José Inez García Zarate and several other names — did not occur at the border, legal records show. After being deported in June 2009, he tried to return three months later but was stopped by agents at the crossing in Eagle Pass, Tex. He was then prosecuted for a felony of illegal entry and served almost four years in a federal prison in California.
When he finished his sentence, the prison sent him to San Francisco on March 27, based on a warrant for a 20-year-old felony marijuana charge. Within a day, a local court dismissed the charges. Sheriff Ross Mirkarimi of San Francisco said Mr. Lopez-Sanchez stayed in jail for three weeks so the authorities could verify that he was eligible for release. He was freed April 15.
At that point, communications between San Francisco and federal authorities broke down.
Federal officials say that as soon as they learned of Mr. Lopez-Sanchez’s transfer from federal prison to San Francisco, they issued a request to Sheriff Mirkarimi to notify them when he would be released. An order for his deportation was ready.
“We are just asking for a heads-up, a phone call,” said Gillian Christensen, a spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE. “We did not hear anything until the day this young woman was killed.”
A San Francisco ordinance, passed in 2013, broadly restricts the police from cooperating with immigration agents. City officials say the so-called sanctuary law has helped law enforcement by enhancing trust between the police and residents who are immigrants without documents.
Sheriff Mirkarimi said the city’s ordinance allowed him to respond to the federal authorities only when he had a court order or warrant.
“They had his rap sheet and they were well aware of our policies,” the sheriff said in a telephone interview Tuesday. “The natural question is, why wouldn’t they follow through with a warrant for this suspect?”
He said Ms. Steinle’s killing was “a horrible and senseless act that requires ICE to really work with local governments in a way that comports with local law.”
The Obama administration has long struggled to shape an enforcement strategy to deport convicted criminals like Mr. Lopez-Sanchez but avoid the deportation of undocumented immigrants arrested by the police for low-level offenses. In November, President Obama said he would abandon a nationwide program known as Secure Communities, which connected federal agents with local police. Officials announced a new, less aggressive program, but they have been slow to explain it to the police.
All but a few California counties have adopted laws restricting cooperation with federal agents, and the state enacted a law in 2014 — although it would not have applied to Mr. Lopez-Sanchez because of his criminal record.
In a halting, often incoherent interview from the jailhouse on Monday with KGO-TV in San Francisco, Mr. Lopez-Sanchez said that he had found a gun wrapped in a T-shirt under a bench on the pier, and that when he picked it up, it had fired three shots.
Speaking in Spanish, he said he did not remember the events well because he had taken sleeping pills. But he said, “When I go to the court, I am going to plead guilty,” and added, “I want to have the punishment I deserve as quickly as possible.”
Ms. Steinle was “the most amazing, loving, outgoing person,” her brother Brad Steinle told Anderson Cooper on CNN. He cautioned against rancor over the killing. It would be “easy for us to hate and be angry, but Kate wouldn’t want that,” he said. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/08/us/san-francisco-murder-case-exposes-lapses-in-immigration-enforcement.html?_r=0 Just going to be a lot of finger pointing and a settlement. I am curious how the hell he got a federal agents gun. Seems pretty sketchy to me. In a halting, often incoherent interview from the jailhouse on Monday with KGO-TV in San Francisco, Mr. Lopez-Sanchez said that he had found a gun wrapped in a T-shirt under a bench on the pier, and that when he picked it up, it had fired three shots.
Speaking in Spanish, he said he did not remember the events well because he had taken sleeping pills. But he said, “When I go to the court, I am going to plead guilty,” and added, “I want to have the punishment I deserve as quickly as possible.” Presumably the same way you get any other gun illegally? It got stolen, fenced, shipped around a bit, until eventually nobody even knew it was a federal gun, sold in some dodgy back alley trade and presto, Sanchez has a federal gun. I honestly don't see why this is the point you focus on. That's not how you get any other gun illegally, gun show parking lots are a lot easier. He shouldn't have even been sent to San Francisco, not to mention it's pretty dumb to punish someone illegally crossing the border by paying $20k a year to house him in prison.
well, that didnt take you very long to ignore the issue and go off on a tangent.
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On July 09 2015 03:59 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 03:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 09 2015 03:46 Acrofales wrote:On July 09 2015 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 09 2015 03:32 dAPhREAk wrote:interesting story coming out of my backyard, San Francisco. cant wait to see the wrongful death lawsuit against San Francisco. San Francisco Murder Case Exposes Lapses in Immigration Enforcement The case of a Mexican laborer with a lengthy criminal record who was charged on Tuesday in the fatal shooting of an American woman on a pier in San Francisco has exposed a gulf of mistrust and failed communication between the federal authorities and the police in California over immigration enforcement.
The man, most recently known as Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez, 56, pleaded not guilty in Superior Court in San Francisco in the murder of Kathryn Steinle, 32, who was strolling last Wednesday with her father and a friend on Pier 14 near the Ferry Building when she was struck in what the police described as a random shooting. Mr. Lopez-Sanchez, whose criminal record includes seven felony convictions, had been deported from the United States five times, raising questions about why he was in the United States.
Questions were also raised late Tuesday about the gun used in the killing. A law enforcement official confirmed local media reports that the serial number showed the gun belonged to a federal agent. The official declined to be identified because he was not authorized to speak publicly.
The case immediately became fodder in the polarized debate over immigration. Donald J. Trump, the Republican presidential candidate, who has been under fire for comments about Mexican immigrants, pointed to the killing as “yet another example of why we must secure our border immediately.” On Tuesday, Hillary Rodham Clinton, a Democratic presidential contender, said San Francisco had “made a mistake.” And Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, also a Democrat, called on the city to restore its cooperation with the Obama administration in enforcing immigration laws.
The lapse in the case of Mr. Lopez-Sanchez — also known as José Inez García Zarate and several other names — did not occur at the border, legal records show. After being deported in June 2009, he tried to return three months later but was stopped by agents at the crossing in Eagle Pass, Tex. He was then prosecuted for a felony of illegal entry and served almost four years in a federal prison in California.
When he finished his sentence, the prison sent him to San Francisco on March 27, based on a warrant for a 20-year-old felony marijuana charge. Within a day, a local court dismissed the charges. Sheriff Ross Mirkarimi of San Francisco said Mr. Lopez-Sanchez stayed in jail for three weeks so the authorities could verify that he was eligible for release. He was freed April 15.
At that point, communications between San Francisco and federal authorities broke down.
Federal officials say that as soon as they learned of Mr. Lopez-Sanchez’s transfer from federal prison to San Francisco, they issued a request to Sheriff Mirkarimi to notify them when he would be released. An order for his deportation was ready.
“We are just asking for a heads-up, a phone call,” said Gillian Christensen, a spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE. “We did not hear anything until the day this young woman was killed.”
A San Francisco ordinance, passed in 2013, broadly restricts the police from cooperating with immigration agents. City officials say the so-called sanctuary law has helped law enforcement by enhancing trust between the police and residents who are immigrants without documents.
Sheriff Mirkarimi said the city’s ordinance allowed him to respond to the federal authorities only when he had a court order or warrant.
“They had his rap sheet and they were well aware of our policies,” the sheriff said in a telephone interview Tuesday. “The natural question is, why wouldn’t they follow through with a warrant for this suspect?”
He said Ms. Steinle’s killing was “a horrible and senseless act that requires ICE to really work with local governments in a way that comports with local law.”
The Obama administration has long struggled to shape an enforcement strategy to deport convicted criminals like Mr. Lopez-Sanchez but avoid the deportation of undocumented immigrants arrested by the police for low-level offenses. In November, President Obama said he would abandon a nationwide program known as Secure Communities, which connected federal agents with local police. Officials announced a new, less aggressive program, but they have been slow to explain it to the police.
All but a few California counties have adopted laws restricting cooperation with federal agents, and the state enacted a law in 2014 — although it would not have applied to Mr. Lopez-Sanchez because of his criminal record.
In a halting, often incoherent interview from the jailhouse on Monday with KGO-TV in San Francisco, Mr. Lopez-Sanchez said that he had found a gun wrapped in a T-shirt under a bench on the pier, and that when he picked it up, it had fired three shots.
Speaking in Spanish, he said he did not remember the events well because he had taken sleeping pills. But he said, “When I go to the court, I am going to plead guilty,” and added, “I want to have the punishment I deserve as quickly as possible.”
Ms. Steinle was “the most amazing, loving, outgoing person,” her brother Brad Steinle told Anderson Cooper on CNN. He cautioned against rancor over the killing. It would be “easy for us to hate and be angry, but Kate wouldn’t want that,” he said. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/08/us/san-francisco-murder-case-exposes-lapses-in-immigration-enforcement.html?_r=0 Just going to be a lot of finger pointing and a settlement. I am curious how the hell he got a federal agents gun. Seems pretty sketchy to me. In a halting, often incoherent interview from the jailhouse on Monday with KGO-TV in San Francisco, Mr. Lopez-Sanchez said that he had found a gun wrapped in a T-shirt under a bench on the pier, and that when he picked it up, it had fired three shots.
Speaking in Spanish, he said he did not remember the events well because he had taken sleeping pills. But he said, “When I go to the court, I am going to plead guilty,” and added, “I want to have the punishment I deserve as quickly as possible.” Presumably the same way you get any other gun illegally? It got stolen, fenced, shipped around a bit, until eventually nobody even knew it was a federal gun, sold in some dodgy back alley trade and presto, Sanchez has a federal gun. I honestly don't see why this is the point you focus on. That's not how you get any other gun illegally, gun show parking lots are a lot easier. He shouldn't have even been sent to San Francisco, not to mention it's pretty dumb to punish someone illegally crossing the border by paying $20k a year to house him in prison. well, that didnt take you very long to ignore the issue and go off on a tangent.
What is the issue I am ignoring?
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On July 09 2015 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 03:59 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2015 03:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 09 2015 03:46 Acrofales wrote:On July 09 2015 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 09 2015 03:32 dAPhREAk wrote:interesting story coming out of my backyard, San Francisco. cant wait to see the wrongful death lawsuit against San Francisco. San Francisco Murder Case Exposes Lapses in Immigration Enforcement The case of a Mexican laborer with a lengthy criminal record who was charged on Tuesday in the fatal shooting of an American woman on a pier in San Francisco has exposed a gulf of mistrust and failed communication between the federal authorities and the police in California over immigration enforcement.
The man, most recently known as Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez, 56, pleaded not guilty in Superior Court in San Francisco in the murder of Kathryn Steinle, 32, who was strolling last Wednesday with her father and a friend on Pier 14 near the Ferry Building when she was struck in what the police described as a random shooting. Mr. Lopez-Sanchez, whose criminal record includes seven felony convictions, had been deported from the United States five times, raising questions about why he was in the United States.
Questions were also raised late Tuesday about the gun used in the killing. A law enforcement official confirmed local media reports that the serial number showed the gun belonged to a federal agent. The official declined to be identified because he was not authorized to speak publicly.
The case immediately became fodder in the polarized debate over immigration. Donald J. Trump, the Republican presidential candidate, who has been under fire for comments about Mexican immigrants, pointed to the killing as “yet another example of why we must secure our border immediately.” On Tuesday, Hillary Rodham Clinton, a Democratic presidential contender, said San Francisco had “made a mistake.” And Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, also a Democrat, called on the city to restore its cooperation with the Obama administration in enforcing immigration laws.
The lapse in the case of Mr. Lopez-Sanchez — also known as José Inez García Zarate and several other names — did not occur at the border, legal records show. After being deported in June 2009, he tried to return three months later but was stopped by agents at the crossing in Eagle Pass, Tex. He was then prosecuted for a felony of illegal entry and served almost four years in a federal prison in California.
When he finished his sentence, the prison sent him to San Francisco on March 27, based on a warrant for a 20-year-old felony marijuana charge. Within a day, a local court dismissed the charges. Sheriff Ross Mirkarimi of San Francisco said Mr. Lopez-Sanchez stayed in jail for three weeks so the authorities could verify that he was eligible for release. He was freed April 15.
At that point, communications between San Francisco and federal authorities broke down.
Federal officials say that as soon as they learned of Mr. Lopez-Sanchez’s transfer from federal prison to San Francisco, they issued a request to Sheriff Mirkarimi to notify them when he would be released. An order for his deportation was ready.
“We are just asking for a heads-up, a phone call,” said Gillian Christensen, a spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE. “We did not hear anything until the day this young woman was killed.”
A San Francisco ordinance, passed in 2013, broadly restricts the police from cooperating with immigration agents. City officials say the so-called sanctuary law has helped law enforcement by enhancing trust between the police and residents who are immigrants without documents.
Sheriff Mirkarimi said the city’s ordinance allowed him to respond to the federal authorities only when he had a court order or warrant.
“They had his rap sheet and they were well aware of our policies,” the sheriff said in a telephone interview Tuesday. “The natural question is, why wouldn’t they follow through with a warrant for this suspect?”
He said Ms. Steinle’s killing was “a horrible and senseless act that requires ICE to really work with local governments in a way that comports with local law.”
The Obama administration has long struggled to shape an enforcement strategy to deport convicted criminals like Mr. Lopez-Sanchez but avoid the deportation of undocumented immigrants arrested by the police for low-level offenses. In November, President Obama said he would abandon a nationwide program known as Secure Communities, which connected federal agents with local police. Officials announced a new, less aggressive program, but they have been slow to explain it to the police.
All but a few California counties have adopted laws restricting cooperation with federal agents, and the state enacted a law in 2014 — although it would not have applied to Mr. Lopez-Sanchez because of his criminal record.
In a halting, often incoherent interview from the jailhouse on Monday with KGO-TV in San Francisco, Mr. Lopez-Sanchez said that he had found a gun wrapped in a T-shirt under a bench on the pier, and that when he picked it up, it had fired three shots.
Speaking in Spanish, he said he did not remember the events well because he had taken sleeping pills. But he said, “When I go to the court, I am going to plead guilty,” and added, “I want to have the punishment I deserve as quickly as possible.”
Ms. Steinle was “the most amazing, loving, outgoing person,” her brother Brad Steinle told Anderson Cooper on CNN. He cautioned against rancor over the killing. It would be “easy for us to hate and be angry, but Kate wouldn’t want that,” he said. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/08/us/san-francisco-murder-case-exposes-lapses-in-immigration-enforcement.html?_r=0 Just going to be a lot of finger pointing and a settlement. I am curious how the hell he got a federal agents gun. Seems pretty sketchy to me. In a halting, often incoherent interview from the jailhouse on Monday with KGO-TV in San Francisco, Mr. Lopez-Sanchez said that he had found a gun wrapped in a T-shirt under a bench on the pier, and that when he picked it up, it had fired three shots.
Speaking in Spanish, he said he did not remember the events well because he had taken sleeping pills. But he said, “When I go to the court, I am going to plead guilty,” and added, “I want to have the punishment I deserve as quickly as possible.” Presumably the same way you get any other gun illegally? It got stolen, fenced, shipped around a bit, until eventually nobody even knew it was a federal gun, sold in some dodgy back alley trade and presto, Sanchez has a federal gun. I honestly don't see why this is the point you focus on. That's not how you get any other gun illegally, gun show parking lots are a lot easier. He shouldn't have even been sent to San Francisco, not to mention it's pretty dumb to punish someone illegally crossing the border by paying $20k a year to house him in prison. well, that didnt take you very long to ignore the issue and go off on a tangent. What is the issue I am ignoring?
Answering what is sketchy about the gun being from a federal agent. And the simple answer to that is that it was stolen and only turned up now.
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On July 09 2015 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 03:59 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 09 2015 03:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 09 2015 03:46 Acrofales wrote:On July 09 2015 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 09 2015 03:32 dAPhREAk wrote:interesting story coming out of my backyard, San Francisco. cant wait to see the wrongful death lawsuit against San Francisco. San Francisco Murder Case Exposes Lapses in Immigration Enforcement The case of a Mexican laborer with a lengthy criminal record who was charged on Tuesday in the fatal shooting of an American woman on a pier in San Francisco has exposed a gulf of mistrust and failed communication between the federal authorities and the police in California over immigration enforcement.
The man, most recently known as Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez, 56, pleaded not guilty in Superior Court in San Francisco in the murder of Kathryn Steinle, 32, who was strolling last Wednesday with her father and a friend on Pier 14 near the Ferry Building when she was struck in what the police described as a random shooting. Mr. Lopez-Sanchez, whose criminal record includes seven felony convictions, had been deported from the United States five times, raising questions about why he was in the United States.
Questions were also raised late Tuesday about the gun used in the killing. A law enforcement official confirmed local media reports that the serial number showed the gun belonged to a federal agent. The official declined to be identified because he was not authorized to speak publicly.
The case immediately became fodder in the polarized debate over immigration. Donald J. Trump, the Republican presidential candidate, who has been under fire for comments about Mexican immigrants, pointed to the killing as “yet another example of why we must secure our border immediately.” On Tuesday, Hillary Rodham Clinton, a Democratic presidential contender, said San Francisco had “made a mistake.” And Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, also a Democrat, called on the city to restore its cooperation with the Obama administration in enforcing immigration laws.
The lapse in the case of Mr. Lopez-Sanchez — also known as José Inez García Zarate and several other names — did not occur at the border, legal records show. After being deported in June 2009, he tried to return three months later but was stopped by agents at the crossing in Eagle Pass, Tex. He was then prosecuted for a felony of illegal entry and served almost four years in a federal prison in California.
When he finished his sentence, the prison sent him to San Francisco on March 27, based on a warrant for a 20-year-old felony marijuana charge. Within a day, a local court dismissed the charges. Sheriff Ross Mirkarimi of San Francisco said Mr. Lopez-Sanchez stayed in jail for three weeks so the authorities could verify that he was eligible for release. He was freed April 15.
At that point, communications between San Francisco and federal authorities broke down.
Federal officials say that as soon as they learned of Mr. Lopez-Sanchez’s transfer from federal prison to San Francisco, they issued a request to Sheriff Mirkarimi to notify them when he would be released. An order for his deportation was ready.
“We are just asking for a heads-up, a phone call,” said Gillian Christensen, a spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, also known as ICE. “We did not hear anything until the day this young woman was killed.”
A San Francisco ordinance, passed in 2013, broadly restricts the police from cooperating with immigration agents. City officials say the so-called sanctuary law has helped law enforcement by enhancing trust between the police and residents who are immigrants without documents.
Sheriff Mirkarimi said the city’s ordinance allowed him to respond to the federal authorities only when he had a court order or warrant.
“They had his rap sheet and they were well aware of our policies,” the sheriff said in a telephone interview Tuesday. “The natural question is, why wouldn’t they follow through with a warrant for this suspect?”
He said Ms. Steinle’s killing was “a horrible and senseless act that requires ICE to really work with local governments in a way that comports with local law.”
The Obama administration has long struggled to shape an enforcement strategy to deport convicted criminals like Mr. Lopez-Sanchez but avoid the deportation of undocumented immigrants arrested by the police for low-level offenses. In November, President Obama said he would abandon a nationwide program known as Secure Communities, which connected federal agents with local police. Officials announced a new, less aggressive program, but they have been slow to explain it to the police.
All but a few California counties have adopted laws restricting cooperation with federal agents, and the state enacted a law in 2014 — although it would not have applied to Mr. Lopez-Sanchez because of his criminal record.
In a halting, often incoherent interview from the jailhouse on Monday with KGO-TV in San Francisco, Mr. Lopez-Sanchez said that he had found a gun wrapped in a T-shirt under a bench on the pier, and that when he picked it up, it had fired three shots.
Speaking in Spanish, he said he did not remember the events well because he had taken sleeping pills. But he said, “When I go to the court, I am going to plead guilty,” and added, “I want to have the punishment I deserve as quickly as possible.”
Ms. Steinle was “the most amazing, loving, outgoing person,” her brother Brad Steinle told Anderson Cooper on CNN. He cautioned against rancor over the killing. It would be “easy for us to hate and be angry, but Kate wouldn’t want that,” he said. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/08/us/san-francisco-murder-case-exposes-lapses-in-immigration-enforcement.html?_r=0 Just going to be a lot of finger pointing and a settlement. I am curious how the hell he got a federal agents gun. Seems pretty sketchy to me. In a halting, often incoherent interview from the jailhouse on Monday with KGO-TV in San Francisco, Mr. Lopez-Sanchez said that he had found a gun wrapped in a T-shirt under a bench on the pier, and that when he picked it up, it had fired three shots.
Speaking in Spanish, he said he did not remember the events well because he had taken sleeping pills. But he said, “When I go to the court, I am going to plead guilty,” and added, “I want to have the punishment I deserve as quickly as possible.” Presumably the same way you get any other gun illegally? It got stolen, fenced, shipped around a bit, until eventually nobody even knew it was a federal gun, sold in some dodgy back alley trade and presto, Sanchez has a federal gun. I honestly don't see why this is the point you focus on. That's not how you get any other gun illegally, gun show parking lots are a lot easier. He shouldn't have even been sent to San Francisco, not to mention it's pretty dumb to punish someone illegally crossing the border by paying $20k a year to house him in prison. well, that didnt take you very long to ignore the issue and go off on a tangent. What is the issue I am ignoring?
how about the sanctuary laws, the murder and SF's culpability and California/California cities' refusal to cooperate with federal immigration (i.e., the article I posted). first, you start on the gun, and then you start on sending immigrants to prison. the fuck do those have to do with the article's point?
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