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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

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ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
June 26 2015 14:19 GMT
#41221
On June 26 2015 11:23 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2015 11:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), once considered a long shot for president, has been gaining in recent polls in New Hampshire, a key primary state, and may present a serious challenge to Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton.

A CNN/WMUR poll released Thursday shows that Sanders is just 8 percentage points behind Clinton. Among Democratic primary voters surveyed, 45 percent said that Sanders "cares the most about people like you," while 24 percent said the same about Clinton. When asked which Democratic candidate "best represents the values of Democrats like yourself," 41 percent said Sanders, and 30 percent said Clinton.

The results are consistent with other recent polling in New Hampshire. Two polls last week had Sanders within 10 points of Clinton's lead, suggesting that Clinton, the presumptive favorite, may be vulnerable in the Granite State.

It helps that Sanders is from Vermont, New Hampshire's neighbor. He also has benefited from a post-announcement bump. Sanders officially kicked off his campaign with a boisterous rally in Vermont at the end of May. He has drawn large crowds over the last few weeks at campaign events in key primary states, including New Hampshire, as well as Iowa and Nevada.

With progressive icon Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) not running for president, Sanders has consolidated support among the progressive wing of the Democratic Party.


Source


Bernie's Colorado crowd was HUGE, even if the media largely ignored it. People would be surprised to find out who they agree with if they have the courage to find out

Which Presidential candidate do you side with?

It's not perfect but it's not too bad either. Probably more accurate than if you let the people who can't ID the VP make their own determination lol. (sorry Jill didn't make the cut)


Cool site. I got Sanders closely followed by Hillary. Also not surprising at all that Paul was my closest Republican candidate and Fiorina/Carson et al were allll the way at the bottom. My answers on immigration probably dragged me down though.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21946 Posts
June 26 2015 14:23 GMT
#41222
On June 26 2015 23:16 Jormundr wrote:
Show nested quote +
In a landmark opinion, the Supreme Court ruled Friday that states cannot ban same-sex marriage, handing gay rights advocates their biggest victory yet.

The 5-4 ruling had Justice Anthony Kennedy writing for the majority, with the four liberal justices. Each of the four conservative justices wrote their own dissent.

Source

Most shocking thing about it is that its actually a 5-4 ruling.

America still has a long way to go ><
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45006 Posts
June 26 2015 14:28 GMT
#41223
On June 26 2015 23:23 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2015 23:16 Jormundr wrote:
In a landmark opinion, the Supreme Court ruled Friday that states cannot ban same-sex marriage, handing gay rights advocates their biggest victory yet.

The 5-4 ruling had Justice Anthony Kennedy writing for the majority, with the four liberal justices. Each of the four conservative justices wrote their own dissent.

Source

Most shocking thing about it is that its actually a 5-4 ruling.

America still has a long way to go ><


Yeah, but this is certainly a step in the right direction Today, love conquers all.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2015 14:28 GMT
#41224
I am extremely happy for my american brethren.

And stuff that the US does reverberates around the world. So it's a big deal. 5-4 or not.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 26 2015 14:34 GMT
#41225
Right in time for PRIDE in Minneapolis. I have a wedding to go to this weekend, or I would be genuinely curious to see how crazy the parties get.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2015 14:35 GMT
#41226
Does anyone know where I can go to read what the judges (both for the majority and the dissenters) wrote about it?

I assume it's published somewhere
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
zf
Profile Joined April 2011
231 Posts
June 26 2015 14:37 GMT
#41227
On June 26 2015 23:35 marvellosity wrote:
Does anyone know where I can go to read what the judges (both for the majority and the dissenters) wrote about it?

I assume it's published somewhere


See here.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-26 14:55:04
June 26 2015 14:38 GMT
#41228
No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice,
and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were. As some of
the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage embodies a love that may endure even past death. It
would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do
respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned
to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilization’s oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the
eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right. The judgment of the Court of Appeals for the Sixth
Circuit is reversed.
It is so ordered.


Anthony Kennedy is a gangsta, stone cold killer.

Swings his vote for Obamacare and vote #5 for same sex marriage.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 26 2015 14:42 GMT
#41229
I wish they could have built up something sturdier than a 5-4 ruling.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-26 15:11:13
June 26 2015 14:52 GMT
#41230
http://www.theonion.com/article/supreme-court-on-gay-marriage-sure-who-cares-31812

Not exactly how it happened, but good enough
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45006 Posts
June 26 2015 14:57 GMT
#41231
On June 26 2015 23:52 ticklishmusic wrote:
http://www.theonion.com/article/supreme-court-on-gay-marriage-sure-who-cares-31812

Not exactly how it happened, but good enugh


I love this.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-26 15:16:09
June 26 2015 15:07 GMT
#41232
On June 26 2015 23:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2015 23:52 ticklishmusic wrote:
http://www.theonion.com/article/supreme-court-on-gay-marriage-sure-who-cares-31812

Not exactly how it happened, but good enugh


I love this.

shame that it puts too much faith in the conservative justices.

I can tell reading the dissenting opinions they're going to annoy me
The majority’s decision is an act of will, not legal judgment. The right it announces has no basis in the Constitution or this Court’s precedent.

When the majority opinion piece went to great and extensive lengths showing just how it has basis in the Constitution and court precedents.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-26 15:21:49
June 26 2015 15:21 GMT
#41233
On June 26 2015 23:23 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2015 23:16 Jormundr wrote:
In a landmark opinion, the Supreme Court ruled Friday that states cannot ban same-sex marriage, handing gay rights advocates their biggest victory yet.

The 5-4 ruling had Justice Anthony Kennedy writing for the majority, with the four liberal justices. Each of the four conservative justices wrote their own dissent.

Source

Most shocking thing about it is that its actually a 5-4 ruling.

America still has a long way to go ><


From what I understand the justices are permanent appointed by the presidents...some from ages ago and I believe -correct if I'm wrong here - most have a narrower interpretation of the US Constituition (whether liberal or not) that doesn't really change.

I think that's why most of these rulings are narrow margins and I don't think judiciary rulings are fully representative of what the people feel. I'm not articulating it great but what I'm trying to say is the judges opinions don't change like the people's do hence these narrow rulings.

I wouldn't use it to generalise Americans. And I have lived in the US before (though not now) for 4-5 years...I've heard changing opinions over that period of time.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 26 2015 15:22 GMT
#41234
On June 26 2015 23:28 marvellosity wrote:
I am extremely happy for my american brethren.

And stuff that the US does reverberates around the world. So it's a big deal. 5-4 or not.


100%
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
zf
Profile Joined April 2011
231 Posts
June 26 2015 15:23 GMT
#41235
On June 27 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:
When the majority opinion piece went to great and extensive lengths showing just how it has basis in the Constitution and court precedents.

The dissenters aren't wrong in their criticism of majority's Equal Protection analysis. And they're also probably not wrong in their conclusions that the majority's conclusions were motivated by their ethical and political beliefs. But I couldn't care less whether the decision reflected the correct legal result (whatever that means).
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2015 15:28 GMT
#41236
On June 27 2015 00:23 zf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2015 00:07 marvellosity wrote:
When the majority opinion piece went to great and extensive lengths showing just how it has basis in the Constitution and court precedents.

The dissenters aren't wrong in their criticism of majority's Equal Protection analysis. And they're also probably not wrong in their conclusions that the majority's conclusions were motivated by their ethical and political beliefs. But I couldn't care less whether the decision reflected the correct legal result (whatever that means).

I'll give my impressions later when I've read the dissents in full, but so far that's not my opinion
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 26 2015 15:28 GMT
#41237
Roberts' dissent here is not bad, it's founded in the same logic ("the SC is not a legislative body") he used in the ACA decision. So at least he's consistent and eloquent.

Interesting bit: Roberts and Thomas end their dissents with "we respectfully dissent". Scalito did not. Scalia wasn't quite as rabid here, but he did have a lot of doom and gloom.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2015 15:29 GMT
#41238
On June 27 2015 00:28 ticklishmusic wrote:
Roberts' dissent here is not bad, it's founded in the same logic ("the SC is not a legislative body") he used in the ACA decision. So at least he's consistent and eloquent.

Interesting bit: Roberts and Thomas end their dissents with "we respectfully dissent". Scalito did not. Scalia wasn't quite as rabid here, but he did have a lot of doom and gloom.

mostly because Scalia is in general a massive douche
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 26 2015 15:29 GMT
#41239
Scalia's dissent was like one level above yelling a hippies and clouds. There are some choice quotes floating around that just make him sound like a bitter, angry man.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
June 26 2015 15:34 GMT
#41240
So happy!
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
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