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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 26 2015 15:39 GMT
#41241
Scalia is way more conservative than the others so I'm not surprised. Same with Thomas.

I've not read the dissenters in full but looking at how it's been summarised....

http://www.nationaljournal.com/domesticpolicy/marriage-same-sex-gay-supreme-court-dissent-20150626

I don't like how Roberts says the court's stolen this issue from the people (assuming that's not misrepresented in this article)

I was pretty sure public opinion for this was a majority, not a vast majority but a majority and even then I don't know how it's relevant if the five who ruled in favour had to have done so on some legal basis anyways.

Meh I'm rambling. Guess I'll read in full since I'm curious...
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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
June 26 2015 15:49 GMT
#41242
I love how "government overreach" or "stolen the issue from the people" always comes up when someone knows exactly that they can't bring a single rational argument forward that would convince anybody.

Fundamental equality rights are not supposed to be up for voting, they're categorical rights. If marriage equality doesn't fall into that category I don't know what does.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18841 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-26 15:55:16
June 26 2015 15:53 GMT
#41243
I'm reading through the dissenting opinions and I just had to point out this line and dedicate it to Danglars. One love, homie.

"The opinion is couched in a style that is as pretentious as its content is egotistic." Obergefell v. Hodges, 576 U.S.___ (2015) (slip copy, *7) (J., Scalia, dissenting).
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2015 15:57 GMT
#41244
On June 27 2015 00:49 Nyxisto wrote:
I love how "government overreach" or "stolen the issue from the people" always comes up when someone knows exactly that they can't bring a single rational argument forward that would convince anybody.

Fundamental equality rights are not supposed to be up for voting, they're categorical rights. If marriage equality doesn't fall into that category I don't know what does.

well yes, that was the gist of the majority opinion, but the dissenters have to write something to justify themselves.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 26 2015 16:04 GMT
#41245
And if you notice in the dissent Scalia hints that he opposes interracial marriage as well.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 26 2015 16:06 GMT
#41246
On June 27 2015 01:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
And if you notice in the dissent Scalia hints that he opposes interracial marriage as well.

Which quote was that, I only saw,

"If, even as the price to be paid for a fifth vote, I ever joined an opinion for the Court that began: 'The Constitution promises liberty to all within its reach, a liberty that includes certain specific rights that allow persons, within a lawful realm, to define and express their identity,' I would hide my head in a bag. The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie."
- Scalia
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 26 2015 16:06 GMT
#41247
On June 27 2015 01:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
And if you notice in the dissent Scalia hints that he opposes interracial marriage as well.

Lets not act shocked since his options on other civil rights issues have been equally enlightened.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 26 2015 16:07 GMT
#41248
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 26 2015 16:09 GMT
#41249
On June 27 2015 01:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/614453775672152064

I've thought Scalia was a walking shit stain for a while now, this doesn't help to change that opinion.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 26 2015 16:13 GMT
#41250
Oh god lol Fox news is now questioning the "legitimacy" of the Supreme Court.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45174 Posts
June 26 2015 16:17 GMT
#41251
On June 27 2015 01:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Oh god lol Fox news is now questioning the "legitimacy" of the Supreme Court.


This isn't new though. If Jesus himself was a guest on Fox News, and then pulled some enlightened socialist "help the poor" crap, they'd literally hire a new Jesus. Preferably one with white skin, blonde hair, blue eyes, and nice legs.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45174 Posts
June 26 2015 16:19 GMT
#41252
Fox News is so salty. SO SALTY.

http://morningafter.gawker.com/fox-anchor-can-three-people-marry-each-other-now-that-1714158580?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

btw, gay marriage =/= polygamy.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
June 26 2015 16:19 GMT
#41253
On June 27 2015 00:39 Half the Sky wrote:
Scalia is way more conservative than the others so I'm not surprised. Same with Thomas.

I've not read the dissenters in full but looking at how it's been summarised....

http://www.nationaljournal.com/domesticpolicy/marriage-same-sex-gay-supreme-court-dissent-20150626

I don't like how Roberts says the court's stolen this issue from the people (assuming that's not misrepresented in this article)

I was pretty sure public opinion for this was a majority, not a vast majority but a majority and even then I don't know how it's relevant if the five who ruled in favour had to have done so on some legal basis anyways.

Meh I'm rambling. Guess I'll read in full since I'm curious...


Not only this, it's complete bullshit.

Equality isn't a up to popular opinion. One of the primary jobs of both Congress and the Court is to holy the tyranny of the majority in check and protect minorities from it.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 26 2015 16:19 GMT
#41254
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45174 Posts
June 26 2015 16:22 GMT
#41255
On June 27 2015 01:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/PzFeed/status/614459459209969664


Please secede.
Please secede.
Please secede.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45174 Posts
June 26 2015 16:23 GMT
#41256
On June 27 2015 01:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/PzFeed/status/614459459209969664


Top 3 Saltiest Things, as of today:
#3. Dead Sea- Called the Sea of Salt
#2. NaCl- Literally table salt
#1- Republicans- because of the Supreme Court's ruling on gay marriage
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 26 2015 16:23 GMT
#41257
On June 27 2015 01:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/PzFeed/status/614459459209969664

hahahahahahahaha, times like these I am happy I live in Minnesota. We seem that much more sane by comparison.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
June 26 2015 16:26 GMT
#41258
On June 27 2015 01:23 ThomasjServo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2015 01:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/PzFeed/status/614459459209969664

hahahahahahahaha, times like these I am happy I live in Minnesota. We seem that much more sane by comparison.


Fuck yea. Thank God we live up here. We have some people who are annoyingly conservative, but even the conservatives in our politics aren't batshit-crazy Southern conservatives.

Conservatives like that Texas AG are just pathetic and childish.

"Waaaah! They didn't rule they way I wanted them to! I'm going to ignore them and throw a temper tantrum!"

Typical conservative hypocrisy. "We need to be a society that follows the rule of law...until that law goes against what I want".
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45174 Posts
June 26 2015 16:29 GMT
#41259
The Onion is absolutely killing it today:

Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Alito Suddenly Realize They Will Be Villains In Oscar-Winning Movie One Day
~ http://www.theonion.com/article/scalia-thomas-roberts-alito-suddenly-realize-they--32972

Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Most Buck-Wild Pride Parade Nation’s Ever Seen
~ http://www.theonion.com/article/supreme-court-rules-favor-most-buck-wild-pride-par-50768

Supreme Court On Gay Marriage: 'Sure, Who Cares'
~ http://www.theonion.com/article/supreme-court-on-gay-marriage-sure-who-cares-31812
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
June 26 2015 16:30 GMT
#41260
MN up in the house?
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