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On April 11 2013 05:27 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 05:10 farvacola wrote:On April 11 2013 05:04 cLAN.Anax wrote:On April 11 2013 04:48 radiatoren wrote:On April 11 2013 04:38 cLAN.Anax wrote:
My two cents on the problem of education is less with the teachers or "educators" and more with the motivation of the students to learn. A lot of students don't seem to have the drive to finish their degrees, so they just don't ever complete their education. As it's said, you can drag a horse to water all day long, but ultimately you can't make 'im drink.... Are we back at: Students need responsibility for their education and the cheapest way to get there is to increase their degree of self-financing? Isn't "student responsibility" and "[someone else] increase their degree of self-financing" kind of contradictory? My opinion is students should take it upon themselves to be responsible; no amount of coercion or incentive will ultimately be enough if a person simply chooses not to learn. Basically, I see a whole lot of discussion on what " we" can/should do, when I believe it's fundamentally a student's personal deal. It just sounds like we're trying to solve other peoples' problems, and we're not doing well at it because we are not them. ^this is precisely why "the cult of the individual" will see this country torn apart if it becomes the status quo. "They aren't me, therefore I can do nothing." is utter despair, and I refuse to entertain such a notion. Sure, not everyone can be educated nor forced to learn, but there are millions upon millions of kids out there who don't want to learn because they've never been properly acquainted with good teaching/schools. That bit can't be ignored, something that left wing policies often do.
The brokenness of our education system does indeed belong in the hands of everyone involved; conservatives are too quick to simply cut budgets and ask questions later, whereas liberals are liable to do precisely the same thing with fattening budgets instead. The answer is clearly not just throw money at things, just as slashing budgets in the name of privatization is not the way.
Then again, Jonny, remember under whose administration NCLB passed 
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On April 11 2013 05:36 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 05:27 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On April 11 2013 05:10 farvacola wrote:On April 11 2013 05:04 cLAN.Anax wrote:On April 11 2013 04:48 radiatoren wrote:On April 11 2013 04:38 cLAN.Anax wrote:
My two cents on the problem of education is less with the teachers or "educators" and more with the motivation of the students to learn. A lot of students don't seem to have the drive to finish their degrees, so they just don't ever complete their education. As it's said, you can drag a horse to water all day long, but ultimately you can't make 'im drink.... Are we back at: Students need responsibility for their education and the cheapest way to get there is to increase their degree of self-financing? Isn't "student responsibility" and "[someone else] increase their degree of self-financing" kind of contradictory? My opinion is students should take it upon themselves to be responsible; no amount of coercion or incentive will ultimately be enough if a person simply chooses not to learn. Basically, I see a whole lot of discussion on what " we" can/should do, when I believe it's fundamentally a student's personal deal. It just sounds like we're trying to solve other peoples' problems, and we're not doing well at it because we are not them. ^this is precisely why "the cult of the individual" will see this country torn apart if it becomes the status quo. "They aren't me, therefore I can do nothing." is utter despair, and I refuse to entertain such a notion. Sure, not everyone can be educated nor forced to learn, but there are millions upon millions of kids out there who don't want to learn because they've never been properly acquainted with good teaching/schools. That bit can't be ignored, something that left wing policies often do. Yeah it can, depending on its degree of insignificance. Obviously in this case it cannot be ignored and we'll need to look further, but it's not as black-and-white as you're making it sound. And I don't know why 'B.A' is suddenly the magical criteria for success. There are plenty of people who use the Pell Grant for other things, such as A.A.s/EMS/Real Estate license/etc. That 3% figure is just needlessly fear mongering. That isn't to say that there aren't things that need improvement, but society needs to stop its obsession with bachelor's degrees.
By "ignore" I didn't mean collect data, evaluate and seek to improve where possible...
BTW I found the study referenced here. They even have a nice one-pager for us lazy folk 
On April 11 2013 05:38 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 05:27 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On April 11 2013 05:10 farvacola wrote:On April 11 2013 05:04 cLAN.Anax wrote:On April 11 2013 04:48 radiatoren wrote:On April 11 2013 04:38 cLAN.Anax wrote:
My two cents on the problem of education is less with the teachers or "educators" and more with the motivation of the students to learn. A lot of students don't seem to have the drive to finish their degrees, so they just don't ever complete their education. As it's said, you can drag a horse to water all day long, but ultimately you can't make 'im drink.... Are we back at: Students need responsibility for their education and the cheapest way to get there is to increase their degree of self-financing? Isn't "student responsibility" and "[someone else] increase their degree of self-financing" kind of contradictory? My opinion is students should take it upon themselves to be responsible; no amount of coercion or incentive will ultimately be enough if a person simply chooses not to learn. Basically, I see a whole lot of discussion on what " we" can/should do, when I believe it's fundamentally a student's personal deal. It just sounds like we're trying to solve other peoples' problems, and we're not doing well at it because we are not them. ^this is precisely why "the cult of the individual" will see this country torn apart if it becomes the status quo. "They aren't me, therefore I can do nothing." is utter despair, and I refuse to entertain such a notion. Sure, not everyone can be educated nor forced to learn, but there are millions upon millions of kids out there who don't want to learn because they've never been properly acquainted with good teaching/schools. That bit can't be ignored, something that left wing policies often do. The brokenness of our education system does indeed belong in the hands of everyone involved; conservatives are too quick to simply cut budgets and ask questions later, whereas liberals are liable to do precisely the same thing with fattening budgets instead. The answer is clearly not just throw money at things, just nas slashing budgets in the name of privatization is not the way. Then again, Jonny, remember under whose administration NCLB passed
Yeah, sloshing money either way isn't really the solution. It's a bit more involved than that.
P.S. what's up with freaking bitcoins today?
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Euros are afraid that the euro is about to collapse and are seeking a way to move their currencies into something fresh and new.
Bitcoins are also going into a new age of production with regular people with GPU's are now completly out of the market and only a few people with huge expensive specialized machines are going to be the producers.
Both of these things make people at the very least interested in bitcoins.
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On April 11 2013 06:17 Sermokala wrote:
Euros are afraid that the euro is about to collapse and are seeking a way to move their currencies into something fresh and new.
Bitcoins are also going into a new age of production with regular people with GPU's are now completly out of the market and only a few people with huge expensive specialized machines are going to be the producers.
Both of these things make people at the very least interested in bitcoins.
Thanks, I was more curious if anyone knew anything about why the price crashed earlier today.
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On April 11 2013 06:52 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 06:17 Sermokala wrote:
Euros are afraid that the euro is about to collapse and are seeking a way to move their currencies into something fresh and new.
Bitcoins are also going into a new age of production with regular people with GPU's are now completly out of the market and only a few people with huge expensive specialized machines are going to be the producers.
Both of these things make people at the very least interested in bitcoins. Thanks, I was more curious if anyone knew anything about why the price crashed earlier today.
I have a brilliant analysis of a friend studying finance "It's the reason we use a brownian movement to modelize stuff"...^^
I'd love to hear anything more substantial though.
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On April 11 2013 06:52 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 06:17 Sermokala wrote:
Euros are afraid that the euro is about to collapse and are seeking a way to move their currencies into something fresh and new.
Bitcoins are also going into a new age of production with regular people with GPU's are now completly out of the market and only a few people with huge expensive specialized machines are going to be the producers.
Both of these things make people at the very least interested in bitcoins. Thanks, I was more curious if anyone knew anything about why the price crashed earlier today.
beacuse people were happy with how high it got and wanted to cash out beacuse they realize theres nothing actualy backing these things called "bitcoins".
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Arlington, Va.’s million-dollar bus stop looks cool, but why so expensive? A ‘super stop’ in Arlington, Va., cost $1 million to build and, while it does have a digital display board and heated concrete floor, it does little to shield commuters from the wind and rain. Outrage has prompted the county to hold off on plans to build 23 more. ![[image loading]](http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1309684.1365281320!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/busstop7n-4-web.jpg)
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Note to self: don't buy Arlington, VA muni's :p
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maybe it's a transformer, robot in disguise
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On April 11 2013 05:27 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 05:10 farvacola wrote:On April 11 2013 05:04 cLAN.Anax wrote:On April 11 2013 04:48 radiatoren wrote:On April 11 2013 04:38 cLAN.Anax wrote:
My two cents on the problem of education is less with the teachers or "educators" and more with the motivation of the students to learn. A lot of students don't seem to have the drive to finish their degrees, so they just don't ever complete their education. As it's said, you can drag a horse to water all day long, but ultimately you can't make 'im drink.... Are we back at: Students need responsibility for their education and the cheapest way to get there is to increase their degree of self-financing? Isn't "student responsibility" and "[someone else] increase their degree of self-financing" kind of contradictory? My opinion is students should take it upon themselves to be responsible; no amount of coercion or incentive will ultimately be enough if a person simply chooses not to learn. Basically, I see a whole lot of discussion on what " we" can/should do, when I believe it's fundamentally a student's personal deal. It just sounds like we're trying to solve other peoples' problems, and we're not doing well at it because we are not them. ^this is precisely why "the cult of the individual" will see this country torn apart if it becomes the status quo. "They aren't me, therefore I can do nothing." is utter despair, and I refuse to entertain such a notion. Sure, not everyone can be educated nor forced to learn, but there are millions upon millions of kids out there who don't want to learn because they've never been properly acquainted with good teaching/schools. That bit can't be ignored, something that left wing policies often do.
this is a problem for both left and right, except the left would still have those kids in schools, while the libertarian theories just don't include those kids.
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On April 11 2013 07:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +Arlington, Va.’s million-dollar bus stop looks cool, but why so expensive? A ‘super stop’ in Arlington, Va., cost $1 million to build and, while it does have a digital display board and heated concrete floor, it does little to shield commuters from the wind and rain. Outrage has prompted the county to hold off on plans to build 23 more. LinkNote to self: don't buy Arlington, VA muni's :p
Now that's prioritization! Next expect public bathrooms with heated toilet seats and no running water.
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On April 11 2013 07:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +Arlington, Va.’s million-dollar bus stop looks cool, but why so expensive? A ‘super stop’ in Arlington, Va., cost $1 million to build and, while it does have a digital display board and heated concrete floor, it does little to shield commuters from the wind and rain. Outrage has prompted the county to hold off on plans to build 23 more. LinkNote to self: don't buy Arlington, VA muni's :p
last I checked Arlington Municipal bonds were rated AAA.
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On April 11 2013 07:50 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 07:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Arlington, Va.’s million-dollar bus stop looks cool, but why so expensive? A ‘super stop’ in Arlington, Va., cost $1 million to build and, while it does have a digital display board and heated concrete floor, it does little to shield commuters from the wind and rain. Outrage has prompted the county to hold off on plans to build 23 more. Note to self: don't buy Arlington, VA muni's :p last I checked Arlington Municipal bonds were rated AAA.
Then they have to be 100% always completly legit.
How can you argue with AAA?
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arlington county is quite rich
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Jesus christ, you could have built 5 homes, or pay the fulll four year tuition of 50 students for the price of that bus shelter.
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What was the point of that bus stop? The inner-cynic in me says it was probably to fill some company's pockets.
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On April 11 2013 08:42 Souma wrote:
What was the point of that bus stop? The inner-cynic in me says it was probably to fill some company's pockets.
the same point as computers in schools
to make money selling things nobody needs
and apropos my above comment about doctorates, I'm just talking about the humanities. I don't care about STEM education really even a little bit (and you don't need doctorates to teach STEM at that level, because that stuff is simple and concrete). we have plenty of technology. what we need is more humanity.
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Heated concrete floor outside.That must cost a fortune in electricity as well.
All public construction is terribly overpriced,noone cares about the costs as there is no bottom line.
1m for that bus stop realy?
Pouring the concrete floor with heating is maybe 25k tops (more like 10k but ok) then the rest of the shed can be build for another 25k (all prefab mass production) Add another 1000 for the digital display and you are at like 50k. Still it costs 1m lol.
Maybe some guy working at the city first did a study if the busstop was realy needed, this would add 100k but then we still 850k short. A decent profit margin for the builder @100% is 500k, maybe another study to confirm the first study for another 100, then 250 in bribes for the counsil who aproved this and we at 1m already.
Maybe 1m isnt that unreasonable after all
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On April 11 2013 09:35 Rassy wrote:
Heated concrete floor outside.That must cost a fortune in electricity as well.
All public construction is terribly overpriced,noone cares about the costs as there is no bottom line.
1m for that bus stop realy?
Pouring the concrete floor with heating is maybe 25k tops (more like 10k but ok) then the rest of the shed can be build for another 25k (all prefab mass production) Add another 1000 for the digital display and you are at like 50k. Still it costs 1m lol.
Maybe some guy working at the city first did a study if the busstop was realy needed, this would add 100k but then we still 850k short. A decent profit margin for the builder @100% is 500k, maybe another study to confirm the first study for another 100, then 250 in bribes for the counsil who aproved this and we at 1m already.
Maybe 1m isnt that unreasonable after all
the other 23 are supposed to cost just under 1 million as well, so this doesnt make sense
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The Internal Revenue Service doesn't believe it needs a search warrant to read your e-mail.
Newly disclosed documents prepared by IRS lawyers says that Americans enjoy "generally no privacy" in their e-mail, Facebook chats, Twitter direct messages, and similar online communications -- meaning that they can be perused without obtaining a search warrant signed by a judge.
That places the IRS at odds with a growing sentiment among many judges and legislators who believe that Americans' e-mail messages should be protected from warrantless search and seizure. They say e-mail should be protected by the same Fourth Amendment privacy standards that require search warrants for hard drives in someone's home, or a physical letter in a filing cabinet.
An IRS 2009 Search Warrant Handbook obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union argues that "emails and other transmissions generally lose their reasonable expectation of privacy and thus their Fourth Amendment protection once they have been sent from an individual's computer." The handbook was prepared by the Office of Chief Counsel for the Criminal Tax Division and obtained through the Freedom of Information Act.
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On April 11 2013 07:50 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 07:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Arlington, Va.’s million-dollar bus stop looks cool, but why so expensive? A ‘super stop’ in Arlington, Va., cost $1 million to build and, while it does have a digital display board and heated concrete floor, it does little to shield commuters from the wind and rain. Outrage has prompted the county to hold off on plans to build 23 more. Note to self: don't buy Arlington, VA muni's :p last I checked Arlington Municipal bonds were rated AAA.
Of course, they didn't really pay for the bus stops:
Some $800,000 of the money came from federal and state tax dollars via grants, according to CNN, so you helped pay for this luxurious stop even if you have and will never set foot in Arlington.
Edit: I really hope this was an oversight for state and federal grant programs and not a sign that they don't give shit what the money is for. It's one thing for one local office to err, it's another thing for the error to then be approved by two other government bodies.
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