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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 24 2015 18:03 GMT
#35221
WASHINGTON (AP) — The number of uninsured U.S. residents fell by more than 11 million since President Barack Obama signed the health care overhaul five years ago, according to a pair of reports Tuesday from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Although that still would leave about 37 million people uninsured, it's the lowest level measured in more than 15 years.

The most dramatic change took place in comparing 2013 with the first nine months of 2014. As the health care law's major coverage expansion was taking effect, the number of uninsured people fell by 7.6 million over that time.

That's "much bigger than can possibly be explained by the economy," said Larry Levitt of the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation. "The vast majority has to be due to the Affordable Care Act."

Monday was the law's fifth anniversary, and supporters and detractors again clashed over its impact.

Obama says the law in many ways is "working even better than anticipated."

House Speaker John Boehner says it amounts to a "legacy of broken promises."

The health care law offers subsidized private coverage to people who don't have access to it on the job, as well as an expanded version of Medicaid geared to low-income adults, in states accepting it.

The White House says 16 million people have gained health insurance, a considerably higher estimate than Tuesday's report from CDC's National Center for Health Statistics. The White House includes results from the law's second signup season, stretching into this year.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 24 2015 20:45 GMT
#35222
Republican presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), whose push to defund Obamacare led to a government shutdown, now plans to get insured through the federal exchange.

"We will presumably go on the exchange and sign up for health care and we're in the process of transitioning over to do that," Cruz told the Des Moines Register on Tuesday.

Previously, Cruz had been covered under his wife's blue-chip employer health insurance plan.

But Bloomberg reported that Heidi Nelson Cruz, a managing director for Goldman Sachs in Houston, had taken an unpaid leave from the company in order to pitch in on her husband's presidential campaign. Cruz confirmed to the Des Moines Register that his wife took a leave from the Wall Street firm.

When the Register asked Cruz if having to purchase insurance on the federal health care exchange bothered him, Cruz sidestepped the question.

"It is written in the law that members will be on the exchanges without subsidies just like millions of Americans so that's – I think the same rules should apply to all of us. Members of Congress should not be exempt," he told the newspaper, adding that he'd like still like to see Obamacare abolished.


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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
March 24 2015 21:57 GMT
#35223
On March 25 2015 05:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Republican presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), whose push to defund Obamacare led to a government shutdown, now plans to get insured through the federal exchange.

"We will presumably go on the exchange and sign up for health care and we're in the process of transitioning over to do that," Cruz told the Des Moines Register on Tuesday.

Previously, Cruz had been covered under his wife's blue-chip employer health insurance plan.

But Bloomberg reported that Heidi Nelson Cruz, a managing director for Goldman Sachs in Houston, had taken an unpaid leave from the company in order to pitch in on her husband's presidential campaign. Cruz confirmed to the Des Moines Register that his wife took a leave from the Wall Street firm.

When the Register asked Cruz if having to purchase insurance on the federal health care exchange bothered him, Cruz sidestepped the question.

"It is written in the law that members will be on the exchanges without subsidies just like millions of Americans so that's – I think the same rules should apply to all of us. Members of Congress should not be exempt," he told the newspaper, adding that he'd like still like to see Obamacare abolished.


Source


Can republicans finally put forth their alternative? 5 years of Repeal, repeal, repeal, REPEAL!, Republican candidates shouldn't be allowed to get away with saying "repeal Obamacare!" without having to at least outline what they would do about people with pre-existing conditions, kids that run up against annual and lifetime caps, etc....

Because otherwise if they only say "repeal and replace" it kind of has to be assumed that after 5 years of trying to do the repeal part, they should have at least had the replacement plan in case they ever actually succeeded. So if the plan is "We don't have a plan yet" then it seems the "plan" is to just go back to those people dying/going bankrupt/being uninsured.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22597 Posts
March 24 2015 22:07 GMT
#35224
On March 25 2015 06:57 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 05:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Republican presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), whose push to defund Obamacare led to a government shutdown, now plans to get insured through the federal exchange.

"We will presumably go on the exchange and sign up for health care and we're in the process of transitioning over to do that," Cruz told the Des Moines Register on Tuesday.

Previously, Cruz had been covered under his wife's blue-chip employer health insurance plan.

But Bloomberg reported that Heidi Nelson Cruz, a managing director for Goldman Sachs in Houston, had taken an unpaid leave from the company in order to pitch in on her husband's presidential campaign. Cruz confirmed to the Des Moines Register that his wife took a leave from the Wall Street firm.

When the Register asked Cruz if having to purchase insurance on the federal health care exchange bothered him, Cruz sidestepped the question.

"It is written in the law that members will be on the exchanges without subsidies just like millions of Americans so that's – I think the same rules should apply to all of us. Members of Congress should not be exempt," he told the newspaper, adding that he'd like still like to see Obamacare abolished.


Source


Can republicans finally put forth their alternative? 5 years of Repeal, repeal, repeal, REPEAL!, Republican candidates shouldn't be allowed to get away with saying "repeal Obamacare!" without having to at least outline what they would do about people with pre-existing conditions, kids that run up against annual and lifetime caps, etc....

Because otherwise if they only say "repeal and replace" it kind of has to be assumed that after 5 years of trying to do the repeal part, they should have at least had the replacement plan in case they ever actually succeeded. So if the plan is "We don't have a plan yet" then it seems the "plan" is to just go back to those people dying/going bankrupt/being uninsured.

Well... there is no plan yet ^^

And if your talking about Cruz specifically your talking about the 'mastermind' behind the government shutdown who had no plan for how to resolve the shutdown in the Republicans favor.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-24 22:46:22
March 24 2015 22:45 GMT
#35225
On March 25 2015 06:57 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 05:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Republican presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), whose push to defund Obamacare led to a government shutdown, now plans to get insured through the federal exchange.

"We will presumably go on the exchange and sign up for health care and we're in the process of transitioning over to do that," Cruz told the Des Moines Register on Tuesday.

Previously, Cruz had been covered under his wife's blue-chip employer health insurance plan.

But Bloomberg reported that Heidi Nelson Cruz, a managing director for Goldman Sachs in Houston, had taken an unpaid leave from the company in order to pitch in on her husband's presidential campaign. Cruz confirmed to the Des Moines Register that his wife took a leave from the Wall Street firm.

When the Register asked Cruz if having to purchase insurance on the federal health care exchange bothered him, Cruz sidestepped the question.

"It is written in the law that members will be on the exchanges without subsidies just like millions of Americans so that's – I think the same rules should apply to all of us. Members of Congress should not be exempt," he told the newspaper, adding that he'd like still like to see Obamacare abolished.


Source


Can republicans finally put forth their alternative? 5 years of Repeal, repeal, repeal, REPEAL!, Republican candidates shouldn't be allowed to get away with saying "repeal Obamacare!" without having to at least outline what they would do about people with pre-existing conditions, kids that run up against annual and lifetime caps, etc....

Because otherwise if they only say "repeal and replace" it kind of has to be assumed that after 5 years of trying to do the repeal part, they should have at least had the replacement plan in case they ever actually succeeded. So if the plan is "We don't have a plan yet" then it seems the "plan" is to just go back to those people dying/going bankrupt/being uninsured.


There's no reason for Republicans actually announce an alternative yet; they're far better off using thinktanks behind closed doors and only showing their hand before the election. It's impossible to repeal Obamacare/pass an alternative until another president takes office, after all. None of the people in Congress are dumb enough to think otherwise.

All revealing some grand plan (which will probably be some voucher move in the end) will do is allow Democrats more time to pick holes in the plan. It's just a political reality.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 24 2015 22:56 GMT
#35226
A comprehensive bill introduced in the House of Representatives Tuesday aims to deal a significant blow to the federal government's long-running war on medical marijuana.

The Compassionate Access, Research Expansion and Respect States (CARERS) Act, introduced by Reps. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.) and Don Young (R-Alaska), is a House companion bill to an identical Senate bill from Sens. Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) introduced earlier this month. Each bill seeks to drastically reduce the federal government's ability to crack down on state-legal medical marijuana programs, and aims to encourage more research into the plant through several changes in federal law.

The historic Senate version of the bill has also gained traction with two new sponsors since its introduction: Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) and Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.).

“The science has been in for a long time, and keeping marijuana on Schedule I -- with heroin and LSD -- is ludicrous," Cohen said in a statement Tuesday. "I am pleased to join with Congressman Don Young in introducing this important bill to bring the federal government in line with the science and the American people, respect states’ rights, remove the threat of federal prosecution in states with medical marijuana, and help our citizens access the treatments they need.”

Bill Piper, national affairs director for the Drug Policy Alliance, a drug policy reform group, told The Huffington Post that the House version of the bill was introduced because "momentum is so strong" for the bipartisan CARERS Act.

"This has become one of the few issues Democrats and Republicans can agree on," Piper told HuffPost in an email. "The tide is quickly turning against marijuana prohibition, and the war on drugs in general; it's only a question of when, not if, reform will happen."


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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 24 2015 23:02 GMT
#35227
what a contrived name and acronym for a bill.
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
March 24 2015 23:24 GMT
#35228
On March 25 2015 06:57 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 05:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Republican presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), whose push to defund Obamacare led to a government shutdown, now plans to get insured through the federal exchange.

"We will presumably go on the exchange and sign up for health care and we're in the process of transitioning over to do that," Cruz told the Des Moines Register on Tuesday.

Previously, Cruz had been covered under his wife's blue-chip employer health insurance plan.

But Bloomberg reported that Heidi Nelson Cruz, a managing director for Goldman Sachs in Houston, had taken an unpaid leave from the company in order to pitch in on her husband's presidential campaign. Cruz confirmed to the Des Moines Register that his wife took a leave from the Wall Street firm.

When the Register asked Cruz if having to purchase insurance on the federal health care exchange bothered him, Cruz sidestepped the question.

"It is written in the law that members will be on the exchanges without subsidies just like millions of Americans so that's – I think the same rules should apply to all of us. Members of Congress should not be exempt," he told the newspaper, adding that he'd like still like to see Obamacare abolished.


Source


Can republicans finally put forth their alternative? 5 years of Repeal, repeal, repeal, REPEAL!, Republican candidates shouldn't be allowed to get away with saying "repeal Obamacare!" without having to at least outline what they would do about people with pre-existing conditions, kids that run up against annual and lifetime caps, etc....

Because otherwise if they only say "repeal and replace" it kind of has to be assumed that after 5 years of trying to do the repeal part, they should have at least had the replacement plan in case they ever actually succeeded. So if the plan is "We don't have a plan yet" then it seems the "plan" is to just go back to those people dying/going bankrupt/being uninsured.

Well, from their point of view, repealing the system, even without an alternative, would be preferable. If you've been set on fire, do you want to wait for someone to propose an alternative, or do you just want put out regardless of what happens next?

Not that I think the ACA is as bad as being set on fire, but that's the kind of logic.

Also, the ACA doesn't mean people no longer have to choose between dying or going bankrupt. Insurance companies will still deny expensive treatments, leaving patients to pick up the tab or die. Just because you're insured now doesn't mean your insurance company will write a blank check.
Who called in the fleet?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
March 24 2015 23:28 GMT
#35229
On March 25 2015 07:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
A comprehensive bill introduced in the House of Representatives Tuesday aims to deal a significant blow to the federal government's long-running war on medical marijuana.

The Compassionate Access, Research Expansion and Respect States (CARERS) Act, introduced by Reps. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.) and Don Young (R-Alaska), is a House companion bill to an identical Senate bill from Sens. Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) introduced earlier this month. Each bill seeks to drastically reduce the federal government's ability to crack down on state-legal medical marijuana programs, and aims to encourage more research into the plant through several changes in federal law.

The historic Senate version of the bill has also gained traction with two new sponsors since its introduction: Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) and Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.).

“The science has been in for a long time, and keeping marijuana on Schedule I -- with heroin and LSD -- is ludicrous," Cohen said in a statement Tuesday. "I am pleased to join with Congressman Don Young in introducing this important bill to bring the federal government in line with the science and the American people, respect states’ rights, remove the threat of federal prosecution in states with medical marijuana, and help our citizens access the treatments they need.”

Bill Piper, national affairs director for the Drug Policy Alliance, a drug policy reform group, told The Huffington Post that the House version of the bill was introduced because "momentum is so strong" for the bipartisan CARERS Act.

"This has become one of the few issues Democrats and Republicans can agree on," Piper told HuffPost in an email. "The tide is quickly turning against marijuana prohibition, and the war on drugs in general; it's only a question of when, not if, reform will happen."


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Still pretty terrible legislation, but better than what we have, and would be the first genuinely bipartisan breakthrough in the better half of a decade.

As far as the naming, that's maybe a 3 out of 5 (if I were being generous)?

We remember this gem right?

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"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
March 24 2015 23:48 GMT
#35230
I'd like to have a bipartisan committee that's in charge of giving all bills name that are bland and non-biased.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44296 Posts
March 25 2015 00:06 GMT
#35231
Or you could just number them.
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Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
March 25 2015 00:09 GMT
#35232
On March 25 2015 09:06 KwarK wrote:
Or you could just number them.

But then the religious right will get buttmad about bill #13 and bill #666.
Who called in the fleet?
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
March 25 2015 00:16 GMT
#35233
On March 25 2015 09:09 Millitron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 09:06 KwarK wrote:
Or you could just number them.

But then the religious right will get buttmad about bill #13 and bill #666.

Why does everyone act like only the right are religious?

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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22597 Posts
March 25 2015 00:29 GMT
#35234
On March 25 2015 09:16 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 09:09 Millitron wrote:
On March 25 2015 09:06 KwarK wrote:
Or you could just number them.

But then the religious right will get buttmad about bill #13 and bill #666.

Why does everyone act like only the right are religious?

[image loading]

The left has plenty of religious folks aswell indeed. I think they are generally less of the bat shit insane variant.
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Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
March 25 2015 00:34 GMT
#35235
The religious left likes their religious liberty, rather than state salafism.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
March 25 2015 00:47 GMT
#35236
On March 25 2015 09:16 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 09:09 Millitron wrote:
On March 25 2015 09:06 KwarK wrote:
Or you could just number them.

But then the religious right will get buttmad about bill #13 and bill #666.

Why does everyone act like only the right are religious?

[image loading]


Well, people probably do it for different reasons but the general idea is mostly in the last numbers in the image. Note it's asking about religion not "Christianity".

When people think "The right is religious and the left is not" what they are really thinking is "The right is Christian and..."That message is consistently reinforced in many peoples worlds.

Obviously people who are minorities, or know them at least kind of closely, anecdotaly know that's a ridiculous idea. However, people without those experiences can easily buy into some part of the narrative that the left is full of amoral atheists, and any "good Christian" would have to vote Republican (pro-life and such). Also (particularly white) people on the left are just more likely to grow up around areligious families and develop the sense that's what "most" families are like.

Another chunk, is a lot of people are on the right because of religion (think Huckabee first type supporters), whereas people on the left happen to be religious or in spite of their religious beliefs (supporting pro-choice Dems).

Most people if questioned though wouldn't suggest only the right is religious, but I think the point captured is that the left isn't going to throw a fit and offer legislation to prevent a bill being labeled #666 (although they would vote for it all the same most likely).




"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
March 25 2015 01:02 GMT
#35237
It depends on the religious groups: eg, Catholics are generally democratic leaning due to holding economic "liberal" beliefs, despite social conservatism. Muslims and Jews are similarly democratic leaning.
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JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
March 25 2015 01:08 GMT
#35238
On March 25 2015 09:06 KwarK wrote:
Or you could just number them.

They do get numbered. It is S. 683.

On March 25 2015 09:09 Millitron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 09:06 KwarK wrote:
Or you could just number them.

But then the religious right will get buttmad about bill #13 and bill #666.

S. 666: Quicker Veterans Benefits Delivery Act of 2015 (source).

Sponsored by a Democrat! Such proof, much evil!

GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-25 01:10:57
March 25 2015 01:09 GMT
#35239
Should probably remind us of this poll also in regards to religion.

Just keep in mind this is expressly prohibited by the Constitution. The same Constitution they hold so dear.
[image loading]

Source

Ted Cruz's dad has been something else around these topics. Only a matter of time before Cruz has to embrace the crazy or throw his own dad under the political bus.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-25 03:27:49
March 25 2015 03:23 GMT
#35240
found this interesting. not sure if anyone else will though http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lets-be-serious-about-ted-cruz-from-the-start-hes-too-extreme-and-too-disliked-to-win/.

On March 25 2015 09:34 Jormundr wrote:
The religious left likes their religious liberty, rather than state salafism.

?


http://dictionary.reference.com/misspelling?term=salafism&s=t
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