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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 06 2015 11:15 GMT
#34061
hillary is like shark bait for republicans hahaha. no she's not going away because of some email thing.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
March 06 2015 13:26 GMT
#34062
On March 06 2015 13:54 xDaunt wrote:
I'm trying to figure out why we're talking about nigh-irrelevant oil spills and last year's news (Ferguson) instead of the possible political demise of Hillary.


It's incredibly wishful thinking for you to think that Hilary's political campaign will be in any way derailed by something as stupid as this email fiasco. Conservatives are just making a big show of it like they do everything else.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22060 Posts
March 06 2015 13:39 GMT
#34063
On March 06 2015 13:54 xDaunt wrote:
I'm trying to figure out why we're talking about nigh-irrelevant oil spills and last year's news (Ferguson) instead of the possible political demise of Hillary.

Has there been any actual scandal worthy evidence yet or is it still the same as before? A mistake (which indeed should not have been made) but no real content.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
always_winter
Profile Joined February 2015
United States195 Posts
March 06 2015 13:40 GMT
#34064
Just wait until the Republican primaries. Hilary's gmail account will be old news by the time Rick Perry takes to the stage. 2016's headliner appears to be my man Ben Carson, who so eloquently summed up his opinion of gay choice in this interview with CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/04/politics/ben-carson-prisons-gay-choice/index.html

The 2012 Republican primaries were incredibly entertaining. I'm very much looking forward to 2016.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-06 13:54:47
March 06 2015 13:51 GMT
#34065
The republican primaries has to be the best gold mine if you're looking for stupid uneducated comments.

Also the e-mails thing, lol.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
always_winter
Profile Joined February 2015
United States195 Posts
March 06 2015 14:35 GMT
#34066
The U.S. economy added 295,000 jobs in February, which crushed expectations. That beat the estimate from CNNMoney's survey of economists, who predicted 235,000 job gains.

February's job growth shows how far the economy has come in a year. It's the 12th straight month that the economy has gained over 200,000 jobs, and the unemployment rate fell to 5.5%.

That's the lowest unemployment rate since May 2008 -- before the financial crisis. Unemployment has come a long way from a year ago when it was 6.7%.


Source: http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/06/news/economy/february-jobs-295000-us-economy/index.html

Ryuhou)aS(
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1174 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-06 14:54:53
March 06 2015 14:52 GMT
#34067
Your data suggest little to no automatic preference between Black people and White people.

This was a weird test. It felt like they were conditioning me what to think and not trying to find what i actually think. But then the results were what i felt my results would be based on what i think so i just donno.

edit: I would also like to add I'm so sick of all this black or white nonsense. We're all humans for goodness sake.
BW. There will always be a special place in my heart for the game I spent 10 years to be mediocre at.
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
March 06 2015 15:36 GMT
#34068
On March 06 2015 23:52 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:
Your data suggest little to no automatic preference between Black people and White people.

This was a weird test. It felt like they were conditioning me what to think and not trying to find what i actually think. But then the results were what i felt my results would be based on what i think so i just donno.

edit: I would also like to add I'm so sick of all this black or white nonsense. We're all humans for goodness sake.

There are significant challenges blacks face in America. At the top of the list is the toxic culture young black males have crafted.
dude bro.
Wolfstan
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada605 Posts
March 06 2015 15:52 GMT
#34069
Careful now, I know you may have been raised to judge a man by his actions and character, not by the color of his skin. Apparently we have to learn only privileged white men have the luxury of believing color doesn't matter and all men are created equal.
EG - ROOT - Gambit Gaming
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
March 06 2015 16:03 GMT
#34070
On March 07 2015 00:36 heliusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 23:52 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:
Your data suggest little to no automatic preference between Black people and White people.

This was a weird test. It felt like they were conditioning me what to think and not trying to find what i actually think. But then the results were what i felt my results would be based on what i think so i just donno.

edit: I would also like to add I'm so sick of all this black or white nonsense. We're all humans for goodness sake.

There are significant challenges blacks face in America. At the top of the list is the toxic culture young black males have crafted.

Culture isn't crafted.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 06 2015 16:13 GMT
#34071
Sitting in a room on the fourth floor of the Cannon building, sipping soda and beer minutes after they helped defeat a three-week extension of Homeland Security funding, the roughly two dozen House conservatives who in January declared themselves the Freedom Caucus were looking to flex their muscles again.

They made the House Republican leaders an offer — a one-week funding bill, with the option for another two weeks if formal negotiations with the Senate were launched. After breaking for dinner, and scrolling through news on their iPhones and BlackBerrys, the group walked back to the House floor together to watch leadership’s machinations firsthand.

Ultimately, the House leaders rejected the offer from the Freedom Caucus and, in a further rebuke, eventually gave in to Democratic demands for a floor vote on a bill funding DHS through September. But that defeat looked almost like a victory to many members of the Freedom Caucus, who insist they have established themselves as a unified force. They didn’t try to oust Speaker John Boehner, as some in Boehner’s circle feared, but rather came away prepared to be a constant counterweight to the embattled speaker.

“While yesterday we might have lost a major battle, I think that tactically, our strength is growing very quickly,” Rep. Matt Salmon (R-Ariz.) said. “The number of people who want to join our ranks is increasing every day.”

Salmon and other members of the Freedom Caucus made clear that their purpose isn’t simply endless debate. For years, the nucleus of conservative thought in the House has been the Republican Study Committee, which holds meetings that are large and ideologically diverse. The group has been risk-averse, hardly ever unifying behind a legislative strategy.

The Freedom Caucus was a response to that, and in the midst of their first legislative battle over funding for the Department of Homeland Security, they showed just how different they’d be. Since Republicans took the majority in 2011, the far right wing of the House Republican Conference has been a disparate bunch, unable to clearly articulate a unified set of demands to the leadership.

That all seems to have changed this week.
Although they clearly lost the fight over DHS funding, the Freedom Caucus is beginning to show that it is a force that requires leadership’s attention. They are showing legislative sophistication, defying the perception of a ragtag collection of demagogues many in the Capitol had them pegged as.

Members of the group, including Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), were able to slow consideration of the Senate’s DHS bill using rarely employed floor tactics — a strategy born of consultations with parliamentary advisers that lasted more than a week, sources said. They successfully worked to whip up opposition to Republican leadership’s plans, dealing Boehner and House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) an embarrassing defeat on the House floor.

With the backing of popular conservatives, they have changed the definition of what legislation meets conservative muster. Those new standards have grown the group’s reach beyond its approximately two dozen members. In the DHS fight, Republican leadership saw reliable allies siding with a different Ohioan than Boehner: Rep. Jim Jordan, who runs the Freedom Caucus.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-06 16:21:24
March 06 2015 16:15 GMT
#34072
A house divided against itself within the House cannot stand
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Sandvich
Profile Joined September 2011
United States57 Posts
March 06 2015 16:20 GMT
#34073
On March 07 2015 00:52 Wolfstan wrote:
Careful now, I know you may have been raised to judge a man by his actions and character, not by the color of his skin. Apparently we have to learn only privileged white men have the luxury of believing color doesn't matter and all men are created equal.

Well when you're faced with near constant discrimination as a minority you have no other choice but to see that color continues to matter in today's world. Of course in the perfect world it wouldn't, and we all would be judged by just our actions, but racism however subtle is still pervasive in our society and to say otherwise is to be uninformed.
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"Stop Whining"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 06 2015 16:25 GMT
#34074
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 06 2015 16:26 GMT
#34075
I'll just leave this thought out there as it pertains to Hillary: there's a significant chunk of democrats that really don't want her to run for president. There's a reason why she was so easily torpedoed by Obama in 2008. I don't see why she'll do better this time around. Her quality as a politician is no where near the same as her husband's. She is not equipped to deal with her ever-growing baggage train, and many democrats know it, which is why the defense of Hillary on this email issue has been so tepid. Just watch and wait.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 06 2015 16:46 GMT
#34076
i hope a guy that is kind of like bloomberg but to his left on labor runs.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18194 Posts
March 06 2015 17:03 GMT
#34077
On March 07 2015 01:26 xDaunt wrote:
I'll just leave this thought out there as it pertains to Hillary: there's a significant chunk of democrats that really don't want her to run for president. There's a reason why she was so easily torpedoed by Obama in 2008. I don't see why she'll do better this time around. Her quality as a politician is no where near the same as her husband's. She is not equipped to deal with her ever-growing baggage train, and many democrats know it, which is why the defense of Hillary on this email issue has been so tepid. Just watch and wait.

Unless another Obama stands up for the democrats to rally behind against Clinton, I don't see any other demcratic candidate. And regardless of whether they are big fans of her or not, they will rally behind her for the general elections. Probably a lot more than the incredibly polarized GOP will rally behind whoever survives the primaries.
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
March 06 2015 17:11 GMT
#34078
O'Malley is actually a good choice, since he might not be know in the rest of the US as much... but he is know in Northern Virginia... and that is one of the 4-5 states that will matter.

{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 06 2015 18:14 GMT
#34079
When Joyce Coltrin emails local customers of her wholesale garden nursery, she makes sure to keep her messages brief and doesn’t attach photos or documents. “I try not to write lengthy emails, because people here are using very expensive ways of reading them,” she says. With no reliable broadband service available, many residents of this small community in rural Bradley County, Tennessee, rely exclusively on 3G cellular networks for Internet access. “People are paying in the range of $300 a month using their cellphones,” she estimates, and service can be slow. “Students have to go all the way into town to a McDonald’s or Starbucks and use their Wi-Fi networks just to do schoolwork.”

Even more frustrating for Coltrin and her neighbors is that just down the road, in the same county, communities have access to a publicly owned fiber optic broadband network that delivers speeds of up to 1 gigabit per second. That network is financed and operated by EPB, a local electric utility that has been selling affordable high-speed broadband to residential and business customers since 2009.

EPB has a fiber optic line just half a mile from her office Coltrin, said, so she was surprised to learn that they can’t sell their service to her. That’s because a 1999 Tennessee law prohibits a public operator like EPB from expanding broadband services beyond its utilities footprint. EPB’s network may be offered only to its electricity customers.

Tennessee is hardly an outlier when it comes to limiting what’s known as municipal broadband, networks run by public entities or in public-private partnerships like Google Fiber. Nineteen states have laws significantly restricting or effectively banning municipal broadband. And each year new bills surface in statehouses across the country in attempts to increase that number. Supporters of these laws argue that capital-intensive projects like fiber broadband are too risky for local communities to pursue, given that taxpayers are left to foot the bill should a project fail.

A look at the legislative process in some of these states, however, reveals very close collaboration between the cable industry and lawmakers where the primary goal is simply to protect private companies from public competition.

In May 2011, North Carolina passed H129, a bill that effectively blocks new municipal broadband efforts with strict limits on financing methods and minimum retail pricing while requiring municipal broadband networks to pay state and local taxes as if they were for-profit businesses. The bill’s House sponsor was Rep. Marilyn Avila, R-40th District. In February of that year she arranged a meeting to bring opponents and proponents together for negotiation over the legislation. Avila, according to multiple people who attended that meeting, shocked opponents of the bill by quickly handing over the proceedings to Marcus Trathen, a lobbyist for Time Warner Cable whose law office also houses the North Carolina Cable Telecommunications Association, the industry’s trade group.

“Everybody on our side was like, ‘You’ve got to be kidding me,’” says Catherine Rice, a community broadband advocate. “[Trathen] ran the meeting, asked what was in the bill that people didn’t like and justified all the different pieces of it that he thought were fine. He was doing this without even looking at the bill, reciting it from memory. So we knew he was deeply involved in it.”

A second person that attended the meeting corroborated Rice’s account, speaking on condition of anonymity.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Millitron
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2611 Posts
March 06 2015 18:43 GMT
#34080
On March 07 2015 03:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
When Joyce Coltrin emails local customers of her wholesale garden nursery, she makes sure to keep her messages brief and doesn’t attach photos or documents. “I try not to write lengthy emails, because people here are using very expensive ways of reading them,” she says. With no reliable broadband service available, many residents of this small community in rural Bradley County, Tennessee, rely exclusively on 3G cellular networks for Internet access. “People are paying in the range of $300 a month using their cellphones,” she estimates, and service can be slow. “Students have to go all the way into town to a McDonald’s or Starbucks and use their Wi-Fi networks just to do schoolwork.”

Even more frustrating for Coltrin and her neighbors is that just down the road, in the same county, communities have access to a publicly owned fiber optic broadband network that delivers speeds of up to 1 gigabit per second. That network is financed and operated by EPB, a local electric utility that has been selling affordable high-speed broadband to residential and business customers since 2009.

EPB has a fiber optic line just half a mile from her office Coltrin, said, so she was surprised to learn that they can’t sell their service to her. That’s because a 1999 Tennessee law prohibits a public operator like EPB from expanding broadband services beyond its utilities footprint. EPB’s network may be offered only to its electricity customers.

Tennessee is hardly an outlier when it comes to limiting what’s known as municipal broadband, networks run by public entities or in public-private partnerships like Google Fiber. Nineteen states have laws significantly restricting or effectively banning municipal broadband. And each year new bills surface in statehouses across the country in attempts to increase that number. Supporters of these laws argue that capital-intensive projects like fiber broadband are too risky for local communities to pursue, given that taxpayers are left to foot the bill should a project fail.

A look at the legislative process in some of these states, however, reveals very close collaboration between the cable industry and lawmakers where the primary goal is simply to protect private companies from public competition.

In May 2011, North Carolina passed H129, a bill that effectively blocks new municipal broadband efforts with strict limits on financing methods and minimum retail pricing while requiring municipal broadband networks to pay state and local taxes as if they were for-profit businesses. The bill’s House sponsor was Rep. Marilyn Avila, R-40th District. In February of that year she arranged a meeting to bring opponents and proponents together for negotiation over the legislation. Avila, according to multiple people who attended that meeting, shocked opponents of the bill by quickly handing over the proceedings to Marcus Trathen, a lobbyist for Time Warner Cable whose law office also houses the North Carolina Cable Telecommunications Association, the industry’s trade group.

“Everybody on our side was like, ‘You’ve got to be kidding me,’” says Catherine Rice, a community broadband advocate. “[Trathen] ran the meeting, asked what was in the bill that people didn’t like and justified all the different pieces of it that he thought were fine. He was doing this without even looking at the bill, reciting it from memory. So we knew he was deeply involved in it.”

A second person that attended the meeting corroborated Rice’s account, speaking on condition of anonymity.


Source

This is a big reason I'm afraid of net neutrality. Making the internet a publicly regulated utility sounds like a good idea, until you realize the people doing the regulation are ISP employees.
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