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On February 20 2015 10:26 Nyxisto wrote:
Yeah, refusing to treat a child because you're offended by their parents sexual orientation doesn't stop someone from being a bigot just because you write a nice letter. Is this even legal behaviour?
Why isn't she allowed to refuse service? Sexual orientation is not and should not be a protected status. The doctor should have the right to determine whom she services. Going to a pediatric appointment is not the same is getting care at an emergency room.
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On February 20 2015 10:21 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 09:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:A Detroit-area pediatrician refused to treat a newborn baby girl because her parents are lesbians, according to local media reports that have highlighted a lack of legal protections for LGBT people in many states.
Krista and Jami Contreras brought their six-day-old baby girl to see Dr. Vesna Roi at Eastlake Pediatrics in Roseville, Michigan for her first checkup in October 2014. They were dismayed when a different pediatrician greeted told them Roi had “prayed about it” and decided she could not treat the baby for religious regions, the Detroit Free Press reported on Wednesday.
Roi was not immediately available for comment to Al Jazeera.
The women had searched for a pediatrician who would be open to treating the child of a married lesbian couple, and their midwife had recommended Roi as having “a more holistic approach,” Krista Contreras wrote in a Facebook post about the incident. After meeting with Roi, the Contrerases decided the doctor was a good fit, and they were instructed to schedule their baby’s first appointment once she was born.
Roi “was well aware that we were lesbian moms. We canceled meetings with other pediatricians because we were happy with her,” Krista wrote in the Facebook post. “Now our little girl was six days old, and we were in a room with a doctor we have never met, feeling pretty humiliated, distraught and hurt.”
She added, “The fact that [Roi] refused to see our innocent little girl is disturbing. But the fact that she did not have the decency to let us know ahead of time that she had a problem with the sexual orientation of her parents and would not be willing to take her as a patient really just pissed me off.”
While the incident happened in October 2014, the mothers told the Detroit Free Press that they decided to come forward with their story to highlight the plight of same-sex parents who experience discrimination.
Roi, who has been a pediatrician for nearly 20 years, told the Detroit Free Press that she couldn’t comment on the case, citing HIPPA, the federal law protecting the privacy of patients’ medical information. But she apologized to the women for refusing to treat their daughter in a letter printed by newspaper. Source Handwritten letter by pediatristIncludes, Show nested quote +I am writing this letter of apology as I feel that it is important and necessary. I never meant to hurt either one of you. After much prayer following your prenatal, I felt that I would not be able to develop the personal patient doctor relationship that I normally do with my patients. I felt that was not fair to the two of you or to Bay. I felt that you deserved that type of relationship and I knew you could get that with Dr. Karam. [...]
Again, I am very sorry for the hurt and angry feelings that were created by this. I hope you can accept my apology. I wish you all the best.
Blessings,
Dr. Veina Roi Mark that letter well, it's the discriminatory statement of another religious bigot. I think this pediatrician will soon face a similar order to the Colorado bakers: Make them bake cake! I'm guessing this community isn't willing to carve a religious exemption for delivering babies conceived in a gay marriage (or however you write that), much as they might for doctors performing abortions, or pastors refusing to marry them.
I think the irony is that she is obviously an intelligent woman. The question is what her prayer revealed. Not serving gay people is a peculiar point to stand your ground on. The Bible and Jesus both make it much more clear where they stand on people who are divorced/adulterers as clearly being unacceptable (without special circumstance). Yet none of the people turning away homosexuals are turning away people on their 3rd or 4th marriages? Hard to take seriously that it has anything to do with religion when they are only picking a particular group of people to single out using some tangential references yet ignore blatant doctrine condemning other groups.
Just come out and say you don't wan't to serve gay people, don't hide behind the bible and claim Jesus wants you to not help the baby and her parents.
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On February 20 2015 10:34 hannahbelle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 10:26 Nyxisto wrote:
Yeah, refusing to treat a child because you're offended by their parents sexual orientation doesn't stop someone from being a bigot just because you write a nice letter. Is this even legal behaviour? Why isn't she allowed to refuse service? Sexual orientation is not and should not be a protected status. The doctor should have the right to determine whom she services. Going to a pediatric appointment is not the same is getting care at an emergency room.
She's a pediatric and the child is her patient, not the parents, and I assume the child isn't homosexual. Secondly she's a doctor and people depend on medical services, if she would be selling donuts it would still be retarded but at least tolerable. Also she has probably sworn an oath at some point that included helping people regardless what their sexual orientation is.
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If it's a practice open to the public, she should not be able to deny services based on sexual orientation. It's that simple.
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On February 20 2015 10:38 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 10:21 Danglars wrote:On February 20 2015 09:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:A Detroit-area pediatrician refused to treat a newborn baby girl because her parents are lesbians, according to local media reports that have highlighted a lack of legal protections for LGBT people in many states.
Krista and Jami Contreras brought their six-day-old baby girl to see Dr. Vesna Roi at Eastlake Pediatrics in Roseville, Michigan for her first checkup in October 2014. They were dismayed when a different pediatrician greeted told them Roi had “prayed about it” and decided she could not treat the baby for religious regions, the Detroit Free Press reported on Wednesday.
Roi was not immediately available for comment to Al Jazeera.
The women had searched for a pediatrician who would be open to treating the child of a married lesbian couple, and their midwife had recommended Roi as having “a more holistic approach,” Krista Contreras wrote in a Facebook post about the incident. After meeting with Roi, the Contrerases decided the doctor was a good fit, and they were instructed to schedule their baby’s first appointment once she was born.
Roi “was well aware that we were lesbian moms. We canceled meetings with other pediatricians because we were happy with her,” Krista wrote in the Facebook post. “Now our little girl was six days old, and we were in a room with a doctor we have never met, feeling pretty humiliated, distraught and hurt.”
She added, “The fact that [Roi] refused to see our innocent little girl is disturbing. But the fact that she did not have the decency to let us know ahead of time that she had a problem with the sexual orientation of her parents and would not be willing to take her as a patient really just pissed me off.”
While the incident happened in October 2014, the mothers told the Detroit Free Press that they decided to come forward with their story to highlight the plight of same-sex parents who experience discrimination.
Roi, who has been a pediatrician for nearly 20 years, told the Detroit Free Press that she couldn’t comment on the case, citing HIPPA, the federal law protecting the privacy of patients’ medical information. But she apologized to the women for refusing to treat their daughter in a letter printed by newspaper. Source Handwritten letter by pediatristIncludes, I am writing this letter of apology as I feel that it is important and necessary. I never meant to hurt either one of you. After much prayer following your prenatal, I felt that I would not be able to develop the personal patient doctor relationship that I normally do with my patients. I felt that was not fair to the two of you or to Bay. I felt that you deserved that type of relationship and I knew you could get that with Dr. Karam. [...]
Again, I am very sorry for the hurt and angry feelings that were created by this. I hope you can accept my apology. I wish you all the best.
Blessings,
Dr. Veina Roi Mark that letter well, it's the discriminatory statement of another religious bigot. I think this pediatrician will soon face a similar order to the Colorado bakers: Make them bake cake! I'm guessing this community isn't willing to carve a religious exemption for delivering babies conceived in a gay marriage (or however you write that), much as they might for doctors performing abortions, or pastors refusing to marry them. I think the irony is that she is obviously an intelligent woman. The question is what her prayer revealed. Not serving gay people is a peculiar point to stand your ground on. The Bible and Jesus both make it much more clear where they stand on people who are divorced/adulterers as clearly being unacceptable (without special circumstance). Yet none of the people turning away homosexuals are turning away people on their 3rd or 4th marriages? Hard to take seriously that it has anything to do with religion when they are only picking a particular group of people to single out using some tangential references yet ignore blatant doctrine condemning other groups. Just come out and say you don't wan't to serve gay people, don't hide behind the bible and claim Jesus wants you to not help the baby and her parents.
Yea I don't get the way some Christians do stuff like that. It is very un-Christ like behavior and he would be troubled by this kind of behavior from his followers.
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On February 20 2015 10:38 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 10:21 Danglars wrote:On February 20 2015 09:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:A Detroit-area pediatrician refused to treat a newborn baby girl because her parents are lesbians, according to local media reports that have highlighted a lack of legal protections for LGBT people in many states.
Krista and Jami Contreras brought their six-day-old baby girl to see Dr. Vesna Roi at Eastlake Pediatrics in Roseville, Michigan for her first checkup in October 2014. They were dismayed when a different pediatrician greeted told them Roi had “prayed about it” and decided she could not treat the baby for religious regions, the Detroit Free Press reported on Wednesday.
Roi was not immediately available for comment to Al Jazeera.
The women had searched for a pediatrician who would be open to treating the child of a married lesbian couple, and their midwife had recommended Roi as having “a more holistic approach,” Krista Contreras wrote in a Facebook post about the incident. After meeting with Roi, the Contrerases decided the doctor was a good fit, and they were instructed to schedule their baby’s first appointment once she was born.
Roi “was well aware that we were lesbian moms. We canceled meetings with other pediatricians because we were happy with her,” Krista wrote in the Facebook post. “Now our little girl was six days old, and we were in a room with a doctor we have never met, feeling pretty humiliated, distraught and hurt.”
She added, “The fact that [Roi] refused to see our innocent little girl is disturbing. But the fact that she did not have the decency to let us know ahead of time that she had a problem with the sexual orientation of her parents and would not be willing to take her as a patient really just pissed me off.”
While the incident happened in October 2014, the mothers told the Detroit Free Press that they decided to come forward with their story to highlight the plight of same-sex parents who experience discrimination.
Roi, who has been a pediatrician for nearly 20 years, told the Detroit Free Press that she couldn’t comment on the case, citing HIPPA, the federal law protecting the privacy of patients’ medical information. But she apologized to the women for refusing to treat their daughter in a letter printed by newspaper. Source Handwritten letter by pediatristIncludes, I am writing this letter of apology as I feel that it is important and necessary. I never meant to hurt either one of you. After much prayer following your prenatal, I felt that I would not be able to develop the personal patient doctor relationship that I normally do with my patients. I felt that was not fair to the two of you or to Bay. I felt that you deserved that type of relationship and I knew you could get that with Dr. Karam. [...]
Again, I am very sorry for the hurt and angry feelings that were created by this. I hope you can accept my apology. I wish you all the best.
Blessings,
Dr. Veina Roi Mark that letter well, it's the discriminatory statement of another religious bigot. I think this pediatrician will soon face a similar order to the Colorado bakers: Make them bake cake! I'm guessing this community isn't willing to carve a religious exemption for delivering babies conceived in a gay marriage (or however you write that), much as they might for doctors performing abortions, or pastors refusing to marry them. I think the irony is that she is obviously an intelligent woman. The question is what her prayer revealed. Not serving gay people is a peculiar point to stand your ground on. The Bible and Jesus both make it much more clear where they stand on people who are divorced/adulterers as clearly being unacceptable (without special circumstance). Yet none of the people turning away homosexuals are turning away people on their 3rd or 4th marriages? Hard to take seriously that it has anything to do with religion when they are only picking a particular group of people to single out using some tangential references yet ignore blatant doctrine condemning other groups.
Just come out and say you don't wan't to serve gay people, don't hide behind the bible and claim Jesus wants you to not help the baby and her parents.
She did say that in her letter.
On February 20 2015 11:02 farvacola wrote:
If it's a practice open to the public, she should not be able to deny services based on sexual orientation. It's that simple.
If it's the only clinic open for miles around, yes. But on a purely practical level why would these people want to deal with that doctor anyway? Presumably there are other doctors around? I don't know the details. The tragedy here is that someone intelligent enough to get an M.D. (although, truthfully, it's not that high of a bar) is such a crazy person.
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How I hope this issue closes the circle and this lesbian couple wanted the doctor to sign a medical exemption from the MMR vaccine.
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On February 20 2015 11:28 IgnE wrote:
If it's the only clinic open for miles around, yes. But on a purely practical level why would these people want to deal with that doctor anyway? Presumably there are other doctors around? I don't know the details. The tragedy here is that someone intelligent enough to get an M.D. (although, truthfully, it's not that high of a bar) is such a crazy person.
Why are practical considerations relevant? If every doctor would act like this we would be in a lot of trouble. Practically everything that is outlawed is irrelevant if only a small number of people do it. That's not what laws are based on. Denying people treatment based on their sexual orientation is just discrimination. Imagine the person would be black and the statement would be "yeah sorry, I can't really connect to you as a patient because I'm a Klan member". This is ridiculous.
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If every doctor acted like this the law would probably coincide with every doctor's opinion and allow discrimination based on sexual orientation.
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So you think discriminating against gay people is good as long as all people agree on it? Is that supposed to be an argument?
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Nah, he's extending your argument into its unreasonable conclusion, and in doing so, is suggesting that very few doctors act like the one described above. He's right, but that doesn't mean that the discriminating doctor's actions should be tolerated. Even if the law itself should have nothing to say, organizations like the AMA better get on it.
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I don't think discrimination of this kind is very uncommon to be honest, it just doesn't happen that often that someone would write a letter like this. I imagine in some more rural parts this may be part of a lot of people's everyday lives in one way or the other.
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Is this based on your extensive experience in rural American towns?
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No, but I'm pretty sure I'm not that far off if even the doctors think god is telling them not to treat homosexuals in their prayers
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I really don't understand how people still don't get it: Any form of discrimination will eventually be ironed out. Can't turn someone away for being black anymore and the same will be true of sexual orientation. Every single thing you can't do to a black person for being black will become the same for sexual orientation. There is zero chance of any form of sexual discrimination remaining within the next 10 years.
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On February 20 2015 10:57 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 10:34 hannahbelle wrote:On February 20 2015 10:26 Nyxisto wrote:
Yeah, refusing to treat a child because you're offended by their parents sexual orientation doesn't stop someone from being a bigot just because you write a nice letter. Is this even legal behaviour? Why isn't she allowed to refuse service? Sexual orientation is not and should not be a protected status. The doctor should have the right to determine whom she services. Going to a pediatric appointment is not the same is getting care at an emergency room. She's a pediatric and the child is her patient, not the parents, and I assume the child isn't homosexual. Secondly she's a doctor and people depend on medical services, if she would be selling donuts it would still be retarded but at least tolerable. Also she has probably sworn an oath at some point that included helping people regardless what their sexual orientation is.
Except even mundane businesses can't turn down gay people for some reason.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/17/denver-gay-wedding-cake-baker-_n_5596493.html
This seems like the kind of thing that the free market should be allowed to solve. Bigoted businesses will lose money. They're turning away customers, and pissing off a lot of the ones they aren't turning away. Do we really need a witch-hunt over this?
btw, the Hippocratic Oath isn't mandatory, and its not legally binding.
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the same way the free market established slavery. kek
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Equality rights should probably not be solved by the free market. Also I'm pretty sure that almost all business owners in the US profit from public funding in several ways. If the gay people support your business through taxes they should be allowed to buy stuff at your shop, or you can go open your shop in the middle of nowhere.
Do all these employers that don't want the government in their business on the grounds of freedom also stay off public roads and don't hire publicly educated employees?
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I remember when the KKK stopped lynching people because all the free market entrepreneurs got together and decided to stop selling them rope.
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