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Wolfstan
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada605 Posts
July 09 2014 14:51 GMT
#23181
On July 09 2014 20:52 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 09:34 Introvert wrote:
On July 09 2014 09:30 Wolfstan wrote:
On July 09 2014 09:20 Introvert wrote:
On July 09 2014 09:16 IgnE wrote:
On July 09 2014 09:14 Introvert wrote:
On July 09 2014 09:03 IgnE wrote:
We know a lot about her.


And nothing that indicates any violent/ terrorist tendencies. Unless I missed something here.

One is using her first amendment rights without any harm to anyone else, the other was a terrorist who killed people.

Yeah, I'm not seeing it.


You know less about the girl on the right and now she's a terrorist who killed people?


I was going off of what I read from Johnny. From the other stuff I read online, the best guesses are A) a terrorist who is still alive and active, or B) a terrorist who killed herself some years ago.

At any rate, unless you can show otherwise, it would seem safe to assume that the two are nothing alike. One picture is not enough.

Shamelessly stolen from Holly's twitter:


EDIT: link broken.

https://twitter.com/BenHowe/status/486513179057745921/photo/1

But see? That's a stupid way to judge someone. And, just as with the above photo, the pictures aren't even that similar.

Edit again: we may have each been referring to the opposite person?


I dunno, but i think both girls are fine.


If the girl on the right is NOT a terrorist, or something similar, then sure.

But the entire reason that the meme was posted in the first place was to make a comparison- a radical Islamic terrorist with this Holly Fisher. That was the implication. If the girl on the right is not such a person, then whoever made the meme was being an (even bigger) idiot, and we would all be idiots for not recognizing it.

the christian conservative introvert would not put up a resistance to the fascist wolfstan when the revolution comes.


The hilarity of this troll-bait post is that I've taken up the position against arbitrarily applying judgmental labels to people.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-09 14:56:29
July 09 2014 14:54 GMT
#23182
well i surely hope your post was troll baiting otherwise it's just...

i mean if you are not shocked by someone saying the islamofascist girl and the american one are both fine, then you probably sympathize with some society that is ordered around Blood and Iron and all that good stuff.

fascism is a real thing and not every fascist is a nazi. it's fine to analyze it.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24154 Posts
July 09 2014 16:25 GMT
#23183
On July 09 2014 20:39 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 11:44 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 09 2014 11:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Senior Republican senators are throwing their support behind House Speaker John Boehner's decision to sue President Barack Obama for allegedly failing to faithfully execute the law.

TPM put the question to numerous senators in the Capitol on Tuesday, and several of them suggested the House sue over the president's unilateral changes to Obamacare deadlines before and after the law's botched rollout.

"Sure, I think it's a good idea. He's violated law after law. How many times has he violated the Affordable Care Act?" Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said.

Asked for examples of Obama's overreach, McCain said, "The reversals of the Affordable Care Act in particular but a number of other measures that he's taken by executive fiat. He has abused his constitutional responsibilities."

Missouri Sen. Roy Blunt, No. 5 in GOP leadership, said he's "supportive of what Speaker Boehner is going to try to do in the House. There need to be quicker ways for members of Congress to intervene [once a president overreaches]."

Blunt told TPM there's a "very long list" of examples of Obama's overreach, "starting with all of the postponements, delays, rewriting of the Affordable Act Act. I don't think you have to look any further than that to find the first dozen or three-dozen of those kinds of overreaches." He also mentioned the president's new rules to combat climate change with pollution limits on coal-fired power plants.

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT), the second-longest serving sitting senator and former chairman of the Judiciary Committee, gave Boehner a thumbs-up but expressed reservations about the ability to achieve legal standing.

"It's an interesting principle. The standing is a very, very difficult thing for members of Congress. But he's come up with a unique way of getting standing. And look, there's something wrong with the president," Hatch said, echoing his colleagues' criticism about overreach. "So I'm open. All I can say is I'm open."

"Basically," he said, "having the House establish a right of action here is a unique, interesting way of approaching it. I'm not fully conversant with how they're going to do that. ... I think it's time the court allows standing in some cases. The president needs to live within the constraints as well and he's not doing it.

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), a former lawyer and rumored 2016 presidential contender, also praised Boehner's idea but said it may not bear fruit until Obama leaves office.

"At some point, something needs to happen," he said. "The president has continued to ignore the law, continued to unilaterally take upon himself unconstitutional powers, and someone needed to do something about it. So I agree that this needed to go to the courts. The irony is by the time some of this is resolved through the court system he may no longer be president."


Source


With stunt after stunt and more money ($3.3 million) for the rest of this years Benghazi committee, than on the entire years Veterans affairs committee ($3.0 million) it couldn't be clearer what republicans are about in the house.


Are you implying that Senate Democrats are any better?


Yes, even the Senate Republicans are better. The house is full of total nutbags, some on both sides, but predominately on one.
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JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
July 09 2014 17:50 GMT
#23184
Ex-New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin Gets 10 Years In Corruption Case

Former New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin was sentenced Wednesday to 10 years in prison for bribery, money laundering and other crimes.

He was of accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes and kickbacks. The indictment included 21 counts.

As NPR's Bill Chappell reported at the time, "Prosecutors also said such as free travel and played a role in funneling money and granite to Stone Age, a company run by his sons. The counts cover a large portion of Nagin's two terms as mayor from 2002-2010, a tenure that included the Hurricane Katrina disaster of 2005." ...

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But will the city be chocolate??

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 09 2014 18:28 GMT
#23185
Sarah Palin took to Fox News on Tuesday night to mock House Speaker John Boehner's planned lawsuit against the administration, saying the only way to deal with President Obama is through impeachment.

“You don’t bring a lawsuit to a gunfight, and there’s no place for lawyers on the front lines,” the former GOP vice presidential nominee said on Fox's “Hannity.” “I think it’s time for a little less talk, a lot more action. When we see even GOP lawmakers who are recognizing and proclaiming Obama’s violation of the constitution, and then ignoring that constitution and the power they have to impeach, it gets kind of frustrating for the American people.”

Echoing an op-ed she published this week on the Breitbart website, Palin said impeachment was the only device Congress could use to halt the actions of what she described as an “imperial President.”

“The one tool they have are articles of impeachment, let’s get going on that,” she said.

The former Alaska governor said legal experts have a list of 25 impeachable offenses and said the President’s main offenses are choosing not to enforce immigration laws, lying to the American people and fraud.

“A great awakening is due in this country and this is a message that will be sent to the president, that he is not an imperial president and lawlessness will not be accepted by the American people,” she said. “That’s not what he was elected to do, to create his own laws as he goes along.”


Source
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-09 18:34:01
July 09 2014 18:33 GMT
#23186
I'm quite pleased that she used the phrase "great awakening". One of her favorite parts of US history I'm sure
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aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
July 09 2014 18:41 GMT
#23187
If there wasn't grounds to impeach Bush, I very much doubt there are grounds to impeach Obama. Hell, not even the impeachment proceedings of Clinton worked in the end...
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22487 Posts
July 09 2014 18:54 GMT
#23188
Ofc there is no grounds. If there was they would have done it ages ago.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 09 2014 19:09 GMT
#23189
On July 10 2014 03:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Sarah Palin took to Fox News on Tuesday night to mock House Speaker John Boehner's planned lawsuit against the administration, saying the only way to deal with President Obama is through impeachment.

“You don’t bring a lawsuit to a gunfight, and there’s no place for lawyers on the front lines,” the former GOP vice presidential nominee said on Fox's “Hannity.” “I think it’s time for a little less talk, a lot more action. When we see even GOP lawmakers who are recognizing and proclaiming Obama’s violation of the constitution, and then ignoring that constitution and the power they have to impeach, it gets kind of frustrating for the American people.”

Echoing an op-ed she published this week on the Breitbart website, Palin said impeachment was the only device Congress could use to halt the actions of what she described as an “imperial President.”

“The one tool they have are articles of impeachment, let’s get going on that,” she said.

The former Alaska governor said legal experts have a list of 25 impeachable offenses and said the President’s main offenses are choosing not to enforce immigration laws, lying to the American people and fraud.

“A great awakening is due in this country and this is a message that will be sent to the president, that he is not an imperial president and lawlessness will not be accepted by the American people,” she said. “That’s not what he was elected to do, to create his own laws as he goes along.”


Source
When I heard Boehner threatening a suit, I also thought you should decide to either impeach or skip the ineffective measures for show entirely. He's not fooling anyone at this point in time.
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Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
July 09 2014 19:57 GMT
#23190
INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — The state of Indiana will not recognize the gay marriages conducted here during three days in June.

The governor’s chief counsel, Mark Ahearn, sent a memo to agency heads this week advising them that the Indiana ban on gay marriages is in full force pending an appeal.

The memo tells agencies to “execute their functions” as though the June 25 federal court order striking down the ban had not been issued.

The memo does make an exception for the marriage of Amy Sandler and Niki Quasny, in accordance with a ruling by the federal appeals court.

Source
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22487 Posts
July 09 2014 19:58 GMT
#23191
On July 10 2014 04:57 Jormundr wrote:
Show nested quote +
INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — The state of Indiana will not recognize the gay marriages conducted here during three days in June.

The governor’s chief counsel, Mark Ahearn, sent a memo to agency heads this week advising them that the Indiana ban on gay marriages is in full force pending an appeal.

The memo tells agencies to “execute their functions” as though the June 25 federal court order striking down the ban had not been issued.

The memo does make an exception for the marriage of Amy Sandler and Niki Quasny, in accordance with a ruling by the federal appeals court.

Source

Sigh...
Every time they try.
Every time they lose.
Can we punish them for wasting government money on these lawsuits yet?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
July 09 2014 20:07 GMT
#23192
On July 10 2014 04:09 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 03:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Sarah Palin took to Fox News on Tuesday night to mock House Speaker John Boehner's planned lawsuit against the administration, saying the only way to deal with President Obama is through impeachment.

“You don’t bring a lawsuit to a gunfight, and there’s no place for lawyers on the front lines,” the former GOP vice presidential nominee said on Fox's “Hannity.” “I think it’s time for a little less talk, a lot more action. When we see even GOP lawmakers who are recognizing and proclaiming Obama’s violation of the constitution, and then ignoring that constitution and the power they have to impeach, it gets kind of frustrating for the American people.”

Echoing an op-ed she published this week on the Breitbart website, Palin said impeachment was the only device Congress could use to halt the actions of what she described as an “imperial President.”

“The one tool they have are articles of impeachment, let’s get going on that,” she said.

The former Alaska governor said legal experts have a list of 25 impeachable offenses and said the President’s main offenses are choosing not to enforce immigration laws, lying to the American people and fraud.

“A great awakening is due in this country and this is a message that will be sent to the president, that he is not an imperial president and lawlessness will not be accepted by the American people,” she said. “That’s not what he was elected to do, to create his own laws as he goes along.”


Source
When I heard Boehner threatening a suit, I also thought you should decide to either impeach or skip the ineffective measures for show entirely. He's not fooling anyone at this point in time.

And the repeated attempts to repeal Obamacare are fooling people because....?
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 09 2014 20:56 GMT
#23193
Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg might be a hero of the left, but liberals are beginning to question whether it’s time for her to go.

Their rationale is that the court’s oldest member, who at 81 has battled colon and pancreatic cancer, should strongly consider announcing her retirement sooner rather than later to give President Obama a chance to nominate her successor while Democrats still control the Senate.

And with the election-year clock ticking, liberals say time is running out for Ginsburg to make a decision before it could become even more difficult for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to confirm a nominee who shares her legal values.
“There’s a real chance the Republicans are going to take the Senate,” said Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of the law school at the University of California, Irvine. “If the Republicans take the Senate, then the ability of President Obama to get a nominee confirmed for the court is going to be much more limited.

“When the Senate is the same political party as the president, the president virtually always gets who the president wants confirmed,” he added.


Source

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Utah is going directly to the nation's highest court to challenge a federal appeals court ruling that gay couples have a constitutional right to marry, the state attorney general's office announced Wednesday.

The state opted to appeal the decision to the U.S. Supreme Court rather than request a review from the entire 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver. That option is now off the table, no matter what the high court decides.

Utah Attorney General Sean Reyes' office said in a statement the appeal will be filed in the coming weeks, to get "clarity and resolution" from the highest court. "Attorney General Reyes has a sworn duty to defend the laws of our state," the statement said.

The Supreme Court is under no obligation to hear the appeal of the June 25 ruling by a three-judge 10th Circuit panel, said William Eskridge, a Yale University law professor. There also is no deadline to make a decision, he said.

The panel's June 25 ruling found states cannot deprive people of the fundamental right to marry simply because they choose partners of the same sex.

The 2-1 decision marked the first time a federal appeals court weighed in on the matter. It became law in the six states covered by the 10th Circuit: Colorado, Kansas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Utah and Wyoming.

However, the panel immediately put the ruling on hold pending an appeal.


Source
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screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-09 21:30:59
July 09 2014 21:30 GMT
#23194
Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg might be a hero of the left, but liberals are beginning to question whether it’s time for her to go.

Their rationale is that the court’s oldest member, who at 81 has battled colon and pancreatic cancer, should strongly consider announcing her retirement sooner rather than later to give President Obama a chance to nominate her successor while Democrats still control the Senate.

And with the election-year clock ticking, liberals say time is running out for Ginsburg to make a decision before it could become even more difficult for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to confirm a nominee who shares her legal values.
“There’s a real chance the Republicans are going to take the Senate,” said Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of the law school at the University of California, Irvine. “If the Republicans take the Senate, then the ability of President Obama to get a nominee confirmed for the court is going to be much more limited.

“When the Senate is the same political party as the president, the president virtually always gets who the president wants confirmed,” he added.


Quite the conundrum. Asking her to step down feels like sending Boxer to the glue factory, she's just been so solid. Not looking forward to her retirement that's for sure.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
July 09 2014 21:37 GMT
#23195
ginsburg is really a legend and an inspiration.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 09 2014 23:01 GMT
#23196
Breaking: Obama speaking now on border crisis.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
July 10 2014 00:46 GMT
#23197
On July 10 2014 01:25 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 20:39 jellyjello wrote:
On July 09 2014 11:44 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 09 2014 11:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Senior Republican senators are throwing their support behind House Speaker John Boehner's decision to sue President Barack Obama for allegedly failing to faithfully execute the law.

TPM put the question to numerous senators in the Capitol on Tuesday, and several of them suggested the House sue over the president's unilateral changes to Obamacare deadlines before and after the law's botched rollout.

"Sure, I think it's a good idea. He's violated law after law. How many times has he violated the Affordable Care Act?" Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said.

Asked for examples of Obama's overreach, McCain said, "The reversals of the Affordable Care Act in particular but a number of other measures that he's taken by executive fiat. He has abused his constitutional responsibilities."

Missouri Sen. Roy Blunt, No. 5 in GOP leadership, said he's "supportive of what Speaker Boehner is going to try to do in the House. There need to be quicker ways for members of Congress to intervene [once a president overreaches]."

Blunt told TPM there's a "very long list" of examples of Obama's overreach, "starting with all of the postponements, delays, rewriting of the Affordable Act Act. I don't think you have to look any further than that to find the first dozen or three-dozen of those kinds of overreaches." He also mentioned the president's new rules to combat climate change with pollution limits on coal-fired power plants.

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT), the second-longest serving sitting senator and former chairman of the Judiciary Committee, gave Boehner a thumbs-up but expressed reservations about the ability to achieve legal standing.

"It's an interesting principle. The standing is a very, very difficult thing for members of Congress. But he's come up with a unique way of getting standing. And look, there's something wrong with the president," Hatch said, echoing his colleagues' criticism about overreach. "So I'm open. All I can say is I'm open."

"Basically," he said, "having the House establish a right of action here is a unique, interesting way of approaching it. I'm not fully conversant with how they're going to do that. ... I think it's time the court allows standing in some cases. The president needs to live within the constraints as well and he's not doing it.

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), a former lawyer and rumored 2016 presidential contender, also praised Boehner's idea but said it may not bear fruit until Obama leaves office.

"At some point, something needs to happen," he said. "The president has continued to ignore the law, continued to unilaterally take upon himself unconstitutional powers, and someone needed to do something about it. So I agree that this needed to go to the courts. The irony is by the time some of this is resolved through the court system he may no longer be president."


Source


With stunt after stunt and more money ($3.3 million) for the rest of this years Benghazi committee, than on the entire years Veterans affairs committee ($3.0 million) it couldn't be clearer what republicans are about in the house.


Are you implying that Senate Democrats are any better?


Yes, even the Senate Republicans are better. The house is full of total nutbags, some on both sides, but predominately on one.


I rest my case.
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
July 10 2014 00:59 GMT
#23198
On July 10 2014 08:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Breaking: Obama speaking now on border crisis.


The speech clearly demonstrated how politically clueless Obama is.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44203 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-10 01:47:21
July 10 2014 01:40 GMT
#23199
How is Palin saying "you don't bring a lawsuit to a gunfight" not literally saying that the Obama problem is one to be solved by bullets, not lawyers. The expression "you don't bring a knife to a gunfight" suggests the proposed solution is a metaphorical knife and a metaphorical gun might be better. As the solution she is criticising is a literal lawsuit surely she proposes a literal gun?

Or is Palin just an idiot?
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 10 2014 02:00 GMT
#23200
That Palin is an idiot was established a long time ago.

Metaphorically; an impeachment proceeding would be a step up from a lawsuit.

As to the lawsuit itself; I say it's stupid; because it's all talk; if he wants to file a lawsuit, then FILE the lawsuit, don't talk about filing the lawsuit.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
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