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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 08 2014 09:57 GMT
#23141
That's a fundamental flaw found not just in US, but many systems around the world; the lack of a systematic plan for clearing out old and unnecessary or harmful rules.
It's well documented that laws and regulations tend to accumulate because there's not enough effort to clean them out.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-08 10:22:10
July 08 2014 10:11 GMT
#23142
not really seeing the big abuse here. the primary system is functionally reducing voter choice in the main elections, giving some small self selected voter group power instead. some voter want to use their influence earlier in the process.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 08 2014 14:40 GMT
#23143
On July 08 2014 18:45 Simberto wrote:
Your election system is weird.

I know it's hard to do something like that, but you might wanna consider at some point to throw out 200 years of random shit bogging down your systems.


It would take 50 years and get messed up, so we'd have a half-assed, only slightly less outdated set of laws.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23956 Posts
July 08 2014 16:42 GMT
#23144
On July 08 2014 18:57 zlefin wrote:
That's a fundamental flaw found not just in US, but many systems around the world; the lack of a systematic plan for clearing out old and unnecessary or harmful rules.
It's well documented that laws and regulations tend to accumulate because there's not enough effort to clean them out.



Yeah no kidding it took Alabama until 2001 to get rid of it's law banning interracial marriage. We definitely need some rule changes, problem is the only rule changes we have been getting are ones that prevent people from voting. Some people still cling to the lie that it has something to do with preventing fraud, but with multiple GOP/Tea Party groups offering cash rewards for evidence of such action we still haven't seen any, let alone enough to influence an election.

Rule changes for elections have everything to do with how they impact ones chances to win and almost nothing to do with improving the system. I don't see that getting remedied any time soon.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 08 2014 22:46 GMT
#23145
[image loading]

Can't the left see that just because the pose is the same, the pictures aren't analogous?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
tadL
Profile Joined September 2010
Croatia679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-08 22:55:53
July 08 2014 22:54 GMT
#23146
the left one is more scary because she is brainwashed to believe that her country stands for the good and is the land of the free. the right one has no reason to attack me, the left one will lie and attack my country based on faked "facts" if we would have oil. or america needs again to win a war and needs a weak opponent.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
July 08 2014 23:31 GMT
#23147
On July 09 2014 07:54 tadL wrote:
the left one is more scary because she is brainwashed to believe that her country stands for the good and is the land of the free. the right one has no reason to attack me, the left one will lie and attack my country based on faked "facts" if we would have oil. or america needs again to win a war and needs a weak opponent.

You don't need to fear the one on the right because she's already dead. She blew herself and others up in a suicide bombing.

The one of the left is just fucking around and isn't going to actually murder anyone.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 08 2014 23:31 GMT
#23148
On July 09 2014 08:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 07:54 tadL wrote:
the left one is more scary because she is brainwashed to believe that her country stands for the good and is the land of the free. the right one has no reason to attack me, the left one will lie and attack my country based on faked "facts" if we would have oil. or america needs again to win a war and needs a weak opponent.

You don't need to fear the one on the right because she's already dead. She blew herself and others up in a suicide bombing.

The one of the left is just fucking around and isn't going to actually murder anyone.


It's just her government that will do that.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
July 08 2014 23:35 GMT
#23149
Neither a state nor independent
How a territory falls between bankruptcy regimes

PUERTO RICO has put on a brave face during its year-long debt crisis. But on June 28th Alejandro García Padilla, the governor, made a belated concession to reality by signing a law establishing a de facto bankruptcy regime for state-owned enterprises. With the Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority (PREPA), a cash-strapped utility, teetering on the brink of default, the new system may face its first test soon.

Puerto Rico’s woes stem from a mix of structural weaknesses, external shocks and self-inflicted wounds. As an overseas American territory, it uses the dollar and the national minimum wage. That makes labour costly and exports uncompetitive. From 1976-2006 firms on the island were exempt from federal tax on their local profits. But once that carve-out expired, the economy fell into an eight-year recession. And after Detroit went bankrupt, investors fled risky municipal bonds, which raised Puerto Rico’s financing costs.

However, the government also bears its own share of the blame. It has spent too little on infrastructure and too much on pensions. And it has grossly mismanaged PREPA, which still generates 65% of its power using expensive fuel oil. Not only did the company cost the state $276m in 2013 but its high prices serve as a tax on most economic activity. Mr García Padilla has tried to compensate with austerity: on July 1st he signed a balanced budget that cut discretionary spending by 8%. But Puerto Rico’s public finances have regularly underperformed official forecasts.

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The government insists that it “cannot default”, because its constitution gives debt payments first priority. However, this only applies to its general-obligation and guaranteed bonds. The remaining public debt is backed by specific revenues like highway tolls or, in PREPA’s case, electric bills. And the $800m of bank credit lines PREPA uses to buy fuel come due in August. Unless it can renegotiate quickly, it will either default or turn out the lights.

No one knows what would happen then. Puerto Rican state agencies fall in a gap in America’s bankruptcy code: they are excluded from the regimes both for local governments and private firms. As a result, missed payments would probably set off a whirlwind of litigation. To forestall this risk, the government instituted a new insolvency system for its companies. It gives them nine months to negotiate a settlement acceptable to holders of 75% of their debt. If the parties cannot agree, local courts would impose a solution. Investors saw the law as evidence that PREPA was set to restructure its $8.6 billion of liabilities, and have dumped its bonds.

But PREPA’s two biggest creditors, the mutual-fund firms Franklin Templeton and OppenheimerFunds, have challenged the law, arguing that the constitution gives Congress exclusive control over bankruptcy. If they win, it might boost calls to change Puerto Rico’s status. As the 51st state, its state-owned firms would be covered by the federal bankruptcy code. As an independent country, it could set its own rules. Under the status quo it may be stuck with neither.


Source

Sucks to be Puerto Rico. If anyone's wondering I haven't heard any legitimate fears that this will cause meaningful harm stateside.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
July 08 2014 23:36 GMT
#23150
On July 09 2014 08:31 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 08:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On July 09 2014 07:54 tadL wrote:
the left one is more scary because she is brainwashed to believe that her country stands for the good and is the land of the free. the right one has no reason to attack me, the left one will lie and attack my country based on faked "facts" if we would have oil. or america needs again to win a war and needs a weak opponent.

You don't need to fear the one on the right because she's already dead. She blew herself and others up in a suicide bombing.

The one of the left is just fucking around and isn't going to actually murder anyone.


It's just her government that will do that.

Or the liberals sending her death threats.
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
July 08 2014 23:37 GMT
#23151
On July 09 2014 08:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 08:31 IgnE wrote:
On July 09 2014 08:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On July 09 2014 07:54 tadL wrote:
the left one is more scary because she is brainwashed to believe that her country stands for the good and is the land of the free. the right one has no reason to attack me, the left one will lie and attack my country based on faked "facts" if we would have oil. or america needs again to win a war and needs a weak opponent.

You don't need to fear the one on the right because she's already dead. She blew herself and others up in a suicide bombing.

The one of the left is just fucking around and isn't going to actually murder anyone.


It's just her government that will do that.

Or the liberals sending her death threats.

I'll take your liberal death threats and raise you one abortion clinic bombing!
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-08 23:56:51
July 08 2014 23:41 GMT
#23152
On July 09 2014 08:37 Jormundr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 08:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On July 09 2014 08:31 IgnE wrote:
On July 09 2014 08:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On July 09 2014 07:54 tadL wrote:
the left one is more scary because she is brainwashed to believe that her country stands for the good and is the land of the free. the right one has no reason to attack me, the left one will lie and attack my country based on faked "facts" if we would have oil. or america needs again to win a war and needs a weak opponent.

You don't need to fear the one on the right because she's already dead. She blew herself and others up in a suicide bombing.

The one of the left is just fucking around and isn't going to actually murder anyone.


It's just her government that will do that.

Or the liberals sending her death threats.

I'll take your liberal death threats and raise you one abortion clinic bombing!

I'll take your abortion clinic bombing a raise you a Soviet farm collectivization!

Edit: All in good fun

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Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
July 08 2014 23:47 GMT
#23153
Stop.
Moderator
Wolfstan
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada605 Posts
July 08 2014 23:52 GMT
#23154
Yeah quit being racist against the poor girl or her country. Judging people without knowing anything about her reeks of hypocrisy.
EG - ROOT - Gambit Gaming
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 09 2014 00:03 GMT
#23155
We know a lot about her.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Wolfstan
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada605 Posts
July 09 2014 00:09 GMT
#23156
Liking bibles guns and murica, seems like positive attributes to me.
EG - ROOT - Gambit Gaming
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
July 09 2014 00:14 GMT
#23157
On July 09 2014 07:54 tadL wrote:
the left one is more scary because she is brainwashed to believe that her country stands for the good and is the land of the free. the right one has no reason to attack me, the left one will lie and attack my country based on faked "facts" if we would have oil. or america needs again to win a war and needs a weak opponent.


No one else mentioned it, but before you make comments like that you should read the description below the picture. The girl is not even close to what you're describing, she added the bible and the flag to make a nice picture that encompasses the stereotypical all-American feeling.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4951 Posts
July 09 2014 00:14 GMT
#23158
On July 09 2014 09:03 IgnE wrote:
We know a lot about her.


And nothing that indicates any violent/ terrorist tendencies. Unless I missed something here.

One is using her first amendment rights without any harm to anyone else, the other was a terrorist who killed people.

Yeah, I'm not seeing it.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 09 2014 00:16 GMT
#23159
On July 09 2014 09:14 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 09:03 IgnE wrote:
We know a lot about her.


And nothing that indicates any violent/ terrorist tendencies. Unless I missed something here.

One is using her first amendment rights without any harm to anyone else, the other was a terrorist who killed people.

Yeah, I'm not seeing it.


You know less about the girl on the right and now she's a terrorist who killed people?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4951 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-09 00:28:20
July 09 2014 00:20 GMT
#23160
On July 09 2014 09:16 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 09:14 Introvert wrote:
On July 09 2014 09:03 IgnE wrote:
We know a lot about her.


And nothing that indicates any violent/ terrorist tendencies. Unless I missed something here.

One is using her first amendment rights without any harm to anyone else, the other was a terrorist who killed people.

Yeah, I'm not seeing it.


You know less about the girl on the right and now she's a terrorist who killed people?


I was going off of what I read from Johnny. From the other stuff I read online, the best guesses are A) a terrorist who is still alive and active, or B) a terrorist who killed herself some years ago.

At any rate, unless you can show otherwise, it would seem safe to assume that the two are nothing alike. One picture is not enough.

Shamelessly stolen from Holly's twitter:


EDIT: link broken.

https://twitter.com/BenHowe/status/486513179057745921/photo/1

But see? That's a stupid way to judge someone. And, just as with the above photo, the pictures aren't even that similar.

Edit again: we may have each been referring to the opposite person?
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
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