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She doesn't want to go down the road of implying that some laws are more worth enforcing than others. It would sent the wrong message to agents.
Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?
With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.
Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.
Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?
She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.
She clearly didn't want to answer the question and get turned into a sound bite on a bunch of media outlets. But the DEA represents the worst tendencies of bureaucracy. I really can't fathom how anyone at the DEA can take their job seriously.
none of those categories is exclusively mariujana though. what she would be implying is that the classification of it is faulty, which can't be argued against! much like an ill-timed boner during puberty it's confusing, embarassing and very frustrating.
She doesn't want to go down the road of implying that some laws are more worth enforcing than others. It would sent the wrong message to agents.
Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?
With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.
Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.
Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?
She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.
It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.
The DEA has the legal right to raid Pot stores even in states where its considered legal. More often then not its an easy gateway warrant for much worse crimes like harder drugs or money laundering.
Being able to go after pot whenever she can probably makes her job a ton easier then normal.
I would like to give some props to johnny and green cleaning up their posting with eachother and improving the thread remarkably with each other.
She doesn't want to go down the road of implying that some laws are more worth enforcing than others. It would sent the wrong message to agents.
Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?
With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.
Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.
Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?
She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.
It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.
Well she could of hedged while also acknowledging reality and just done a generally better job.
I personally have no problem with the DEA saying that we are wasting time and money enforcing cannabis laws. Because any reasonable person can see that we are.
If every agent/officer working on cannabis cases was re-tasked to prescription drugs and/or more 'dangerous drugs' cartels we could be saving lives and cracking down on serious criminals instead of trying to lock people up for growing cannabis.
Seriously...?
A brother and sister who were caught with 12 marijuana plants and eight seedlings inside their home have been jailed for a total of 30 years.
She doesn't want to go down the road of implying that some laws are more worth enforcing than others. It would sent the wrong message to agents.
Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?
With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.
Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.
Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?
She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.
It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.
Well she could of hedged while also acknowledging reality and just done a generally better job.
I personally have no problem with the DEA saying that we are wasting time and money enforcing cannabis laws. Because any reasonable person can see that we are.
If every agent working on cannabis cases was re-tasked to prescription drugs and/or non-domestic drug cartels we could be saving lives and cracking down on serious criminals instead of trying to lock people up for growing cannabis.
She doesn't want to go down the road of implying that some laws are more worth enforcing than others. It would sent the wrong message to agents.
Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?
With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.
Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.
Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?
She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.
It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.
Well she could of hedged while also acknowledging reality and just done a generally better job.
I personally have no problem with the DEA saying that we are wasting time and money enforcing cannabis laws. Because any reasonable person can see that we are.
If every agent working on cannabis cases was re-tasked to prescription drugs and/or non-domestic drug cartels we could be saving lives and cracking down on serious criminals instead of trying to lock people up for growing cannabis.
Seriously...?
A brother and sister who were caught with 12 marijuana plants and eight seedlings inside their home have been jailed for a total of 30 years.
To be fair it was being grown by communists which were much scarier and more dangerous back in the day before we burned them mostly out of south america.
Reagon was an actor as well idk why you'd expect him to be a huge intellectual. They all thought that smokeing was healthy back then as well but no one says that their parents were all retarded because of that. Rate him by his speeches and effects.
She doesn't want to go down the road of implying that some laws are more worth enforcing than others. It would sent the wrong message to agents.
Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?
With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.
Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.
Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?
She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.
It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.
Well she could of hedged while also acknowledging reality and just done a generally better job.
I personally have no problem with the DEA saying that we are wasting time and money enforcing cannabis laws. Because any reasonable person can see that we are.
If every agent working on cannabis cases was re-tasked to prescription drugs and/or non-domestic drug cartels we could be saving lives and cracking down on serious criminals instead of trying to lock people up for growing cannabis.
Seriously...?
A brother and sister who were caught with 12 marijuana plants and eight seedlings inside their home have been jailed for a total of 30 years.
On May 06 2014 13:07 Sermokala wrote: To be fair it was being grown by communists which were much scarier and more dangerous back in the day before we burned them mostly out of south america.
Reagon was an actor as well idk why you'd expect him to be a huge intellectual. They all thought that smokeing was healthy back then as well but no one says that their parents were all retarded because of that. Rate him by his speeches and effects.
Not sure what you're trying to say, but Reagan signing the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986 with such an obvious ignorance about drugs (among other things) is at the root of what many are talking about when they reference the sheer ignorance and willful disinformation displayed by opponents of sensible drug laws.
She doesn't want to go down the road of implying that some laws are more worth enforcing than others. It would sent the wrong message to agents.
Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?
With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.
Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.
Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?
She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.
It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.
Well she could of hedged while also acknowledging reality and just done a generally better job.
I personally have no problem with the DEA saying that we are wasting time and money enforcing cannabis laws. Because any reasonable person can see that we are.
If every agent working on cannabis cases was re-tasked to prescription drugs and/or non-domestic drug cartels we could be saving lives and cracking down on serious criminals instead of trying to lock people up for growing cannabis.
Seriously...?
A brother and sister who were caught with 12 marijuana plants and eight seedlings inside their home have been jailed for a total of 30 years.
What do you mean Jonny? Reagan did a lot to hurt sensible drug law reform while being incredibly ignorant about 'drugs' and that clip demonstrates his ignorance.
She doesn't want to go down the road of implying that some laws are more worth enforcing than others. It would sent the wrong message to agents.
Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?
With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.
Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.
Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?
She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.
It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.
Well she could of hedged while also acknowledging reality and just done a generally better job.
I personally have no problem with the DEA saying that we are wasting time and money enforcing cannabis laws. Because any reasonable person can see that we are.
If every agent working on cannabis cases was re-tasked to prescription drugs and/or non-domestic drug cartels we could be saving lives and cracking down on serious criminals instead of trying to lock people up for growing cannabis.
Seriously...?
A brother and sister who were caught with 12 marijuana plants and eight seedlings inside their home have been jailed for a total of 30 years.
What do you mean Jonny? Reagan did a lot to hurt sensible drug law reform while being incredibly ignorant about 'drugs' and that clip demonstrates his ignorance.
A seven second video is meaningless. You did not allow for context or an argument to develop. You didn't bother to refute the argument either, but that's because there wasn't anything there for you to refute. All you did was post a sound bite as an opportunity to trollolololol at political opponents.
Those sort of posts bait emotional responses and devalue this thread and the issues discussed here. Please stop making them.
Somehow, a 7 second clip makes me think you are more interested in cool sound bites than discussing whatever "sensible drug laws" means. Who's into "sheer ignorance and willful disinformation," really?
She doesn't want to go down the road of implying that some laws are more worth enforcing than others. It would sent the wrong message to agents.
Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?
With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.
Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.
Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?
She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.
It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.
Well she could of hedged while also acknowledging reality and just done a generally better job.
I personally have no problem with the DEA saying that we are wasting time and money enforcing cannabis laws. Because any reasonable person can see that we are.
If every agent working on cannabis cases was re-tasked to prescription drugs and/or non-domestic drug cartels we could be saving lives and cracking down on serious criminals instead of trying to lock people up for growing cannabis.
Seriously...?
A brother and sister who were caught with 12 marijuana plants and eight seedlings inside their home have been jailed for a total of 30 years.
What do you mean Jonny? Reagan did a lot to hurt sensible drug law reform while being incredibly ignorant about 'drugs' and that clip demonstrates his ignorance.
A seven second video is meaningless. You did not allow for context or an argument to develop. You didn't bother to refute the argument either, but that's because there wasn't anything there for you to refute. All you did was post a sound bite as an opportunity to trollolololol at political opponents.
Those sort of posts bait emotional responses and devalue this thread and the issues discussed here. Please stop making them.
A seven second video is meaningless.
That couldn't be more wrong. It's meaning is pretty obvious especially with the text I added.
You didn't bother to refute the argument either, but that's because there wasn't anything there for you to refute.
Is there really any need to go over the literature to know that the statement he made was absurd in any context? Or that it was reflective of a larger policy platform that was based in extremely ignorant understandings of Americas drug problem?
Because if that's what your asking for I would need to know someone who was convinced of the idea that cannabis is in any reasonable way potentially the most dangerous drug in America then or at any time in our history. (Besides Reagan)
On May 06 2014 11:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote: [quote] She doesn't want to go down the road of implying that some laws are more worth enforcing than others. It would sent the wrong message to agents.
Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?
With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.
Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.
Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?
She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.
It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.
Well she could of hedged while also acknowledging reality and just done a generally better job.
I personally have no problem with the DEA saying that we are wasting time and money enforcing cannabis laws. Because any reasonable person can see that we are.
If every agent working on cannabis cases was re-tasked to prescription drugs and/or non-domestic drug cartels we could be saving lives and cracking down on serious criminals instead of trying to lock people up for growing cannabis.
Seriously...?
A brother and sister who were caught with 12 marijuana plants and eight seedlings inside their home have been jailed for a total of 30 years.
What do you mean Jonny? Reagan did a lot to hurt sensible drug law reform while being incredibly ignorant about 'drugs' and that clip demonstrates his ignorance.
A seven second video is meaningless. You did not allow for context or an argument to develop. You didn't bother to refute the argument either, but that's because there wasn't anything there for you to refute. All you did was post a sound bite as an opportunity to trollolololol at political opponents.
Those sort of posts bait emotional responses and devalue this thread and the issues discussed here. Please stop making them.
You didn't bother to refute the argument either, but that's because there wasn't anything there for you to refute.
Is there really any need to go over the literature to know that the statement he made was absurd in any context? Or that it was reflective of a larger policy platform that was based in extremely ignorant understandings of Americas drug problem?
Because if that's what your asking for I would need to know someone who was convinced of the idea that cannabis is in any reasonable way potentially the most dangerous drug in America then or at any time in our history. (Besides Reagan)
You're seriously defending a 7 second clip titled "why Reagan was retarded" as an honest post?
Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?
With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.
Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.
Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?
She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.
It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.
Well she could of hedged while also acknowledging reality and just done a generally better job.
I personally have no problem with the DEA saying that we are wasting time and money enforcing cannabis laws. Because any reasonable person can see that we are.
If every agent working on cannabis cases was re-tasked to prescription drugs and/or non-domestic drug cartels we could be saving lives and cracking down on serious criminals instead of trying to lock people up for growing cannabis.
Seriously...?
A brother and sister who were caught with 12 marijuana plants and eight seedlings inside their home have been jailed for a total of 30 years.
What do you mean Jonny? Reagan did a lot to hurt sensible drug law reform while being incredibly ignorant about 'drugs' and that clip demonstrates his ignorance.
A seven second video is meaningless. You did not allow for context or an argument to develop. You didn't bother to refute the argument either, but that's because there wasn't anything there for you to refute. All you did was post a sound bite as an opportunity to trollolololol at political opponents.
Those sort of posts bait emotional responses and devalue this thread and the issues discussed here. Please stop making them.
A seven second video is meaningless.
That couldn't be more wrong. It's meaning is pretty obvious especially with the text I added.
You didn't bother to refute the argument either, but that's because there wasn't anything there for you to refute.
Is there really any need to go over the literature to know that the statement he made was absurd in any context? Or that it was reflective of a larger policy platform that was based in extremely ignorant understandings of Americas drug problem?
Because if that's what your asking for I would need to know someone who was convinced of the idea that cannabis is in any reasonable way potentially the most dangerous drug in America then or at any time in our history. (Besides Reagan)
You're seriously defending a 7 second clip titled "why Reagan was retarded" as an honest post?
Well I disagree with the title for several reasons and I would of titled it differently. I can take out the clip and insert the text version instead if it's that bothersome for you to see.
That's a different book than the first one I cited. Source
Let's just get to the root.
Are you suggesting that Reagan's thoughts and drug policies particularly around cannabis were either well-informed (accurate), or that his efforts didn't slow progress on reasonable drug policy?
On May 06 2014 12:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote: [quote] It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.
Well she could of hedged while also acknowledging reality and just done a generally better job.
I personally have no problem with the DEA saying that we are wasting time and money enforcing cannabis laws. Because any reasonable person can see that we are.
If every agent working on cannabis cases was re-tasked to prescription drugs and/or non-domestic drug cartels we could be saving lives and cracking down on serious criminals instead of trying to lock people up for growing cannabis.
Seriously...?
A brother and sister who were caught with 12 marijuana plants and eight seedlings inside their home have been jailed for a total of 30 years.
What do you mean Jonny? Reagan did a lot to hurt sensible drug law reform while being incredibly ignorant about 'drugs' and that clip demonstrates his ignorance.
A seven second video is meaningless. You did not allow for context or an argument to develop. You didn't bother to refute the argument either, but that's because there wasn't anything there for you to refute. All you did was post a sound bite as an opportunity to trollolololol at political opponents.
Those sort of posts bait emotional responses and devalue this thread and the issues discussed here. Please stop making them.
A seven second video is meaningless.
That couldn't be more wrong. It's meaning is pretty obvious especially with the text I added.
You didn't bother to refute the argument either, but that's because there wasn't anything there for you to refute.
Is there really any need to go over the literature to know that the statement he made was absurd in any context? Or that it was reflective of a larger policy platform that was based in extremely ignorant understandings of Americas drug problem?
Because if that's what your asking for I would need to know someone who was convinced of the idea that cannabis is in any reasonable way potentially the most dangerous drug in America then or at any time in our history. (Besides Reagan)
You're seriously defending a 7 second clip titled "why Reagan was retarded" as an honest post?
Well I disagree with the title for several reasons and I would of titled it differently. I can take out the clip and insert the text version instead if it's that bothersome for you to see.
That's a different book than the first one I cited. Source
Let's just get to the root.
Are you suggesting that Reagan's thoughts and drug policies particularly around cannabis were either well-informed (accurate), or that his efforts didn't slow progress on reasonable drug policy?
If not I don't see a need to continue.
Stop with the political pot shots. It doesn't help your argument, it just makes you look like an ass.
As for drug legalization and policy, it has been a proxy tool for law enforcement for decades. Keeping it illegal allows for law enforcement to go after people that skirt the law in a major way. It is a useful tool in attacking organized crime, plain and simple. All the rhetoric around it (except for the "save the kids" crap) aligns with this.
Personally, I think the tool doesn't work as well as it should, and it has been used to great detriment against much of the population. It has been abused by law enforcement on all levels to serve individual racial prejudices, as well as prosecuting innocent people for only seeming guilty of a crime.
EPT
