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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24129 Posts
May 06 2014 03:12 GMT
#20761
On May 06 2014 11:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 11:40 nunez wrote:
how so?

She doesn't want to go down the road of implying that some laws are more worth enforcing than others. It would sent the wrong message to agents.


Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?

With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.

Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.

Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?

She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
May 06 2014 03:20 GMT
#20762
She clearly didn't want to answer the question and get turned into a sound bite on a bunch of media outlets. But the DEA represents the worst tendencies of bureaucracy. I really can't fathom how anyone at the DEA can take their job seriously.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
May 06 2014 03:24 GMT
#20763
none of those categories is exclusively mariujana though. what she would be implying is that the classification of it is faulty, which can't be argued against! much like an ill-timed boner during puberty it's confusing, embarassing and very frustrating.

i agree, she is probably pushing her agenda.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-06 03:34:33
May 06 2014 03:31 GMT
#20764
On May 06 2014 12:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 11:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 11:40 nunez wrote:
how so?

She doesn't want to go down the road of implying that some laws are more worth enforcing than others. It would sent the wrong message to agents.


Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?

With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.

Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.

Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?

She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.

It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
May 06 2014 03:40 GMT
#20765
good entertainment then.
that was quite the cringer.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14155 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-06 03:43:00
May 06 2014 03:40 GMT
#20766
The DEA has the legal right to raid Pot stores even in states where its considered legal. More often then not its an easy gateway warrant for much worse crimes like harder drugs or money laundering.

Being able to go after pot whenever she can probably makes her job a ton easier then normal.

I would like to give some props to johnny and green cleaning up their posting with eachother and improving the thread remarkably with each other.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24129 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-06 04:00:07
May 06 2014 03:50 GMT
#20767
On May 06 2014 12:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 12:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 11:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 11:40 nunez wrote:
how so?

She doesn't want to go down the road of implying that some laws are more worth enforcing than others. It would sent the wrong message to agents.


Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?

With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.

Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.

Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?

She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.

It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.


Well she could of hedged while also acknowledging reality and just done a generally better job.

I personally have no problem with the DEA saying that we are wasting time and money enforcing cannabis laws. Because any reasonable person can see that we are.

If every agent/officer working on cannabis cases was re-tasked to prescription drugs and/or more 'dangerous drugs' cartels we could be saving lives and cracking down on serious criminals instead of trying to lock people up for growing cannabis.

Seriously...?

A brother and sister who were caught with 12 marijuana plants and eight seedlings inside their home have been jailed for a total of 30 years.


Source
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
May 06 2014 03:59 GMT
#20768
On May 06 2014 12:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 12:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 11:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 11:40 nunez wrote:
how so?

She doesn't want to go down the road of implying that some laws are more worth enforcing than others. It would sent the wrong message to agents.


Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?

With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.

Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.

Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?

She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.

It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.


Well she could of hedged while also acknowledging reality and just done a generally better job.

I personally have no problem with the DEA saying that we are wasting time and money enforcing cannabis laws. Because any reasonable person can see that we are.

If every agent working on cannabis cases was re-tasked to prescription drugs and/or non-domestic drug cartels we could be saving lives and cracking down on serious criminals instead of trying to lock people up for growing cannabis.

Seriously...?

Show nested quote +
A brother and sister who were caught with 12 marijuana plants and eight seedlings inside their home have been jailed for a total of 30 years.


Source

I wouldn't be too harsh on her off of a 5 min video.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24129 Posts
May 06 2014 04:05 GMT
#20769
On May 06 2014 12:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 12:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 11:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 11:40 nunez wrote:
how so?

She doesn't want to go down the road of implying that some laws are more worth enforcing than others. It would sent the wrong message to agents.


Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?

With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.

Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.

Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?

She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.

It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.


Well she could of hedged while also acknowledging reality and just done a generally better job.

I personally have no problem with the DEA saying that we are wasting time and money enforcing cannabis laws. Because any reasonable person can see that we are.

If every agent working on cannabis cases was re-tasked to prescription drugs and/or non-domestic drug cartels we could be saving lives and cracking down on serious criminals instead of trying to lock people up for growing cannabis.

Seriously...?

A brother and sister who were caught with 12 marijuana plants and eight seedlings inside their home have been jailed for a total of 30 years.


Source

I wouldn't be too harsh on her off of a 5 min video.


5 Minutes is a long time to show ones ignorance. Look what Reagan could do in just 6 seconds or so.



Reagan and conservative parent groups did a lot to undermine reasonable drug law reform...

Source
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14155 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-06 04:09:17
May 06 2014 04:07 GMT
#20770
To be fair it was being grown by communists which were much scarier and more dangerous back in the day before we burned them mostly out of south america.

Reagon was an actor as well idk why you'd expect him to be a huge intellectual. They all thought that smokeing was healthy back then as well but no one says that their parents were all retarded because of that. Rate him by his speeches and effects.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
May 06 2014 04:14 GMT
#20771
On May 06 2014 13:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 12:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 11:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 11:40 nunez wrote:
how so?

She doesn't want to go down the road of implying that some laws are more worth enforcing than others. It would sent the wrong message to agents.


Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?

With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.

Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.

Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?

She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.

It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.


Well she could of hedged while also acknowledging reality and just done a generally better job.

I personally have no problem with the DEA saying that we are wasting time and money enforcing cannabis laws. Because any reasonable person can see that we are.

If every agent working on cannabis cases was re-tasked to prescription drugs and/or non-domestic drug cartels we could be saving lives and cracking down on serious criminals instead of trying to lock people up for growing cannabis.

Seriously...?

A brother and sister who were caught with 12 marijuana plants and eight seedlings inside their home have been jailed for a total of 30 years.


Source

I wouldn't be too harsh on her off of a 5 min video.


5 Minutes is a long time to show ones ignorance. Look what Reagan could do in just 6 seconds or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcY2pMM9Gjc

Reagan and conservative parent groups did a lot to undermine reasonable drug law reform...

Source

Stay classy GH.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24129 Posts
May 06 2014 04:15 GMT
#20772
On May 06 2014 13:07 Sermokala wrote:
To be fair it was being grown by communists which were much scarier and more dangerous back in the day before we burned them mostly out of south america.

Reagon was an actor as well idk why you'd expect him to be a huge intellectual. They all thought that smokeing was healthy back then as well but no one says that their parents were all retarded because of that. Rate him by his speeches and effects.



Not sure what you're trying to say, but Reagan signing the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986 with such an obvious ignorance about drugs (among other things) is at the root of what many are talking about when they reference the sheer ignorance and willful disinformation displayed by opponents of sensible drug laws.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24129 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-06 04:21:40
May 06 2014 04:16 GMT
#20773
On May 06 2014 13:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 13:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 11:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 11:40 nunez wrote:
how so?

She doesn't want to go down the road of implying that some laws are more worth enforcing than others. It would sent the wrong message to agents.


Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?

With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.

Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.

Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?

She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.

It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.


Well she could of hedged while also acknowledging reality and just done a generally better job.

I personally have no problem with the DEA saying that we are wasting time and money enforcing cannabis laws. Because any reasonable person can see that we are.

If every agent working on cannabis cases was re-tasked to prescription drugs and/or non-domestic drug cartels we could be saving lives and cracking down on serious criminals instead of trying to lock people up for growing cannabis.

Seriously...?

A brother and sister who were caught with 12 marijuana plants and eight seedlings inside their home have been jailed for a total of 30 years.


Source

I wouldn't be too harsh on her off of a 5 min video.


5 Minutes is a long time to show ones ignorance. Look what Reagan could do in just 6 seconds or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcY2pMM9Gjc

Reagan and conservative parent groups did a lot to undermine reasonable drug law reform...

Source

Stay classy GH.



What do you mean Jonny? Reagan did a lot to hurt sensible drug law reform while being incredibly ignorant about 'drugs' and that clip demonstrates his ignorance.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
May 06 2014 04:31 GMT
#20774
On May 06 2014 13:16 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 13:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 13:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 11:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 11:40 nunez wrote:
how so?

She doesn't want to go down the road of implying that some laws are more worth enforcing than others. It would sent the wrong message to agents.


Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?

With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.

Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.

Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?

She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.

It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.


Well she could of hedged while also acknowledging reality and just done a generally better job.

I personally have no problem with the DEA saying that we are wasting time and money enforcing cannabis laws. Because any reasonable person can see that we are.

If every agent working on cannabis cases was re-tasked to prescription drugs and/or non-domestic drug cartels we could be saving lives and cracking down on serious criminals instead of trying to lock people up for growing cannabis.

Seriously...?

A brother and sister who were caught with 12 marijuana plants and eight seedlings inside their home have been jailed for a total of 30 years.


Source

I wouldn't be too harsh on her off of a 5 min video.


5 Minutes is a long time to show ones ignorance. Look what Reagan could do in just 6 seconds or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcY2pMM9Gjc

Reagan and conservative parent groups did a lot to undermine reasonable drug law reform...

Source

Stay classy GH.

What do you mean Jonny? Reagan did a lot to hurt sensible drug law reform while being incredibly ignorant about 'drugs' and that clip demonstrates his ignorance.

A seven second video is meaningless. You did not allow for context or an argument to develop. You didn't bother to refute the argument either, but that's because there wasn't anything there for you to refute. All you did was post a sound bite as an opportunity to trollolololol at political opponents.

Those sort of posts bait emotional responses and devalue this thread and the issues discussed here. Please stop making them.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
May 06 2014 04:51 GMT
#20775
Is there a possible argument there? Do you know something about Reagan and marijuana that we don't?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 06 2014 05:00 GMT
#20776
Somehow, a 7 second clip makes me think you are more interested in cool sound bites than discussing whatever "sensible drug laws" means. Who's into "sheer ignorance and willful disinformation," really?
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24129 Posts
May 06 2014 05:28 GMT
#20777
On May 06 2014 13:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 13:16 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 13:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 13:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 11:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 11:40 nunez wrote:
how so?

She doesn't want to go down the road of implying that some laws are more worth enforcing than others. It would sent the wrong message to agents.


Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?

With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.

Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.

Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?

She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.

It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.


Well she could of hedged while also acknowledging reality and just done a generally better job.

I personally have no problem with the DEA saying that we are wasting time and money enforcing cannabis laws. Because any reasonable person can see that we are.

If every agent working on cannabis cases was re-tasked to prescription drugs and/or non-domestic drug cartels we could be saving lives and cracking down on serious criminals instead of trying to lock people up for growing cannabis.

Seriously...?

A brother and sister who were caught with 12 marijuana plants and eight seedlings inside their home have been jailed for a total of 30 years.


Source

I wouldn't be too harsh on her off of a 5 min video.


5 Minutes is a long time to show ones ignorance. Look what Reagan could do in just 6 seconds or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcY2pMM9Gjc

Reagan and conservative parent groups did a lot to undermine reasonable drug law reform...

Source

Stay classy GH.

What do you mean Jonny? Reagan did a lot to hurt sensible drug law reform while being incredibly ignorant about 'drugs' and that clip demonstrates his ignorance.

A seven second video is meaningless. You did not allow for context or an argument to develop. You didn't bother to refute the argument either, but that's because there wasn't anything there for you to refute. All you did was post a sound bite as an opportunity to trollolololol at political opponents.

Those sort of posts bait emotional responses and devalue this thread and the issues discussed here. Please stop making them.


A seven second video is meaningless.


That couldn't be more wrong. It's meaning is pretty obvious especially with the text I added.

You didn't bother to refute the argument either, but that's because there wasn't anything there for you to refute.


Is there really any need to go over the literature to know that the statement he made was absurd in any context? Or that it was reflective of a larger policy platform that was based in extremely ignorant understandings of Americas drug problem?

Because if that's what your asking for I would need to know someone who was convinced of the idea that cannabis is in any reasonable way potentially the most dangerous drug in America then or at any time in our history. (Besides Reagan)

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
May 06 2014 05:36 GMT
#20778
On May 06 2014 14:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
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On May 06 2014 13:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 13:16 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 13:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 13:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 11:43 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
[quote]
She doesn't want to go down the road of implying that some laws are more worth enforcing than others. It would sent the wrong message to agents.


Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?

With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.

Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.

Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?

She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.

It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.


Well she could of hedged while also acknowledging reality and just done a generally better job.

I personally have no problem with the DEA saying that we are wasting time and money enforcing cannabis laws. Because any reasonable person can see that we are.

If every agent working on cannabis cases was re-tasked to prescription drugs and/or non-domestic drug cartels we could be saving lives and cracking down on serious criminals instead of trying to lock people up for growing cannabis.

Seriously...?

A brother and sister who were caught with 12 marijuana plants and eight seedlings inside their home have been jailed for a total of 30 years.


Source

I wouldn't be too harsh on her off of a 5 min video.


5 Minutes is a long time to show ones ignorance. Look what Reagan could do in just 6 seconds or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcY2pMM9Gjc

Reagan and conservative parent groups did a lot to undermine reasonable drug law reform...

Source

Stay classy GH.

What do you mean Jonny? Reagan did a lot to hurt sensible drug law reform while being incredibly ignorant about 'drugs' and that clip demonstrates his ignorance.

A seven second video is meaningless. You did not allow for context or an argument to develop. You didn't bother to refute the argument either, but that's because there wasn't anything there for you to refute. All you did was post a sound bite as an opportunity to trollolololol at political opponents.

Those sort of posts bait emotional responses and devalue this thread and the issues discussed here. Please stop making them.


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A seven second video is meaningless.


That couldn't be more wrong. It's meaning is pretty obvious especially with the text I added.

Show nested quote +
You didn't bother to refute the argument either, but that's because there wasn't anything there for you to refute.


Is there really any need to go over the literature to know that the statement he made was absurd in any context? Or that it was reflective of a larger policy platform that was based in extremely ignorant understandings of Americas drug problem?

Because if that's what your asking for I would need to know someone who was convinced of the idea that cannabis is in any reasonable way potentially the most dangerous drug in America then or at any time in our history. (Besides Reagan)

You're seriously defending a 7 second clip titled "why Reagan was retarded" as an honest post?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24129 Posts
May 06 2014 06:01 GMT
#20779
On May 06 2014 14:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 14:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 13:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 13:16 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 13:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 13:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
[quote]

Don't most people agree that enforcing other drug laws are 'more worth' it than enforcing cannabis laws?

With limited resources cannabis laws seem like they are among the least worth enforcing.

Really congress and administrations should of acted years ago to change our drug laws in the first place, but the scientifically illiterate lobby in coordination with politicians from both sides of the aisle has had a choke-hold on cannabis laws for decades.

Wow I didn't watch the video... That is definitely cringe-worthy... That's really the top cop on drugs for the DEA and she is complaining...?

She seems woefully inept when it comes to talking about drugs for the head of the DEA.

It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.


Well she could of hedged while also acknowledging reality and just done a generally better job.

I personally have no problem with the DEA saying that we are wasting time and money enforcing cannabis laws. Because any reasonable person can see that we are.

If every agent working on cannabis cases was re-tasked to prescription drugs and/or non-domestic drug cartels we could be saving lives and cracking down on serious criminals instead of trying to lock people up for growing cannabis.

Seriously...?

A brother and sister who were caught with 12 marijuana plants and eight seedlings inside their home have been jailed for a total of 30 years.


Source

I wouldn't be too harsh on her off of a 5 min video.


5 Minutes is a long time to show ones ignorance. Look what Reagan could do in just 6 seconds or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcY2pMM9Gjc

Reagan and conservative parent groups did a lot to undermine reasonable drug law reform...

Source

Stay classy GH.

What do you mean Jonny? Reagan did a lot to hurt sensible drug law reform while being incredibly ignorant about 'drugs' and that clip demonstrates his ignorance.

A seven second video is meaningless. You did not allow for context or an argument to develop. You didn't bother to refute the argument either, but that's because there wasn't anything there for you to refute. All you did was post a sound bite as an opportunity to trollolololol at political opponents.

Those sort of posts bait emotional responses and devalue this thread and the issues discussed here. Please stop making them.


A seven second video is meaningless.


That couldn't be more wrong. It's meaning is pretty obvious especially with the text I added.

You didn't bother to refute the argument either, but that's because there wasn't anything there for you to refute.


Is there really any need to go over the literature to know that the statement he made was absurd in any context? Or that it was reflective of a larger policy platform that was based in extremely ignorant understandings of Americas drug problem?

Because if that's what your asking for I would need to know someone who was convinced of the idea that cannabis is in any reasonable way potentially the most dangerous drug in America then or at any time in our history. (Besides Reagan)

You're seriously defending a 7 second clip titled "why Reagan was retarded" as an honest post?


Well I disagree with the title for several reasons and I would of titled it differently. I can take out the clip and insert the text version instead if it's that bothersome for you to see.

That's a different book than the first one I cited.
Source


Let's just get to the root.

Are you suggesting that Reagan's thoughts and drug policies particularly around cannabis were either well-informed (accurate), or that his efforts didn't slow progress on reasonable drug policy?

If not I don't see a need to continue.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
May 06 2014 13:21 GMT
#20780
On May 06 2014 15:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 14:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 14:28 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 13:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 13:16 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 13:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 13:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 06 2014 12:31 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
[quote]
It's the DEA's job to enforce laws, not make them or decide which are more important and she probably didn't want to get sucked into that discussion. If you watch a Fed chairperson testify before congress (edit: I've watched parts of many of them) they'll always hedge their answers while congresspeople constantly try to get their legislative agenda sanctified. It's political theater more than anything.


Well she could of hedged while also acknowledging reality and just done a generally better job.

I personally have no problem with the DEA saying that we are wasting time and money enforcing cannabis laws. Because any reasonable person can see that we are.

If every agent working on cannabis cases was re-tasked to prescription drugs and/or non-domestic drug cartels we could be saving lives and cracking down on serious criminals instead of trying to lock people up for growing cannabis.

Seriously...?

A brother and sister who were caught with 12 marijuana plants and eight seedlings inside their home have been jailed for a total of 30 years.


Source

I wouldn't be too harsh on her off of a 5 min video.


5 Minutes is a long time to show ones ignorance. Look what Reagan could do in just 6 seconds or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcY2pMM9Gjc

Reagan and conservative parent groups did a lot to undermine reasonable drug law reform...

Source

Stay classy GH.

What do you mean Jonny? Reagan did a lot to hurt sensible drug law reform while being incredibly ignorant about 'drugs' and that clip demonstrates his ignorance.

A seven second video is meaningless. You did not allow for context or an argument to develop. You didn't bother to refute the argument either, but that's because there wasn't anything there for you to refute. All you did was post a sound bite as an opportunity to trollolololol at political opponents.

Those sort of posts bait emotional responses and devalue this thread and the issues discussed here. Please stop making them.


A seven second video is meaningless.


That couldn't be more wrong. It's meaning is pretty obvious especially with the text I added.

You didn't bother to refute the argument either, but that's because there wasn't anything there for you to refute.


Is there really any need to go over the literature to know that the statement he made was absurd in any context? Or that it was reflective of a larger policy platform that was based in extremely ignorant understandings of Americas drug problem?

Because if that's what your asking for I would need to know someone who was convinced of the idea that cannabis is in any reasonable way potentially the most dangerous drug in America then or at any time in our history. (Besides Reagan)

You're seriously defending a 7 second clip titled "why Reagan was retarded" as an honest post?


Well I disagree with the title for several reasons and I would of titled it differently. I can take out the clip and insert the text version instead if it's that bothersome for you to see.

That's a different book than the first one I cited.
Source


Let's just get to the root.

Are you suggesting that Reagan's thoughts and drug policies particularly around cannabis were either well-informed (accurate), or that his efforts didn't slow progress on reasonable drug policy?

If not I don't see a need to continue.

Stop with the political pot shots. It doesn't help your argument, it just makes you look like an ass.

As for drug legalization and policy, it has been a proxy tool for law enforcement for decades. Keeping it illegal allows for law enforcement to go after people that skirt the law in a major way. It is a useful tool in attacking organized crime, plain and simple. All the rhetoric around it (except for the "save the kids" crap) aligns with this.

Personally, I think the tool doesn't work as well as it should, and it has been used to great detriment against much of the population. It has been abused by law enforcement on all levels to serve individual racial prejudices, as well as prosecuting innocent people for only seeming guilty of a crime.
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