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On March 10 2018 05:06 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 05:04 Nebuchad wrote:
Every conversation with Danglars ever:
- The left is trying to dismiss my opinion.
- Hi, I'm politically to the left of Sauron so you're talking about me, let me engage your opinion.
- I repeat my opinion.
- I'd like to challenge that.
- You're a troll, I'm dismissing what you said. 1. Oh you singled me out 2. Oh you didn't single me out? Let's discuss the difference between propaganda and ideological framing of facts 3. Oh you don't want to do that instead? You're running from the argument! Yeah. You're reminding me to not even bother.
I'm way ahead of you on that one. As long as you don't argue exactly like they want you to argue you're either trolling or dodging.
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On March 10 2018 05:32 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 05:06 Danglars wrote:On March 10 2018 05:04 Nebuchad wrote:
Every conversation with Danglars ever:
- The left is trying to dismiss my opinion.
- Hi, I'm politically to the left of Sauron so you're talking about me, let me engage your opinion.
- I repeat my opinion.
- I'd like to challenge that.
- You're a troll, I'm dismissing what you said. 1. Oh you singled me out 2. Oh you didn't single me out? Let's discuss the difference between propaganda and ideological framing of facts 3. Oh you don't want to do that instead? You're running from the argument! Yeah. You're reminding me to not even bother. I'm way ahead of you on that one. As long as you don't argue exactly like they want you to argue you're either trolling or dodging.
implying mutual exclusivity where it does not belong, just for the sake of saying so.
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Yeah, I got a kick out of seeing that. He has to surrender his WuTang property too!
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On March 10 2018 05:40 farvacola wrote:
Yeah, I got a kick out of seeing that. He has to surrender his WuTang property too!
i was reading an interesting piece about the legality of reselling it. I think the entire farce was just terrible(the wutang album, not that his actions aren’t also terrible,) but now i’m finally interested. RELEASE THE TAPE.
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the administration has turned into that sesame street character with two heads
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On March 10 2018 05:39 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 05:32 Sermokala wrote:On March 10 2018 05:06 Danglars wrote:On March 10 2018 05:04 Nebuchad wrote:
Every conversation with Danglars ever:
- The left is trying to dismiss my opinion.
- Hi, I'm politically to the left of Sauron so you're talking about me, let me engage your opinion.
- I repeat my opinion.
- I'd like to challenge that.
- You're a troll, I'm dismissing what you said. 1. Oh you singled me out 2. Oh you didn't single me out? Let's discuss the difference between propaganda and ideological framing of facts 3. Oh you don't want to do that instead? You're running from the argument! Yeah. You're reminding me to not even bother. I'm way ahead of you on that one. As long as you don't argue exactly like they want you to argue you're either trolling or dodging. implying mutual exclusivity where it does not belong, just for the sake of saying so.
Thanks for proving my point.
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On one hand, I'm happy that he got seven years for defrauding investors. On the other hand, I'm pretty mad that his lawyers were asking for 12 to 18 months, which implies that defrauding investors of around $10 million is a comparable crime to possessing around 8 ounces of marijuana in NY state (which is where he was in court.
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On March 10 2018 07:40 Kyadytim wrote:On one hand, I'm happy that he got seven years for defrauding investors. On the other hand, I'm pretty mad that his lawyers were asking for 12 to 18 months, which implies that defrauding investors of around $10 million is a comparable crime to possessing around 8 ounces of marijuana in NY state (which is where he was in court.
Lol. What a loser! That guy is a putz.
The US & Germany don't interact enough, in my opinion. They have a lot of common ground in that they both are economically advantaged countries surrounded by lesser cronies. I think there is room for common dialogue with regards to NATO as well as the role of exchange rates in controlling the economy. They are both countries with representative governments that hold elections every few years in a party-based system.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-germans-turn-right/article/2009880
I guess I get that China & Germany are responding to Trump's talk of tariffs by threatening to put up tariffs of their own. Policies that are too nativist do go over well with Trump's base, but he needs to also think about trade with other countries.Trade barriers are a touchy subject but each country has to think of their own affairs first. Perhaps more immigration is the answer? I think that there is a lot of illegal immigrants that sneak over from Mexico into the US anyways, so, they might as well allow more people to come the "normal way."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-slams-trumps-tariffs-as-allies-hold-out-hope-for-talks-1520585331
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On March 10 2018 12:59 A3th3r wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 07:40 Kyadytim wrote:On one hand, I'm happy that he got seven years for defrauding investors. On the other hand, I'm pretty mad that his lawyers were asking for 12 to 18 months, which implies that defrauding investors of around $10 million is a comparable crime to possessing around 8 ounces of marijuana in NY state (which is where he was in court. Lol. What a loser! That guy is a putz. The US & Germany don't interact enough, in my opinion. They have a lot of common ground in that they both are economically advantaged countries surrounded by lesser cronies. I think there is room for common dialogue with regards to NATO as well as the role of exchange rates in controlling the economy. They are both countries with representative governments that hold elections every few years in a party-based system. http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-germans-turn-right/article/2009880
It's a little weird with Germany via Merkel showing a weakened union against populism, and America in the full throes of a big populist victory over a big business-as-usual candidate. I don't see a lot of progress on NATO-related initiatives and dialogue until the EC/EU figures out if they're going for an EU military and Brexit negotiations.
I guess I get that China & Germany are responding to Trump's talk of tariffs by threatening to put up tariffs of their own. Policies that are too nativist do go over well with Trump's base, but he needs to also think about trade with other countries.Trade barriers are a touchy subject but each country has to think of their own affairs first. Perhaps more immigration is the answer? I think that there is a lot of illegal immigrants that sneak over from Mexico into the US anyways, so, they might as well allow more people to come the "normal way." https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-slams-trumps-tariffs-as-allies-hold-out-hope-for-talks-1520585331
I don't think it's a right formulation to talk about Trump's thinking about trade. The big two messages of the campaign were immigration and trade, period. He's not going to develop a personal thought on "trade with other countries" beyond "treat China badly, treat countries I like less disfavorably." The 'thinking' is whatever advisor has his ear, and if that goes against his gut instincts.
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On March 10 2018 13:50 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 12:59 A3th3r wrote:On March 10 2018 07:40 Kyadytim wrote:On one hand, I'm happy that he got seven years for defrauding investors. On the other hand, I'm pretty mad that his lawyers were asking for 12 to 18 months, which implies that defrauding investors of around $10 million is a comparable crime to possessing around 8 ounces of marijuana in NY state (which is where he was in court. Lol. What a loser! That guy is a putz. The US & Germany don't interact enough, in my opinion. They have a lot of common ground in that they both are economically advantaged countries surrounded by lesser cronies. I think there is room for common dialogue with regards to NATO as well as the role of exchange rates in controlling the economy. They are both countries with representative governments that hold elections every few years in a party-based system. http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-germans-turn-right/article/2009880 It's a little weird with Germany via Merkel showing a weakened union against populism, and America in the full throes of a big populist victory over a big business-as-usual candidate. I don't see a lot of progress on NATO-related initiatives and dialogue until the EC/EU figures out if they're going for an EU military and Brexit negotiations. Show nested quote +I guess I get that China & Germany are responding to Trump's talk of tariffs by threatening to put up tariffs of their own. Policies that are too nativist do go over well with Trump's base, but he needs to also think about trade with other countries.Trade barriers are a touchy subject but each country has to think of their own affairs first. Perhaps more immigration is the answer? I think that there is a lot of illegal immigrants that sneak over from Mexico into the US anyways, so, they might as well allow more people to come the "normal way." https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-slams-trumps-tariffs-as-allies-hold-out-hope-for-talks-1520585331 I don't think it's a right formulation to talk about Trump's thinking about trade. The big two messages of the campaign were immigration and trade, period. He's not going to develop a personal thought on "trade with other countries" beyond "treat China badly, treat countries I like less disfavorably." The 'thinking' is whatever advisor has his ear, and if that goes against his gut instincts.
Yes, a big business as usual candidate. Compare that statement to the performance of the S&P 500 under Trump.
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Shkreli
No doubt that it's good that he's barred from doing "business" for a time: relevant funny video. However, did some of the medication he price-hiked (or exploded, more like it) become more accessible? Defrauding investors is bad, yes, but this would have felt significant only if he had been convicted for directly hurting/killing people, which he no doubt did, by his sickening pseudo-economic reasoning. Not that I wish it onto him, but it likely would feel more just in an emotional way if he were to fall ill and not have the money to get overpriced medication.
EU, trade and Germany
I believe the biggest crisis is that of representation (as people, especially the new populist right, put it on the top of the agenda; in some parts rightfully so): A far bigger share of the member states' populations has become more politically uninvolved since 2008, and thus out-of-tune with their politicians. Politicians who in their turn had to face many more and increasingly complex issues in that same period. So then again they are in weaker positions to represent their country facing the EU. It's a facet of the old so-called democracy deficit problem, but on steroids: The member states need the EU more than ever to work out the glaring economic and social (judicial oversight e.g.) problems, but the EU cannot (and shouldn't) police the member states too strongly, in fear of seeming too authoritative, giving eurosceptics more of a platform on national sovereignty (challenging EU-representation yet again) and ultimately weakening the position of pro-EU politicians in their home societies. House of cards in a breeze... as austerity takes its toll visibly mostly outside of Germany, but also inside it, it's clear how the 'new movements' (Macron with En Marche and Cinque Stelle or even Germany's FDP) seem like a rather fresh alternative: But ultimately with not a strong enough mandate to fix the business-ism (in opposition to actual macro-economics) that has taken a hold of Europe after the austerity proposals (by "the elite" as well as Germany's conservatives, positioned for success before the Merkel II administration) managed to rally everyone in 2008-09. I don't see NATO making lots of headlines, an EU military would likely be the end of the EU for the above reasons. But calls for them are on-topic.
With all the insecurity from the Trump administration, Europe profits a lot -- for example even though quite a few economists proposed German exports will stagnate, they're still rising. Tax cuts in the US are kind of a one trick pony. Steel tariffs likely will get lower prices for steel in the EU: So the European cars Trump wants to challenge with import taxes if the EC decides to tariff motorcylces and jeans, will be... let's say net: just as affordable. All the while hurting the US both short and long-term... Isolationism anywhere else might at least have been good for the environment.
45 thinking
Yeah right. Lean back and see how his mastermind will handle the summit with Kim Jong-Un. Two nuclear, stable geniuses at one table, what can go wrong? MSNBC (I believe) reported he agreed to it before even consulting with advisors/experts...
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The FDP is a "new movement" in Germany? Really?
They are the party with the most government participation in the history of post-WW2 Germany. (52 years FDP, 48 years CDU/CSU, 31 years SPD)
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On March 10 2018 15:51 dicey wrote:
EU, trade and Germany
I believe the biggest crisis is that of representation (as people, especially the new populist right, put it on the top of the agenda; in some parts rightfully so): A far bigger share of the member states' populations has become more politically uninvolved since 2008, and thus out-of-tune with their politicians. Politicians who in their turn had to face many more and increasingly complex issues in that same period. So then again they are in weaker positions to represent their country facing the EU. It's a facet of the old so-called democracy deficit problem, but on steroids: The member states need the EU more than ever to work out the glaring economic and social (judicial oversight e.g.) problems, but the EU cannot (and shouldn't) police the member states too strongly, in fear of seeming too authoritative, giving eurosceptics more of a platform on national sovereignty (challenging EU-representation yet again) and ultimately weakening the position of pro-EU politicians in their home societies. House of cards in a breeze... as austerity takes its toll visibly mostly outside of Germany, but also inside it, it's clear how the 'new movements' (Macron with En Marche and Cinque Stelle or even Germany's FDP) seem like a rather fresh alternative: But ultimately with not a strong enough mandate to fix the business-ism (in opposition to actual macro-economics) that has taken a hold of Europe after the austerity proposals (by "the elite" as well as Germany's conservatives, positioned for success before the Merkel II administration) managed to rally everyone in 2008-09. I don't see NATO making lots of headlines, an EU military would likely be the end of the EU for the above reasons. But calls for them are on-topic.
With all the insecurity from the Trump administration, Europe profits a lot -- for example even though quite a few economists proposed German exports will stagnate, they're still rising. Tax cuts in the US are kind of a one trick pony. Steel tariffs likely will get lower prices for steel in the EU: So the European cars Trump wants to challenge with import taxes if the EC decides to tariff motorcylces and jeans, will be... let's say net: just as affordable. All the while hurting the US both short and long-term... Isolationism anywhere else might at least have been good for the environment.
Dead-on. Populists carry the message that the country's elites are governing in their own self-interest, and have plenty of reason to believe so in today's day and age. Of course, what serves the elites frequently is better for the country at large when compared to the stupidity of a typical populist's plan of reorganizing things.
45 thinking
Yeah right. Lean back and see how his mastermind will handle the summit with Kim Jong-Un. Two nuclear, stable geniuses at one table, what can go wrong? MSNBC (I believe) reported he agreed to it before even consulting with advisors/experts...
I was assured nuclear war over Trump's tweeting, and now Kim's making overtures (which, again, might be mostly nothing, but certainly are far from Trump ruining any chance of anything for the rest of the term). But, please, preconditions kthx.
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On March 10 2018 15:59 mahrgell wrote:
The FDP is a "new movement" in Germany? Really?
They are the party with the most government participation in the history of post-WW2 Germany. (52 years FDP, 48 years CDU/CSU, 31 years SPD)
Like voters care that much about durations/nice statistics. The SPD being the oldest sure helped/helps them now /s
Judging by how Lindner profiled himself during the elections, yes, in the most part he was to be a big (economic) liberal reformer unlike the world has seen before, very much desiring to break up with whatever is happening. Purely symbolic politics to the core, even though the factual proposals behind it was more or less keeping the status quo.
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On March 10 2018 15:51 dicey wrote:ShkreliNo doubt that it's good that he's barred from doing "business" for a time: relevant funny video. However, did some of the medication he price-hiked (or exploded, more like it) become more accessible? Defrauding investors is bad, yes, but this would have felt significant only if he had been convicted for directly hurting/killing people, which he no doubt did, by his sickening pseudo-economic reasoning. Not that I wish it onto him, but it likely would feel more just in an emotional way if he were to fall ill and not have the money to get overpriced medication.
People only get punished for screwing over corporations and other rich people. You can economically abuse commoners all you like and get off scott free.
Which is why... you know. Wooden poles. Sharp metal. Slicing sound. Thump. No need to hold back in the name of civility, they don't hold back either. They just grab everything they can, then some, and even more. With people like Shkreli essentially condemning people to death as he grabs whatever he feels like.
Or McDonalds and their "Look at us, we're so forward-thinking and turn our letter M upside down to say "W" on international women's day. Meanwhile, suing cities for raising the minimum wage and working hard to continue to pay its 60% female workforce ridiculously low wages. How's that for utterly meaningless virtue signaling? But at least its a female CEO that's abusing her workforce, right? Fucking trash values, that.
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On March 10 2018 20:01 a_flayer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 15:51 dicey wrote:ShkreliNo doubt that it's good that he's barred from doing "business" for a time: relevant funny video. However, did some of the medication he price-hiked (or exploded, more like it) become more accessible? Defrauding investors is bad, yes, but this would have felt significant only if he had been convicted for directly hurting/killing people, which he no doubt did, by his sickening pseudo-economic reasoning. Not that I wish it onto him, but it likely would feel more just in an emotional way if he were to fall ill and not have the money to get overpriced medication. People only get punished for screwing over corporations and other rich people. You can economically abuse commoners all you like and get off scott free. Which is why... you know. Wooden poles. Sharp metal. Slicing sound. Thump. No need to hold back in the name of civility, they don't hold back either. They just grab everything they can, then some, and even more. With people like Shkreli essentially condemning people to death as he grabs whatever he feels like. Or McDonalds and their " Look at us, we're so forward-thinking and turn our letter M upside down to say "W" on international women's day. Meanwhile, suing cities for raising the minimum wage and working hard to continue to pay its 60% female workforce ridiculously low wages. How's that for utterly meaningless virtue signaling? But at least its a female CEO that's abusing her workforce, right? Fucking trash values, that.
That's the first thing that I thought about when I saw that article. Man purposefully drives up the price of a life saving drug...but he's arrested for taking rich people's money? And then only gets 7 years in prison? Unreal.
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On March 10 2018 16:32 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 15:51 dicey wrote:
EU, trade and Germany
I believe the biggest crisis is that of representation (as people, especially the new populist right, put it on the top of the agenda; in some parts rightfully so): A far bigger share of the member states' populations has become more politically uninvolved since 2008, and thus out-of-tune with their politicians. Politicians who in their turn had to face many more and increasingly complex issues in that same period. So then again they are in weaker positions to represent their country facing the EU. It's a facet of the old so-called democracy deficit problem, but on steroids: The member states need the EU more than ever to work out the glaring economic and social (judicial oversight e.g.) problems, but the EU cannot (and shouldn't) police the member states too strongly, in fear of seeming too authoritative, giving eurosceptics more of a platform on national sovereignty (challenging EU-representation yet again) and ultimately weakening the position of pro-EU politicians in their home societies. House of cards in a breeze... as austerity takes its toll visibly mostly outside of Germany, but also inside it, it's clear how the 'new movements' (Macron with En Marche and Cinque Stelle or even Germany's FDP) seem like a rather fresh alternative: But ultimately with not a strong enough mandate to fix the business-ism (in opposition to actual macro-economics) that has taken a hold of Europe after the austerity proposals (by "the elite" as well as Germany's conservatives, positioned for success before the Merkel II administration) managed to rally everyone in 2008-09. I don't see NATO making lots of headlines, an EU military would likely be the end of the EU for the above reasons. But calls for them are on-topic.
With all the insecurity from the Trump administration, Europe profits a lot -- for example even though quite a few economists proposed German exports will stagnate, they're still rising. Tax cuts in the US are kind of a one trick pony. Steel tariffs likely will get lower prices for steel in the EU: So the European cars Trump wants to challenge with import taxes if the EC decides to tariff motorcylces and jeans, will be... let's say net: just as affordable. All the while hurting the US both short and long-term... Isolationism anywhere else might at least have been good for the environment. Dead-on. Populists carry the message that the country's elites are governing in their own self-interest, and have plenty of reason to believe so in today's day and age. Of course, what serves the elites frequently is better for the country at large when compared to the stupidity of a typical populist's plan of reorganizing things. Show nested quote +
45 thinking
Yeah right. Lean back and see how his mastermind will handle the summit with Kim Jong-Un. Two nuclear, stable geniuses at one table, what can go wrong? MSNBC (I believe) reported he agreed to it before even consulting with advisors/experts...
I was assured nuclear war over Trump's tweeting, and now Kim's making overtures (which, again, might be mostly nothing, but certainly are far from Trump ruining any chance of anything for the rest of the term). But, please, preconditions kthx.
I'm old enough to remember when Trump was gonna start WWIII over his twitter. Now we have a summit.
I´m old enough to remember when Trump was literally Hitler, and then he gave unconditional support to Israel.
I'm old enough to remember when liberales hated free trade, but now that Trump wants to put some tarriffs they are all free trade laissez-fare fanatics, makes me chuckle a bit. I read somewhere it was a matermind plan of Trump to troll leftists into defending free trade and later put no tarrifs.
To be fair all conservatives should oppose tarrifs, but some seem to be for it now.
The left in the U.S. is now simply an anti-trump party, always switching their narrative to oppose him.
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