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On November 16 2012 08:52 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 08:49 nath wrote:Shared by one of my friends on FB: In case anyone believes that American reporting about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is unbiased and accurate, let me share a personal story that I have rarely spoken about in public, but at long last needs to be said. When I graduated college, I worked as a reporter on Wall Street. While working as a journalist for Knight-Ridder, one of the biggest media companies in the US, I covered many international stories, including interviewing Shimon Peres, Benazir Bhutto and other prominent leaders. I was considered a rising star and was soon up for a promotion to join the Washington DC bureau.
I was excited to move from New York to DC and after a week long "trial period" where I worked full time in DC office, was told I had the job. And then, at the last minute, I was called into the office of the DC Bureau Chief. He told me that he had decided not to hire me after all. I was shocked and asked why. The Bureau Chief told me bluntly to my face that he felt that I as a Muslim could not "fairly" cover Israel (i.e, present Israel always in a positive light). I was stunned. Was he actually telling me I lost the job because of my religion? And because I wouldn't promote a specifically pro-Israel agenda? This had to be a joke. There was another reporter in the room with the Bureau Chief who was Jewish. I asked the chief if he felt the other reporter would be unbiased, considering his religion. The chief turned red in the face with anger and told me not take the conversation there. Muslims were obviously biased about Palestine, but suggesting a Jew would be biased toward Israel was anti-Semitic. I walked out.
When I reported this exchange to Human Affairs at Knight Ridder, they panicked. They realized that I was sitting on major lawsuit against them for discrimination. They met me and apologized, begging me not to sue. I could have the DC job if I wanted. But I knew that now I had enemies there. I had embarrassed the Bureau Chief by reporting him and working in DC would be like navigating a lion's den. So I politely declined and resigned. I went on to Cornell Law School to learn how to protect myself and others from this kind of behavior. I later left the law to become a Hollywood filmmaker, and have experienced similar stories inside the film industry, where being pro-Palestinian is not exactly a major selling point. And yet I persist because I believe that truth can only be known by sharing all sides, not just one side of a narrative.
I have not told this story to many people, but in light of how the Western media is reporting (or failing to report) on what is happening in Gaza, I felt it my duty to share my own experience. When it comes to Israel and Palestine, the mainstream media has an agenda to tell only side of the story.
Yet truth always outs. As it just did, right now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamran_Pasha Well, is it actually him writing that, or just some viral text written by someone else?
yes, its him writing that rofl...it was shared by a friend from that guy's original post.....
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On November 16 2012 08:55 nath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 08:52 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 08:49 nath wrote:Shared by one of my friends on FB: In case anyone believes that American reporting about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is unbiased and accurate, let me share a personal story that I have rarely spoken about in public, but at long last needs to be said. When I graduated college, I worked as a reporter on Wall Street. While working as a journalist for Knight-Ridder, one of the biggest media companies in the US, I covered many international stories, including interviewing Shimon Peres, Benazir Bhutto and other prominent leaders. I was considered a rising star and was soon up for a promotion to join the Washington DC bureau.
I was excited to move from New York to DC and after a week long "trial period" where I worked full time in DC office, was told I had the job. And then, at the last minute, I was called into the office of the DC Bureau Chief. He told me that he had decided not to hire me after all. I was shocked and asked why. The Bureau Chief told me bluntly to my face that he felt that I as a Muslim could not "fairly" cover Israel (i.e, present Israel always in a positive light). I was stunned. Was he actually telling me I lost the job because of my religion? And because I wouldn't promote a specifically pro-Israel agenda? This had to be a joke. There was another reporter in the room with the Bureau Chief who was Jewish. I asked the chief if he felt the other reporter would be unbiased, considering his religion. The chief turned red in the face with anger and told me not take the conversation there. Muslims were obviously biased about Palestine, but suggesting a Jew would be biased toward Israel was anti-Semitic. I walked out.
When I reported this exchange to Human Affairs at Knight Ridder, they panicked. They realized that I was sitting on major lawsuit against them for discrimination. They met me and apologized, begging me not to sue. I could have the DC job if I wanted. But I knew that now I had enemies there. I had embarrassed the Bureau Chief by reporting him and working in DC would be like navigating a lion's den. So I politely declined and resigned. I went on to Cornell Law School to learn how to protect myself and others from this kind of behavior. I later left the law to become a Hollywood filmmaker, and have experienced similar stories inside the film industry, where being pro-Palestinian is not exactly a major selling point. And yet I persist because I believe that truth can only be known by sharing all sides, not just one side of a narrative.
I have not told this story to many people, but in light of how the Western media is reporting (or failing to report) on what is happening in Gaza, I felt it my duty to share my own experience. When it comes to Israel and Palestine, the mainstream media has an agenda to tell only side of the story.
Yet truth always outs. As it just did, right now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamran_Pasha Well, is it actually him writing that, or just some viral text written by someone else? yes, its him writing that rofl...it was shared by a friend from that guy's original post.....
Which you did not mention at first mate, so i don't really get your "rofl". Guess it's funny now when people want to doublecheck before they form an opinion. Ôo
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On November 16 2012 08:57 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 08:55 nath wrote:On November 16 2012 08:52 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 08:49 nath wrote:Shared by one of my friends on FB: In case anyone believes that American reporting about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is unbiased and accurate, let me share a personal story that I have rarely spoken about in public, but at long last needs to be said. When I graduated college, I worked as a reporter on Wall Street. While working as a journalist for Knight-Ridder, one of the biggest media companies in the US, I covered many international stories, including interviewing Shimon Peres, Benazir Bhutto and other prominent leaders. I was considered a rising star and was soon up for a promotion to join the Washington DC bureau.
I was excited to move from New York to DC and after a week long "trial period" where I worked full time in DC office, was told I had the job. And then, at the last minute, I was called into the office of the DC Bureau Chief. He told me that he had decided not to hire me after all. I was shocked and asked why. The Bureau Chief told me bluntly to my face that he felt that I as a Muslim could not "fairly" cover Israel (i.e, present Israel always in a positive light). I was stunned. Was he actually telling me I lost the job because of my religion? And because I wouldn't promote a specifically pro-Israel agenda? This had to be a joke. There was another reporter in the room with the Bureau Chief who was Jewish. I asked the chief if he felt the other reporter would be unbiased, considering his religion. The chief turned red in the face with anger and told me not take the conversation there. Muslims were obviously biased about Palestine, but suggesting a Jew would be biased toward Israel was anti-Semitic. I walked out.
When I reported this exchange to Human Affairs at Knight Ridder, they panicked. They realized that I was sitting on major lawsuit against them for discrimination. They met me and apologized, begging me not to sue. I could have the DC job if I wanted. But I knew that now I had enemies there. I had embarrassed the Bureau Chief by reporting him and working in DC would be like navigating a lion's den. So I politely declined and resigned. I went on to Cornell Law School to learn how to protect myself and others from this kind of behavior. I later left the law to become a Hollywood filmmaker, and have experienced similar stories inside the film industry, where being pro-Palestinian is not exactly a major selling point. And yet I persist because I believe that truth can only be known by sharing all sides, not just one side of a narrative.
I have not told this story to many people, but in light of how the Western media is reporting (or failing to report) on what is happening in Gaza, I felt it my duty to share my own experience. When it comes to Israel and Palestine, the mainstream media has an agenda to tell only side of the story.
Yet truth always outs. As it just did, right now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamran_Pasha Well, is it actually him writing that, or just some viral text written by someone else? yes, its him writing that rofl...it was shared by a friend from that guy's original post..... Which you did not mention at first mate, so i don't really get your "rofl". Guess it's funny now when people want to doublecheck before they form an opinion. Ôo
if you read it you would see that its clearly from first person. + Show Spoiler +only assumption would be that i wouldnt take a first person account of person x's experiences written by person y seriously. that is just common sense.
Also just for the record, I am posting this merely for to show this point of view, has nothing to do with my personal tendencies.
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On November 16 2012 09:00 nath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 08:57 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 08:55 nath wrote:On November 16 2012 08:52 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 08:49 nath wrote:Shared by one of my friends on FB: In case anyone believes that American reporting about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is unbiased and accurate, let me share a personal story that I have rarely spoken about in public, but at long last needs to be said. When I graduated college, I worked as a reporter on Wall Street. While working as a journalist for Knight-Ridder, one of the biggest media companies in the US, I covered many international stories, including interviewing Shimon Peres, Benazir Bhutto and other prominent leaders. I was considered a rising star and was soon up for a promotion to join the Washington DC bureau.
I was excited to move from New York to DC and after a week long "trial period" where I worked full time in DC office, was told I had the job. And then, at the last minute, I was called into the office of the DC Bureau Chief. He told me that he had decided not to hire me after all. I was shocked and asked why. The Bureau Chief told me bluntly to my face that he felt that I as a Muslim could not "fairly" cover Israel (i.e, present Israel always in a positive light). I was stunned. Was he actually telling me I lost the job because of my religion? And because I wouldn't promote a specifically pro-Israel agenda? This had to be a joke. There was another reporter in the room with the Bureau Chief who was Jewish. I asked the chief if he felt the other reporter would be unbiased, considering his religion. The chief turned red in the face with anger and told me not take the conversation there. Muslims were obviously biased about Palestine, but suggesting a Jew would be biased toward Israel was anti-Semitic. I walked out.
When I reported this exchange to Human Affairs at Knight Ridder, they panicked. They realized that I was sitting on major lawsuit against them for discrimination. They met me and apologized, begging me not to sue. I could have the DC job if I wanted. But I knew that now I had enemies there. I had embarrassed the Bureau Chief by reporting him and working in DC would be like navigating a lion's den. So I politely declined and resigned. I went on to Cornell Law School to learn how to protect myself and others from this kind of behavior. I later left the law to become a Hollywood filmmaker, and have experienced similar stories inside the film industry, where being pro-Palestinian is not exactly a major selling point. And yet I persist because I believe that truth can only be known by sharing all sides, not just one side of a narrative.
I have not told this story to many people, but in light of how the Western media is reporting (or failing to report) on what is happening in Gaza, I felt it my duty to share my own experience. When it comes to Israel and Palestine, the mainstream media has an agenda to tell only side of the story.
Yet truth always outs. As it just did, right now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamran_Pasha Well, is it actually him writing that, or just some viral text written by someone else? yes, its him writing that rofl...it was shared by a friend from that guy's original post..... Which you did not mention at first mate, so i don't really get your "rofl". Guess it's funny now when people want to doublecheck before they form an opinion. Ôo if you read it you would see that its clearly from first person. + Show Spoiler +only assumption would be that i wouldnt take a first person account of person x's experiences written by person y seriously. that is just common sense.
What? I asked if Kamran Pasha wrote that, or some other random guy and it went viral. It's actually not that seldom on Facebook. And it's not too hard to write in first person, even if you fake something. You don't need to be a mastermind to do so.
And btw, on Kamran Pashas FB is no such posting (at least after a brief strg+f-search and looking at all his postings), which justifies my question even more.
Edit: not saying that i can't believe it, i actually am convinced that medias are quite manipulative, that does not mean that something like that should not be sourced. Im just curious and don't want argue with/against it without knowing if its even real.
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Never trust souces like that. espacially when it floats around in places like facebook >_>
There isnt any souce of it anywher. It didnt come from an article, or interview. It doesnt even seemed to be linked ot the kamran guy, so I see no reason why anybody would believe he was the guy who wrote it.
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I voted neither, the issue is too complex to choose a side, both sides needs to work out something, but we know this will not easily happen.
Support for Palestine is not the same as support for Hamas. If the poll was Israel vs Hamas, I would've voted for Israel, as Hamas is actively targeting population center, while Israel is targeting Hamas which caused collateral damage. Hamas isn't the same as French resistance as the latter only targets military targets and not actively causing terror to civilians.
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On November 16 2012 09:11 TheRealArtemis wrote:
Never trust souces like that. espacially when it floats around in places like facebook >_>
There isnt any souce of it anywher. It didnt come from an article, or interview. It doesnt even seemed to be linked ot the kamran guy, so I see no reason why anybody would believe he was the guy who wrote it.
That's what i'm saying.
Kamran Pashas Facebook. Feel free to point my nose on that particular quote, until then, it's fake to me. Sorry.
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On November 16 2012 09:03 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 09:00 nath wrote:On November 16 2012 08:57 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 08:55 nath wrote:On November 16 2012 08:52 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 08:49 nath wrote:Shared by one of my friends on FB: In case anyone believes that American reporting about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is unbiased and accurate, let me share a personal story that I have rarely spoken about in public, but at long last needs to be said. When I graduated college, I worked as a reporter on Wall Street. While working as a journalist for Knight-Ridder, one of the biggest media companies in the US, I covered many international stories, including interviewing Shimon Peres, Benazir Bhutto and other prominent leaders. I was considered a rising star and was soon up for a promotion to join the Washington DC bureau.
I was excited to move from New York to DC and after a week long "trial period" where I worked full time in DC office, was told I had the job. And then, at the last minute, I was called into the office of the DC Bureau Chief. He told me that he had decided not to hire me after all. I was shocked and asked why. The Bureau Chief told me bluntly to my face that he felt that I as a Muslim could not "fairly" cover Israel (i.e, present Israel always in a positive light). I was stunned. Was he actually telling me I lost the job because of my religion? And because I wouldn't promote a specifically pro-Israel agenda? This had to be a joke. There was another reporter in the room with the Bureau Chief who was Jewish. I asked the chief if he felt the other reporter would be unbiased, considering his religion. The chief turned red in the face with anger and told me not take the conversation there. Muslims were obviously biased about Palestine, but suggesting a Jew would be biased toward Israel was anti-Semitic. I walked out.
When I reported this exchange to Human Affairs at Knight Ridder, they panicked. They realized that I was sitting on major lawsuit against them for discrimination. They met me and apologized, begging me not to sue. I could have the DC job if I wanted. But I knew that now I had enemies there. I had embarrassed the Bureau Chief by reporting him and working in DC would be like navigating a lion's den. So I politely declined and resigned. I went on to Cornell Law School to learn how to protect myself and others from this kind of behavior. I later left the law to become a Hollywood filmmaker, and have experienced similar stories inside the film industry, where being pro-Palestinian is not exactly a major selling point. And yet I persist because I believe that truth can only be known by sharing all sides, not just one side of a narrative.
I have not told this story to many people, but in light of how the Western media is reporting (or failing to report) on what is happening in Gaza, I felt it my duty to share my own experience. When it comes to Israel and Palestine, the mainstream media has an agenda to tell only side of the story.
Yet truth always outs. As it just did, right now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamran_Pasha Well, is it actually him writing that, or just some viral text written by someone else? yes, its him writing that rofl...it was shared by a friend from that guy's original post..... Which you did not mention at first mate, so i don't really get your "rofl". Guess it's funny now when people want to doublecheck before they form an opinion. Ôo if you read it you would see that its clearly from first person. + Show Spoiler +only assumption would be that i wouldnt take a first person account of person x's experiences written by person y seriously. that is just common sense. What? I asked if Kamran Pasha wrote that, or some other random guy and it went viral. It's actually not that seldom on Facebook. And it's not too hard to write in first person, even if you fake something. You don't need to be a mastermind to do so. And btw, on Kamran Pashas FB is no such posting (at least after a brief strg+f-search and looking at all his postings), which justifies my question even more. Edit: not saying that i can't believe it, i actually am convinced that medias are quite manipulative, that does not mean that something like that should not be sourced. Im just curious and don't want argue with/against it without knowing if its even real.
You're totally right to question it. I know I question it. I know the news media is biased about local matters so I don't doubt they're biased about international matters as well. Assuming the media is slanted and that story is true, that's not so much a damning statement about how slanted the reporting is on that subject or any subject so much as a damning statement about how ignorant the "Bureau Chief" is. More likely is that neither side is entirely innocent of everything that the other side alleges, but the media buffs out some of the blemishes of their chosen side when reporting on it. That's nothing really new or shocking to anyone that has paid attention to the news since, well, forever.
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i don't really see how the israel-palestine situation can ever really end. pretty depressing.
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On November 16 2012 09:17 anycolourfloyd wrote:
i don't really see how the israel-palestine situation can ever really end. pretty depressing.
It will end when BOTH sides stop letting themselves be represented by extremists.
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edit: first part @ MVega
To be honest, i actually would quite be shocked. I mean, it's one thing to be biased as a newspaper, for example - but entirely another thing to actively refuse people because they could actually bring some balance in (like an muslimic writer to a jewish one). Again, not that i would not believe something like that (although its quite sad), i just don't like arguing about stuff that is not sourced (at all).
As a closing statement (need to sleep), it's actually sad to see that Israel did not make the jump to a "western" country. To me, there's no difference between Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, etc etc - they all behave equally stupid. Some countries have the excuse that they're not backed up by us - Israel does not. They behave like every other country in the middle east (disrespecting human rights, laws of war, bla etc pp), and that really bothers me. In fact, after reading the statements of that israeli mate, i'm actually convinced that without major "help" (including military actions against the hamas AND the IDF if neccessary) from outside, there will be never peace. There is just no way for diplomatics to resolve that issue as long as Israel (and seemingly some of their citizens) think it's justified what they're doing. (edit: ofc, same for hamas, just in case someone wants to rant about that - im tired, i hope i made myself clear that i voted "neither" because i really think so)
Let's just hope that they (with that i mean IDF AND hamas) have the common sense left to not start nuclear missiles (or attack the nuclear plant near tel aviv for hamas). I'm a bit scared though, to be brutally honest. I don't trust the israeli government (at all), and i'm not alone with that opinion (sadly, you can't really say that over here in germany without being labeled as nazi/anti-semit, so the few critical voices that get raised are being discredited as anti-semitic etc pretty fast by the jewish central comitee here). Meh, i'm tired and just ranting, sorry.
Gnite everyone.
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I just dont understand how anyone can blame Israel and not look biased...
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On November 16 2012 09:54 Schvitzer wrote:
I just dont understand how anyone can blame Israel and not look biased...
The Israel Palestine conflict has been going on for so long that everyone here has grown up with it. This means that they have grown into their opinions, and they are pretty much impossible to shake off.
People who support Palestine would say exactly the same thing.
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On November 16 2012 09:54 Schvitzer wrote:
I just dont understand how anyone can blame Israel and not look biased...
Just read through the thread, there are a lot of interesting opinions from both sides ;-)
It's easy to side with Israel for those living in western countries, because they are closest to our western culture. It's really worth it though to see how you would react if you would be in the situation of a Palestinian. Then you will see things are not that black & white and it's not easy to say who is right and who is wrong (in fact I think neither side is, but just get to your opinion by really looking at it from both sides).
BTW, just noticed your from the US, where the media seems really quite biased towards Israel, so you will need to look a bit further to see both sides of the story
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On November 16 2012 09:11 furymonkey wrote:
I voted neither, the issue is too complex to choose a side, both sides needs to work out something, but we know this will not easily happen.
Support for Palestine is not the same as support for Hamas. If the poll was Israel vs Hamas, I would've voted for Israel, as Hamas is actively targeting population center, while Israel is targeting Hamas which caused collateral damage. Hamas isn't the same as French resistance as the latter only targets military targets and not actively causing terror to civilians.
This is true and every time I articulate an opinion on this subject with that in mind I get attacked by the Israeli posters. It's almost like they cannot comprehend the difference. It is very sad and likely a direct effect of dehumanization propaganda by their government.
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On November 16 2012 10:01 Op wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 09:54 Schvitzer wrote:
I just dont understand how anyone can blame Israel and not look biased... Just read through the thread, there are a lot of interesting opinions from both sides ;-) It's easy to side with Israel for those living in western countries, because they are closest to our western culture. It's really worth it though to see how you would react if you would be in the situation of a Palestinian. Then you will see things are not that black & white and it's not easy to say who is right and who is wrong (in fact I think neither side is, but just get to your opinion by really looking at it from both sides). BTW, just noticed your from the US, where the media seems really quite biased towards Israel, so you will need to look a bit further to see both sides of the story
Fairness is never the determining factor, that's the unfortunate reality. The Palestinians had their chance for a fair peace at a time when their position looked strong, and they rejected it because they gambled on being able to get everything. They lost that gamble and are facing the consequences.
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On November 16 2012 10:20 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 09:11 furymonkey wrote:
I voted neither, the issue is too complex to choose a side, both sides needs to work out something, but we know this will not easily happen.
Support for Palestine is not the same as support for Hamas. If the poll was Israel vs Hamas, I would've voted for Israel, as Hamas is actively targeting population center, while Israel is targeting Hamas which caused collateral damage. Hamas isn't the same as French resistance as the latter only targets military targets and not actively causing terror to civilians. This is true and every time I articulate an opinion on this subject with that in mind I get attacked by the Israeli posters. It's almost like they cannot comprehend the difference. It is very sad and likely a direct effect of dehumanization propaganda by their government.
I'm not sure how you can blame people for thinking this way when Palestinians elected a Hamas-controlled government to power.
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On November 16 2012 10:48 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 10:20 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 09:11 furymonkey wrote:
I voted neither, the issue is too complex to choose a side, both sides needs to work out something, but we know this will not easily happen.
Support for Palestine is not the same as support for Hamas. If the poll was Israel vs Hamas, I would've voted for Israel, as Hamas is actively targeting population center, while Israel is targeting Hamas which caused collateral damage. Hamas isn't the same as French resistance as the latter only targets military targets and not actively causing terror to civilians. This is true and every time I articulate an opinion on this subject with that in mind I get attacked by the Israeli posters. It's almost like they cannot comprehend the difference. It is very sad and likely a direct effect of dehumanization propaganda by their government. I'm not sure how you can blame people for thinking this way when Palestinians elected a Hamas-controlled government to power.
We voted in Obama, that makes everyone liberal. right? no.
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For those that support Israel, do you believe that the Arab Cause and Palestine was created as a farce to gain sympathy just out of pure hatred for Jews? Though I am anti-Zionist, I really do not hold any hard feelings towards Zionists, but only when they seem to stand by opinions like this.
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United Kingdom10026 Posts
On November 16 2012 10:43 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 10:01 Op wrote:On November 16 2012 09:54 Schvitzer wrote:
I just dont understand how anyone can blame Israel and not look biased... Just read through the thread, there are a lot of interesting opinions from both sides ;-) It's easy to side with Israel for those living in western countries, because they are closest to our western culture. It's really worth it though to see how you would react if you would be in the situation of a Palestinian. Then you will see things are not that black & white and it's not easy to say who is right and who is wrong (in fact I think neither side is, but just get to your opinion by really looking at it from both sides). BTW, just noticed your from the US, where the media seems really quite biased towards Israel, so you will need to look a bit further to see both sides of the story Fairness is never the determining factor, that's the unfortunate reality. The Palestinians had their chance for a fair peace at a time when their position looked strong, and they rejected it because they gambled on being able to get everything. They lost that gamble and are facing the consequences.
Its a shame that 'unfortunate reality' is so dominating. Its a shame that the 'unfortunate reality' is controlled by humans. Its also a shame that the 'unfortunate reality' is what holds our species back from becoming a more compassionate, just, and empathic species.
If only we could do something to change it....
Oh wait...
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