EPTIsrael Bombs Palestine; Kills Hamas Leader - Page 31
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9718 Posts
On November 16 2012 05:43 dUTtrOACh wrote: So, they kill Hamas's leader and, in doing so, shoot themselves in the foot diplomatically. Egypt's withdrawal of their ambassador is an obvious sign that the Arab nations feel diplomacy is dead in regards to Israel and could be a sign of things to come. I only wonder if it was worth it... If Hamas's leader was some kind of combat genius with the ability to topple Israel single-handedly the collateral damage makes sense, but that's not the case. Instead, what they've done is create what Hamas (and other radical Muslims) will view as a martyr, while simultaneously lighting a fire up under the ass of all nations in the region who view Israel as an enemy. Frankly, killing someone who can easily be replaced doesn't do jack shit. I don't think that was of particular concern to the people who made the decision. It was probably more of an 'eye for an eye' thing. | ||
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Goozen
Israel701 Posts
On November 16 2012 05:43 dUTtrOACh wrote: So, they kill Hamas's leader and, in doing so, shoot themselves in the foot diplomatically. Egypt's withdrawal of their ambassador is an obvious sign that the Arab nations feel diplomacy is dead in regards to Israel and could be a sign of things to come. I only wonder if it was worth it... If Hamas's leader was some kind of combat genius with the ability to topple Israel single-handedly the collateral damage makes sense, but that's not the case. Instead, what they've done is create what Hamas (and other radical Muslims) will view as a martyr, while simultaneously lighting a fire up under the ass of all nations in the region who view Israel as an enemy. Frankly, killing someone who can easily be replaced doesn't do jack shit. This is why the title is misleading, he was the head of the military not the political leader, in addition huge amounts of munition have been destroyed. The withdrawal of the ambassador is meaningless, the peace was cold during Mubarak's control and relation have been non-existent since. Also these attack came in response to a lot of rockets fired in to Israel but as none died you didnt hear about it. | ||
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Maxhster
Fiji473 Posts
On November 16 2012 05:45 Jockmcplop wrote: I don't think that was of particular concern to the people who made the decision. It was probably more of an 'eye for an eye' thing. election is coming up in january in israel, it was more of an "i need moar votes lets bomb shit" thing | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On November 16 2012 05:48 Maxhster wrote: election is coming up in january in israel, it was more of an "i need moar votes lets bomb shit" thing Would not be the first time, iirc. | ||
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Goozen
Israel701 Posts
On November 16 2012 05:48 Maxhster wrote: election is coming up in january in israel, it was more of an "i need moar votes lets bomb shit" thing Wrong, very wrong. Read this thread please before you post. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On November 16 2012 05:48 Goozen wrote: This is why the title is misleading, he was the head of the military not the political leader, in addition huge amounts of munition have been destroyed. The withdrawal of the ambassador is meaningless, the peace was cold during Mubarak's control and relation have been non-existent since. Also these attack came in response to a lot of rockets fired in to Israel but as none died you didnt hear about it. There was coverage of the rocket attacks on the BBC world service. The ones prior to the Israeli attack on Hamas munitions and leadership. | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On November 16 2012 05:16 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm sorry this might come across as unconstructive but IMO if you can't even admit that Israel has done things wrong then you are not worth listening to on this subject as you are pretty much just a propaganda mouthpiece. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus "noting that the Geneva Conventions prohibit the use of phosphorus against civilians." He's also just plain wrong. I mean, I guess he could argue that the... crowded hospital... full of ... injured civilians wasn't an intentional civilian target. On November 16 2012 05:24 Goozen wrote: Its banned as a weapon but allowed as a tool to light up a area. you can fire it as long as its not aimed at people. Actually you're mainly right but it isn't explicitly banned on military targets outside the range of civilians. | ||
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Goozen
Israel701 Posts
On November 16 2012 05:51 Probe1 wrote: There was coverage of the rocket attacks on the BBC world service. The ones prior to the Israeli attack on Hamas munitions and leadership. i take it back, some coverage yes, but as you can see people are posting thinking this came out of the blue or is a cheap trick for the elections. | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
On November 16 2012 05:25 DeepElemBlues wrote: Actually a majority of the deaths are males of combat age. From 2000-2007 94% of Palestinian casualties were male and 80% were adults. A massive majority are killed in street battles, some of which involved air strikes, but a massive majority are not killed in their homes by airstrikes. Your reality doesn't compute because it doesn't square with the facts. Also note that Israel treats casualties at times when Palestinian hospitals had not taken damage, and that Israel has blocked the Red Crescent because Palestinians hijack the ambulances and use them to move weapons and men, and that medical care has never been blocked, it is provided by the IDF and the Israeli medical services. Yes, Palestinians who use their homes as bunkers or for tunnels or as weapons depots lose them, boo-hoo. Homes are not destroyed arbitrarily to make land for settlements, illegal homes are destroyed because they're illegally built. Arguing about numbers isn't going to get you anywhere, terrorism studies is notorious for bad stats about civilian casualties versus "enemy combatant" casualties. Nobody really knows what the ratio is between enemy combatants killed and civilians. But if you take an objective look at the topic literature it's obvious that Israel is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Palestinian civilians since 2000. Where did you get that 80% are adults number and 94% are male? That sounds extremely biased. Regardless, the issue isn't gender and age, that's only a component. It doesn't address whether those adult males were legitimate targets or what the consequences are in terms of blowback. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
There are thousands of photographs of the victims and the actual bursts themselves. On November 16 2012 05:54 Goozen wrote: i take it back, some coverage yes, but as you can see people are posting thinking this came out of the blue or is a cheap trick for the elections. I beg you to remember that this is TL and the people that post in these threads are rarely as informed as they try to sound  | ||
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NesquiKGG
100 Posts
What kind of Humans are these Israelis?..... Where are the F**king Human rights? America Bombed and killed thousands of innocent iraqis to free them from Saddam... but where is America now? this is rly getting ugly for Israel and i pray to GOD that someone gonna deal with them soon so they feel what these little kids felt when they got killed .. Amen!!!!!! | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On November 16 2012 05:56 Probe1 wrote: DeepElemBlues you have offered valuable opinions many times on this website. In this case you are incredibly wrong. So wrong that I don't even know how you could be this mistaken. There are thousands of photographs of the victims and the actual bursts themselves. You might want to warn people before clicking that link. Edit: come on guys. Seriously. Edit2: I beg you to remember that this is TL and the people that post in these threads are rarely as informed as they try to sound It's not just TL-ppl thinking that. In fact, i just need to google "israel gaza wahlen" (israel gaza elections) and i get literally thousands of hits about exact that topic. So stop trying to be "elitist", it's the media that makes you think about it. | ||
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Goozen
Israel701 Posts
On November 16 2012 05:57 NesquiKGG wrote: http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/148158_465559463485074_831201824_n.jpg What kind of Humans are these Israelis?..... Where are the F**king Human rights? America Bombed and killed thousands of innocent iraqis to free them from Saddam... but where is America now? this is rly getting ugly for Israel and i pray to GOD that someone gonna deal with them soon so they feel what these little kids felt when they got killed .. Amen!!!!!! Linking a picture with no reliable source means nothing at all. Also Hamas targets civilians so i assume you pray that they get delt with also, right? EDIT: Yup, did google image search, and its a picture from 2006 Very NSFW + Show Spoiler + | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On November 16 2012 06:01 Goozen wrote: Linking a picture with no reliable source means nothing at all. Also Hamas targets civilians so i assume you pray that they get delt with also, right? Yeah. Why take the blame for something, if you just could point fingers. Right? It's getting tiresome. Not saying that i agree with NesquiK (would have to read up on that particular topic) - but at some point you should really start to open your eyes. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
You were right to say that it is entirely gray. Neither Palestine nor Israel are fighting a righteous war without blame. Both sides are bloodied and both sides are thirsting for blood. But you want to blame Israel for refusing to give in. I doubt you would have held the same opinions if it was your own land that suffered rocket attacks and bombs. | ||
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Goozen
Israel701 Posts
On November 16 2012 06:04 m4inbrain wrote: Yeah. Why take the blame for something, if you just could point fingers. Right? It's getting tiresome. Not saying that i agree with NesquiK (would have to read up on that particular topic) - but at some point you should really start to open your eyes. Read what i posted in the edit, picture was from 2006, and yes civilians to die ive seen pictures of coffee shops hit by suicide bombers with limbs and body parts all over the place, linking it wont me any more "right" | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On November 16 2012 06:06 Goozen wrote: Read what i posted in the edit, picture was from 2006, and yes civilians to die ive seen pictures of coffee shops hit by suicide bombers with limbs and body parts all over the place, linking it wont me any more "right" what's your opinion on the white phosphorous air bursts israel shot that burned people down to their bones? do you think that is ok to do? do you think that is something a morally superior military should do? I get the impression you think it's only ok as long as its to them and not you. enough of the "yeah but they did this!" shit i want your opinion. | ||
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NesquiKGG
100 Posts
On November 16 2012 06:06 Goozen wrote: Read what i posted in the edit, picture was from 2006, and yes civilians to die ive seen pictures of coffee shops hit by suicide bombers with limbs and body parts all over the place, linking it wont me any more "right" Good to know its from 2006 ... so Israel are still killing innocend children.... and its not only 2006 there are pictures from the 19xx ..... yeaaaaaaars of killing ... and when they got bombed (as a reaction to the killing over the years) .. they double the death rate ... | ||
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