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On November 16 2012 06:06 Probe1 wrote:
I don't know how you could read my post and think it would lead to anything else. However after looking over your posts in this thread I don't regret you viewing the images. You should learn more about the lengths Israel has gone to after her citizens are attacked year after year, day after day.
You were right to say that it is entirely gray. Neither Palestine nor Israel are fighting a righteous war without blame. Both sides are bloodied and both sides are thirsting for blood. But you want to blame Israel for refusing to give in. I doubt you would have held the same opinions if it was your own land that suffered rocket attacks and bombs.
I said red. Not gray. And no, i didn't even say anything about Israel giving in, either you quote me on that, or stop putting words in my mouth. Thanks for that. Also, about the pictures: here is no age-verification, and these pictures are not even SFW. I'm not shocked about these pictures, i actually saw worse "live".
And of course, i have a different opinion on that matter as someone who is out for blood and revenge. That makes me a hell of alot more reasonable than every israeli here. I don't care for palestines, nor israelis. I get pissed off because of the hypocrisy by these guys, disregarding or justifying every warcrime Israel commits, thats all. There can NEVER be peace if israeli gov thinks everything they do is justified.
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what's your opinion on the white phosphorous air bursts israel shot that burned people down to their bones? do you think that is ok to do? do you think that is something a morally superior military should do? I get the impression you think it's only ok as long as its to them and not you. enough of the "yeah but they did this!" shit i want your opinion.
So much this.
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On November 16 2012 06:10 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 06:06 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:04 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 06:01 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 05:57 NesquiKGG wrote:http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/148158_465559463485074_831201824_n.jpg What kind of Humans are these Israelis?..... Where are the F**king Human rights? America Bombed and killed thousands of innocent iraqis to free them from Saddam... but where is America now? this is rly getting ugly for Israel and i pray to GOD that someone gonna deal with them soon so they feel what these little kids felt when they got killed .. Amen!!!!!! Linking a picture with no reliable source means nothing at all. Also Hamas targets civilians so i assume you pray that they get delt with also, right? Yeah. Why take the blame for something, if you just could point fingers. Right? It's getting tiresome. Not saying that i agree with NesquiK (would have to read up on that particular topic) - but at some point you should really start to open your eyes. Read what i posted in the edit, picture was from 2006, and yes civilians to die ive seen pictures of coffee shops hit by suicide bombers with limbs and body parts all over the place, linking it wont me any more "right" what's your opinion on the white phosphorous air bursts israel shot that burned people down to their bones? do you think that is ok to do? do you think that is something a morally superiors military should do? enough of the "yeah but they did this!" shit i want your opinion.
I never Israel didn't do this, i said they didnt target civilians, were they hurt? yes and its regrettable. The white phosphorus is used to provide cover from enemy fire and my guess is if they knew the so many civilians would be hit it wouldn't have been used. However im sure they knew there would be some casualties but if i have to choose my citizens and my soldiers over those or my enemy you know who i will pick. When you fight against a group that acts in civilian populations and uses this to their full advantage civilians will die.
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On November 16 2012 06:16 Goozen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 06:10 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:06 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:04 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 06:01 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 05:57 NesquiKGG wrote:http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/148158_465559463485074_831201824_n.jpg What kind of Humans are these Israelis?..... Where are the F**king Human rights? America Bombed and killed thousands of innocent iraqis to free them from Saddam... but where is America now? this is rly getting ugly for Israel and i pray to GOD that someone gonna deal with them soon so they feel what these little kids felt when they got killed .. Amen!!!!!! Linking a picture with no reliable source means nothing at all. Also Hamas targets civilians so i assume you pray that they get delt with also, right? Yeah. Why take the blame for something, if you just could point fingers. Right? It's getting tiresome. Not saying that i agree with NesquiK (would have to read up on that particular topic) - but at some point you should really start to open your eyes. Read what i posted in the edit, picture was from 2006, and yes civilians to die ive seen pictures of coffee shops hit by suicide bombers with limbs and body parts all over the place, linking it wont me any more "right" what's your opinion on the white phosphorous air bursts israel shot that burned people down to their bones? do you think that is ok to do? do you think that is something a morally superiors military should do? enough of the "yeah but they did this!" shit i want your opinion. I never Israel didn't do this, i said they didnt target civilians, were they hurt? yes and its regrettable. The white phosphorus is used to provide cover from enemy fire and my guess is if they knew the so many civilians would be hit it wouldn't have been used. However im sure they knew there would be some casualties but if i have to choose my citizens and my soldiers over those or my enemy you know who i will pick. When you fight against a group that acts in civilian populations and uses this to their full advantage civilians will die.
Your way of thinking really is pathetic. You are justifying everything IDF does and that line of thought is the exact obstacle to the peace in those regions.
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On November 16 2012 06:16 Goozen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 06:10 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:06 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:04 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 06:01 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 05:57 NesquiKGG wrote:http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/148158_465559463485074_831201824_n.jpg What kind of Humans are these Israelis?..... Where are the F**king Human rights? America Bombed and killed thousands of innocent iraqis to free them from Saddam... but where is America now? this is rly getting ugly for Israel and i pray to GOD that someone gonna deal with them soon so they feel what these little kids felt when they got killed .. Amen!!!!!! Linking a picture with no reliable source means nothing at all. Also Hamas targets civilians so i assume you pray that they get delt with also, right? Yeah. Why take the blame for something, if you just could point fingers. Right? It's getting tiresome. Not saying that i agree with NesquiK (would have to read up on that particular topic) - but at some point you should really start to open your eyes. Read what i posted in the edit, picture was from 2006, and yes civilians to die ive seen pictures of coffee shops hit by suicide bombers with limbs and body parts all over the place, linking it wont me any more "right" what's your opinion on the white phosphorous air bursts israel shot that burned people down to their bones? do you think that is ok to do? do you think that is something a morally superiors military should do? enough of the "yeah but they did this!" shit i want your opinion. I never Israel didn't do this, i said they didnt target civilians, were they hurt? yes and its regrettable. The white phosphorus is used to provide cover from enemy fire and my guess is if they knew the so many civilians would be hit it wouldn't have been used. However im sure they knew there would be some casualties but if i have to choose my citizens and my soldiers over those or my enemy you know who i will pick. When you fight against a group that acts in civilian populations and uses this to their full advantage civilians will die.
So you admit that rules of war actually mean nothing to Israel? That's a good start. Also, you admit that palestine civilians (you know, the guys not being hamas) are inferior to your soldiers or your civilians, where in fact they are fucking the same?
Edit: and please, don't point at hamas now. I guess i pointed out enough to you that i don't agree with them either.
Your way of thinking really is pathetic. You are justifying everything IDF does and that line of thought is the exact obstacle to the peace in those regions.
I have the same opinion.
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On November 16 2012 06:18 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 06:16 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:10 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:06 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:04 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 06:01 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 05:57 NesquiKGG wrote:http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/148158_465559463485074_831201824_n.jpg What kind of Humans are these Israelis?..... Where are the F**king Human rights? America Bombed and killed thousands of innocent iraqis to free them from Saddam... but where is America now? this is rly getting ugly for Israel and i pray to GOD that someone gonna deal with them soon so they feel what these little kids felt when they got killed .. Amen!!!!!! Linking a picture with no reliable source means nothing at all. Also Hamas targets civilians so i assume you pray that they get delt with also, right? Yeah. Why take the blame for something, if you just could point fingers. Right? It's getting tiresome. Not saying that i agree with NesquiK (would have to read up on that particular topic) - but at some point you should really start to open your eyes. Read what i posted in the edit, picture was from 2006, and yes civilians to die ive seen pictures of coffee shops hit by suicide bombers with limbs and body parts all over the place, linking it wont me any more "right" what's your opinion on the white phosphorous air bursts israel shot that burned people down to their bones? do you think that is ok to do? do you think that is something a morally superiors military should do? enough of the "yeah but they did this!" shit i want your opinion. I never Israel didn't do this, i said they didnt target civilians, were they hurt? yes and its regrettable. The white phosphorus is used to provide cover from enemy fire and my guess is if they knew the so many civilians would be hit it wouldn't have been used. However im sure they knew there would be some casualties but if i have to choose my citizens and my soldiers over those or my enemy you know who i will pick. When you fight against a group that acts in civilian populations and uses this to their full advantage civilians will die. So you admit that rules of war actually mean nothing to Israel? That's a good start. Also, you admit that palestine civilians (you know, the guys not being hamas) are inferior to your soldiers or your civilians, where in fact they are fucking the same? Edit: and please, don't point at hamas now. I guess i pointed out enough to you that i don't agree with them either.
Where did i say rules of war mean nothing exactly? White phosphorus is allowed as a tool but regrettably it hit people and as i said, had the army known that amount of collateral damage it would cause it probably wouldn't be used.
And i have no problem saying i value the life of my soldiers and civilians over those who aren't. This opinion is shared by every government in the world.
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On November 16 2012 06:16 Goozen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 06:10 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:06 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:04 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 06:01 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 05:57 NesquiKGG wrote:http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/148158_465559463485074_831201824_n.jpg What kind of Humans are these Israelis?..... Where are the F**king Human rights? America Bombed and killed thousands of innocent iraqis to free them from Saddam... but where is America now? this is rly getting ugly for Israel and i pray to GOD that someone gonna deal with them soon so they feel what these little kids felt when they got killed .. Amen!!!!!! Linking a picture with no reliable source means nothing at all. Also Hamas targets civilians so i assume you pray that they get delt with also, right? Yeah. Why take the blame for something, if you just could point fingers. Right? It's getting tiresome. Not saying that i agree with NesquiK (would have to read up on that particular topic) - but at some point you should really start to open your eyes. Read what i posted in the edit, picture was from 2006, and yes civilians to die ive seen pictures of coffee shops hit by suicide bombers with limbs and body parts all over the place, linking it wont me any more "right" what's your opinion on the white phosphorous air bursts israel shot that burned people down to their bones? do you think that is ok to do? do you think that is something a morally superiors military should do? enough of the "yeah but they did this!" shit i want your opinion. I never Israel didn't do this, i said they didnt target civilians, were they hurt? yes and its regrettable. The white phosphorus is used to provide cover from enemy fire and my guess is if they knew the so many civilians would be hit it wouldn't have been used. However im sure they knew there would be some casualties but if i have to choose my citizens and my soldiers over those or my enemy you know who i will pick. When you fight against a group that acts in civilian populations and uses this to their full advantage civilians will die.
Understandable that it's pretty hard to have any opinion other than sucks to be them when the Palestinians have no sovereign government to protect them. And Israel bears no responsibility for that, therefore should fully take advantage of that fact to have lower its regard for Palestinian civilians.
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On November 16 2012 06:16 Goozen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 06:10 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:06 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:04 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 06:01 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 05:57 NesquiKGG wrote:http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/148158_465559463485074_831201824_n.jpg What kind of Humans are these Israelis?..... Where are the F**king Human rights? America Bombed and killed thousands of innocent iraqis to free them from Saddam... but where is America now? this is rly getting ugly for Israel and i pray to GOD that someone gonna deal with them soon so they feel what these little kids felt when they got killed .. Amen!!!!!! Linking a picture with no reliable source means nothing at all. Also Hamas targets civilians so i assume you pray that they get delt with also, right? Yeah. Why take the blame for something, if you just could point fingers. Right? It's getting tiresome. Not saying that i agree with NesquiK (would have to read up on that particular topic) - but at some point you should really start to open your eyes. Read what i posted in the edit, picture was from 2006, and yes civilians to die ive seen pictures of coffee shops hit by suicide bombers with limbs and body parts all over the place, linking it wont me any more "right" what's your opinion on the white phosphorous air bursts israel shot that burned people down to their bones? do you think that is ok to do? do you think that is something a morally superiors military should do? enough of the "yeah but they did this!" shit i want your opinion. I never Israel didn't do this, i said they didnt target civilians, were they hurt? yes and its regrettable. The white phosphorus is used to provide cover from enemy fire and my guess is if they knew the so many civilians would be hit it wouldn't have been used. However im sure they knew there would be some casualties but if i have to choose my citizens and my soldiers over those or my enemy you know who i will pick. When you fight against a group that acts in civilian populations and uses this to their full advantage civilians will die.
this is what i assumed, you don't see them as civilians but enemies. your strange assumption that every Palestinian is the enemy and wants you to die is delusional. you have drank the kool aid my friend. your military makes the enemies then dehumanizes them. it's a really sad situation.
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On November 16 2012 06:25 Goozen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 06:18 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 06:16 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:10 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:06 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:04 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 06:01 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 05:57 NesquiKGG wrote:http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/148158_465559463485074_831201824_n.jpg What kind of Humans are these Israelis?..... Where are the F**king Human rights? America Bombed and killed thousands of innocent iraqis to free them from Saddam... but where is America now? this is rly getting ugly for Israel and i pray to GOD that someone gonna deal with them soon so they feel what these little kids felt when they got killed .. Amen!!!!!! Linking a picture with no reliable source means nothing at all. Also Hamas targets civilians so i assume you pray that they get delt with also, right? Yeah. Why take the blame for something, if you just could point fingers. Right? It's getting tiresome. Not saying that i agree with NesquiK (would have to read up on that particular topic) - but at some point you should really start to open your eyes. Read what i posted in the edit, picture was from 2006, and yes civilians to die ive seen pictures of coffee shops hit by suicide bombers with limbs and body parts all over the place, linking it wont me any more "right" what's your opinion on the white phosphorous air bursts israel shot that burned people down to their bones? do you think that is ok to do? do you think that is something a morally superiors military should do? enough of the "yeah but they did this!" shit i want your opinion. I never Israel didn't do this, i said they didnt target civilians, were they hurt? yes and its regrettable. The white phosphorus is used to provide cover from enemy fire and my guess is if they knew the so many civilians would be hit it wouldn't have been used. However im sure they knew there would be some casualties but if i have to choose my citizens and my soldiers over those or my enemy you know who i will pick. When you fight against a group that acts in civilian populations and uses this to their full advantage civilians will die. So you admit that rules of war actually mean nothing to Israel? That's a good start. Also, you admit that palestine civilians (you know, the guys not being hamas) are inferior to your soldiers or your civilians, where in fact they are fucking the same? Edit: and please, don't point at hamas now. I guess i pointed out enough to you that i don't agree with them either. Where did i say rules of war mean nothing exactly? White phosphorus is allowed as a tool but regrettably it hit people and as i said, had the army known that amount of collateral damage it would cause it probably wouldn't be used. And i have no problem saying i value the life of my soldiers and civilians over those who aren't. This opinion is shared by every government in the world.
This is why I don't understand Israel as a country. You cannot question yourself even once. At least the US questionned themselves after torturing talibans or suspects of terrorism.
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On November 16 2012 06:25 Goozen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 06:18 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 06:16 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:10 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:06 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:04 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 06:01 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 05:57 NesquiKGG wrote:http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/148158_465559463485074_831201824_n.jpg What kind of Humans are these Israelis?..... Where are the F**king Human rights? America Bombed and killed thousands of innocent iraqis to free them from Saddam... but where is America now? this is rly getting ugly for Israel and i pray to GOD that someone gonna deal with them soon so they feel what these little kids felt when they got killed .. Amen!!!!!! Linking a picture with no reliable source means nothing at all. Also Hamas targets civilians so i assume you pray that they get delt with also, right? Yeah. Why take the blame for something, if you just could point fingers. Right? It's getting tiresome. Not saying that i agree with NesquiK (would have to read up on that particular topic) - but at some point you should really start to open your eyes. Read what i posted in the edit, picture was from 2006, and yes civilians to die ive seen pictures of coffee shops hit by suicide bombers with limbs and body parts all over the place, linking it wont me any more "right" what's your opinion on the white phosphorous air bursts israel shot that burned people down to their bones? do you think that is ok to do? do you think that is something a morally superiors military should do? enough of the "yeah but they did this!" shit i want your opinion. I never Israel didn't do this, i said they didnt target civilians, were they hurt? yes and its regrettable. The white phosphorus is used to provide cover from enemy fire and my guess is if they knew the so many civilians would be hit it wouldn't have been used. However im sure they knew there would be some casualties but if i have to choose my citizens and my soldiers over those or my enemy you know who i will pick. When you fight against a group that acts in civilian populations and uses this to their full advantage civilians will die. So you admit that rules of war actually mean nothing to Israel? That's a good start. Also, you admit that palestine civilians (you know, the guys not being hamas) are inferior to your soldiers or your civilians, where in fact they are fucking the same? Edit: and please, don't point at hamas now. I guess i pointed out enough to you that i don't agree with them either. Where did i say rules of war mean nothing exactly? White phosphorus is allowed as a tool but regrettably it hit people and as i said, had the army known that amount of collateral damage it would cause it probably wouldn't be known. And i have no problem saying i value the life of my soldiers and civilians over those who aren't. This opinion is shared by every government in the world.
WP is not allowed in civilian areas. In which they were used. There is NO WAY to not hit civilians in a civilian area, except if you evacuate them beforehand. Did Israel do this? Did they give an indication that they will use that stuff? They did not. You saying "yeah i will do whats needed" includes what happened there. And it IS a warcrime if you do not check if there are civilians in the area you're going to bomb with that stuff. Don't you get it? They're banned as soon as there is a chance of hitting civilians, which in case of a hospital or another civil region is quite likely. They are not allowed to use WP in that area, outright. Do you get it now?
Actually, you're plain disgusting. Let me tell you that as someone who learned in school how bad it is to treat some people as people of 2nd class or worse.
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luckily, not all israelis are like you, i know that from experience. There are guys out there, who actually question the IDF/Government, and it's a joy to discuss with them. Sadly, only over teamspeak.
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On November 16 2012 06:30 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 06:16 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:10 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:06 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:04 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 06:01 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 05:57 NesquiKGG wrote:http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/148158_465559463485074_831201824_n.jpg What kind of Humans are these Israelis?..... Where are the F**king Human rights? America Bombed and killed thousands of innocent iraqis to free them from Saddam... but where is America now? this is rly getting ugly for Israel and i pray to GOD that someone gonna deal with them soon so they feel what these little kids felt when they got killed .. Amen!!!!!! Linking a picture with no reliable source means nothing at all. Also Hamas targets civilians so i assume you pray that they get delt with also, right? Yeah. Why take the blame for something, if you just could point fingers. Right? It's getting tiresome. Not saying that i agree with NesquiK (would have to read up on that particular topic) - but at some point you should really start to open your eyes. Read what i posted in the edit, picture was from 2006, and yes civilians to die ive seen pictures of coffee shops hit by suicide bombers with limbs and body parts all over the place, linking it wont me any more "right" what's your opinion on the white phosphorous air bursts israel shot that burned people down to their bones? do you think that is ok to do? do you think that is something a morally superiors military should do? enough of the "yeah but they did this!" shit i want your opinion. I never Israel didn't do this, i said they didnt target civilians, were they hurt? yes and its regrettable. The white phosphorus is used to provide cover from enemy fire and my guess is if they knew the so many civilians would be hit it wouldn't have been used. However im sure they knew there would be some casualties but if i have to choose my citizens and my soldiers over those or my enemy you know who i will pick. When you fight against a group that acts in civilian populations and uses this to their full advantage civilians will die. this is what i assumed, you don't see them as civilians but enemies. your strange assumption that every Palestinian is the enemy and wants you to die is delusional. you have drank the kool aid my friend. your military makes the enemies then dehumanizes them. it's a really sad situation.
So if i had to choose a life of say a swede or a Israeli soldier i should choose the swede? Hamas actions have popular support and were elected by a majority so its hard for me to see them as innocent or worth the death of Israeli soldiers.
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On November 16 2012 06:33 Goozen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 06:30 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:16 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:10 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:06 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:04 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 06:01 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 05:57 NesquiKGG wrote:http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/148158_465559463485074_831201824_n.jpg What kind of Humans are these Israelis?..... Where are the F**king Human rights? America Bombed and killed thousands of innocent iraqis to free them from Saddam... but where is America now? this is rly getting ugly for Israel and i pray to GOD that someone gonna deal with them soon so they feel what these little kids felt when they got killed .. Amen!!!!!! Linking a picture with no reliable source means nothing at all. Also Hamas targets civilians so i assume you pray that they get delt with also, right? Yeah. Why take the blame for something, if you just could point fingers. Right? It's getting tiresome. Not saying that i agree with NesquiK (would have to read up on that particular topic) - but at some point you should really start to open your eyes. Read what i posted in the edit, picture was from 2006, and yes civilians to die ive seen pictures of coffee shops hit by suicide bombers with limbs and body parts all over the place, linking it wont me any more "right" what's your opinion on the white phosphorous air bursts israel shot that burned people down to their bones? do you think that is ok to do? do you think that is something a morally superiors military should do? enough of the "yeah but they did this!" shit i want your opinion. I never Israel didn't do this, i said they didnt target civilians, were they hurt? yes and its regrettable. The white phosphorus is used to provide cover from enemy fire and my guess is if they knew the so many civilians would be hit it wouldn't have been used. However im sure they knew there would be some casualties but if i have to choose my citizens and my soldiers over those or my enemy you know who i will pick. When you fight against a group that acts in civilian populations and uses this to their full advantage civilians will die. this is what i assumed, you don't see them as civilians but enemies. your strange assumption that every Palestinian is the enemy and wants you to die is delusional. you have drank the kool aid my friend. your military makes the enemies then dehumanizes them. it's a really sad situation. So if i had to choose a life of say a swede or a Israeli soldier i should choose the swede? Hamas actions have popular support and were elected by a majority so its hard for me to see them as innocent or worth the death of Israeli soldiers.
Of course ? A soldier is supposed to give his life for his country, a civilian didn't ask for shit.
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On November 16 2012 06:33 Goozen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 06:30 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:16 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:10 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:06 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:04 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 06:01 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 05:57 NesquiKGG wrote:http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/148158_465559463485074_831201824_n.jpg What kind of Humans are these Israelis?..... Where are the F**king Human rights? America Bombed and killed thousands of innocent iraqis to free them from Saddam... but where is America now? this is rly getting ugly for Israel and i pray to GOD that someone gonna deal with them soon so they feel what these little kids felt when they got killed .. Amen!!!!!! Linking a picture with no reliable source means nothing at all. Also Hamas targets civilians so i assume you pray that they get delt with also, right? Yeah. Why take the blame for something, if you just could point fingers. Right? It's getting tiresome. Not saying that i agree with NesquiK (would have to read up on that particular topic) - but at some point you should really start to open your eyes. Read what i posted in the edit, picture was from 2006, and yes civilians to die ive seen pictures of coffee shops hit by suicide bombers with limbs and body parts all over the place, linking it wont me any more "right" what's your opinion on the white phosphorous air bursts israel shot that burned people down to their bones? do you think that is ok to do? do you think that is something a morally superiors military should do? enough of the "yeah but they did this!" shit i want your opinion. I never Israel didn't do this, i said they didnt target civilians, were they hurt? yes and its regrettable. The white phosphorus is used to provide cover from enemy fire and my guess is if they knew the so many civilians would be hit it wouldn't have been used. However im sure they knew there would be some casualties but if i have to choose my citizens and my soldiers over those or my enemy you know who i will pick. When you fight against a group that acts in civilian populations and uses this to their full advantage civilians will die. this is what i assumed, you don't see them as civilians but enemies. your strange assumption that every Palestinian is the enemy and wants you to die is delusional. you have drank the kool aid my friend. your military makes the enemies then dehumanizes them. it's a really sad situation. So if i had to choose a life of say a swede or a Israeli soldier i should choose the swede? Hamas actions have popular support and were elected by a majority so its hard for me to see them as innocent or worth the death of Israeli soldiers.
Anwar al-Awlaki said the same thing about Americans. That made him a terrorist. If the majority of Israelis think like that, than we have a problem.
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On November 16 2012 06:35 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 06:33 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:30 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:16 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:10 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:06 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:04 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 06:01 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 05:57 NesquiKGG wrote:http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/148158_465559463485074_831201824_n.jpg What kind of Humans are these Israelis?..... Where are the F**king Human rights? America Bombed and killed thousands of innocent iraqis to free them from Saddam... but where is America now? this is rly getting ugly for Israel and i pray to GOD that someone gonna deal with them soon so they feel what these little kids felt when they got killed .. Amen!!!!!! Linking a picture with no reliable source means nothing at all. Also Hamas targets civilians so i assume you pray that they get delt with also, right? Yeah. Why take the blame for something, if you just could point fingers. Right? It's getting tiresome. Not saying that i agree with NesquiK (would have to read up on that particular topic) - but at some point you should really start to open your eyes. Read what i posted in the edit, picture was from 2006, and yes civilians to die ive seen pictures of coffee shops hit by suicide bombers with limbs and body parts all over the place, linking it wont me any more "right" what's your opinion on the white phosphorous air bursts israel shot that burned people down to their bones? do you think that is ok to do? do you think that is something a morally superiors military should do? enough of the "yeah but they did this!" shit i want your opinion. I never Israel didn't do this, i said they didnt target civilians, were they hurt? yes and its regrettable. The white phosphorus is used to provide cover from enemy fire and my guess is if they knew the so many civilians would be hit it wouldn't have been used. However im sure they knew there would be some casualties but if i have to choose my citizens and my soldiers over those or my enemy you know who i will pick. When you fight against a group that acts in civilian populations and uses this to their full advantage civilians will die. this is what i assumed, you don't see them as civilians but enemies. your strange assumption that every Palestinian is the enemy and wants you to die is delusional. you have drank the kool aid my friend. your military makes the enemies then dehumanizes them. it's a really sad situation. So if i had to choose a life of say a swede or a Israeli soldier i should choose the swede? Hamas actions have popular support and were elected by a majority so its hard for me to see them as innocent or worth the death of Israeli soldiers. Of course ? A soldier is supposed to give his life for his country, a civilian didn't ask for shit.
Clearly you are forgetting that military service is mandatory here. That why nothing breaks public morale faster the the deaths of soldiers.
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On November 16 2012 06:33 Goozen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 06:30 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:16 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:10 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:06 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:04 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 06:01 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 05:57 NesquiKGG wrote:http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/148158_465559463485074_831201824_n.jpg What kind of Humans are these Israelis?..... Where are the F**king Human rights? America Bombed and killed thousands of innocent iraqis to free them from Saddam... but where is America now? this is rly getting ugly for Israel and i pray to GOD that someone gonna deal with them soon so they feel what these little kids felt when they got killed .. Amen!!!!!! Linking a picture with no reliable source means nothing at all. Also Hamas targets civilians so i assume you pray that they get delt with also, right? Yeah. Why take the blame for something, if you just could point fingers. Right? It's getting tiresome. Not saying that i agree with NesquiK (would have to read up on that particular topic) - but at some point you should really start to open your eyes. Read what i posted in the edit, picture was from 2006, and yes civilians to die ive seen pictures of coffee shops hit by suicide bombers with limbs and body parts all over the place, linking it wont me any more "right" what's your opinion on the white phosphorous air bursts israel shot that burned people down to their bones? do you think that is ok to do? do you think that is something a morally superiors military should do? enough of the "yeah but they did this!" shit i want your opinion. I never Israel didn't do this, i said they didnt target civilians, were they hurt? yes and its regrettable. The white phosphorus is used to provide cover from enemy fire and my guess is if they knew the so many civilians would be hit it wouldn't have been used. However im sure they knew there would be some casualties but if i have to choose my citizens and my soldiers over those or my enemy you know who i will pick. When you fight against a group that acts in civilian populations and uses this to their full advantage civilians will die. this is what i assumed, you don't see them as civilians but enemies. your strange assumption that every Palestinian is the enemy and wants you to die is delusional. you have drank the kool aid my friend. your military makes the enemies then dehumanizes them. it's a really sad situation. So if i had to choose a life of say a swede or a Israeli soldier i should choose the swede? Hamas actions have popular support and were elected by a majority so its hard for me to see them as innocent or worth the death of Israeli soldiers.
What if the Israeli just shot a WP grenade into a civilian area, and the swede shot back? Is it still the swede that should die in your eyes?
One last time, the IDF and your government commit as much atrocities (beginning from stealing credit cards to plain murder) as the hamas. What you should do is to despise these actions, regardless of who they're coming from. Yet, you despise hamas, and justify the IDF. Do you even get, why there will be never peace with that opinion? Please answer that question, its actually meant honest.
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On November 16 2012 06:37 Goozen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 06:35 WhiteDog wrote:On November 16 2012 06:33 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:30 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:16 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:10 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:06 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:04 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 06:01 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 05:57 NesquiKGG wrote:http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/148158_465559463485074_831201824_n.jpg What kind of Humans are these Israelis?..... Where are the F**king Human rights? America Bombed and killed thousands of innocent iraqis to free them from Saddam... but where is America now? this is rly getting ugly for Israel and i pray to GOD that someone gonna deal with them soon so they feel what these little kids felt when they got killed .. Amen!!!!!! Linking a picture with no reliable source means nothing at all. Also Hamas targets civilians so i assume you pray that they get delt with also, right? Yeah. Why take the blame for something, if you just could point fingers. Right? It's getting tiresome. Not saying that i agree with NesquiK (would have to read up on that particular topic) - but at some point you should really start to open your eyes. Read what i posted in the edit, picture was from 2006, and yes civilians to die ive seen pictures of coffee shops hit by suicide bombers with limbs and body parts all over the place, linking it wont me any more "right" what's your opinion on the white phosphorous air bursts israel shot that burned people down to their bones? do you think that is ok to do? do you think that is something a morally superiors military should do? enough of the "yeah but they did this!" shit i want your opinion. I never Israel didn't do this, i said they didnt target civilians, were they hurt? yes and its regrettable. The white phosphorus is used to provide cover from enemy fire and my guess is if they knew the so many civilians would be hit it wouldn't have been used. However im sure they knew there would be some casualties but if i have to choose my citizens and my soldiers over those or my enemy you know who i will pick. When you fight against a group that acts in civilian populations and uses this to their full advantage civilians will die. this is what i assumed, you don't see them as civilians but enemies. your strange assumption that every Palestinian is the enemy and wants you to die is delusional. you have drank the kool aid my friend. your military makes the enemies then dehumanizes them. it's a really sad situation. So if i had to choose a life of say a swede or a Israeli soldier i should choose the swede? Hamas actions have popular support and were elected by a majority so its hard for me to see them as innocent or worth the death of Israeli soldiers. Of course ? A soldier is supposed to give his life for his country, a civilian didn't ask for shit. Clearly you are forgetting that military service is mandatory here. That why nothing breaks public morale faster the the deaths of soldiers.
Then don't make it mandatory, if you send your youth to the battle field it's on you. Is this the reason why you accept anything ? Ho an IDF soldier shot a little girl, poor guy he is just a young boy on his military service. Doesn't change, if you are at war, you are responsible for your action as a soldier. Also there are plenty of ways to evade the military service, the young french jew kid who goes over to Israel for his military service is not an innocent poor guy obligated by law for me.
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On November 16 2012 06:36 Art.FeeL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 06:33 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:30 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:16 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:10 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:06 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:04 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 06:01 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 05:57 NesquiKGG wrote:http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/148158_465559463485074_831201824_n.jpg What kind of Humans are these Israelis?..... Where are the F**king Human rights? America Bombed and killed thousands of innocent iraqis to free them from Saddam... but where is America now? this is rly getting ugly for Israel and i pray to GOD that someone gonna deal with them soon so they feel what these little kids felt when they got killed .. Amen!!!!!! Linking a picture with no reliable source means nothing at all. Also Hamas targets civilians so i assume you pray that they get delt with also, right? Yeah. Why take the blame for something, if you just could point fingers. Right? It's getting tiresome. Not saying that i agree with NesquiK (would have to read up on that particular topic) - but at some point you should really start to open your eyes. Read what i posted in the edit, picture was from 2006, and yes civilians to die ive seen pictures of coffee shops hit by suicide bombers with limbs and body parts all over the place, linking it wont me any more "right" what's your opinion on the white phosphorous air bursts israel shot that burned people down to their bones? do you think that is ok to do? do you think that is something a morally superiors military should do? enough of the "yeah but they did this!" shit i want your opinion. I never Israel didn't do this, i said they didnt target civilians, were they hurt? yes and its regrettable. The white phosphorus is used to provide cover from enemy fire and my guess is if they knew the so many civilians would be hit it wouldn't have been used. However im sure they knew there would be some casualties but if i have to choose my citizens and my soldiers over those or my enemy you know who i will pick. When you fight against a group that acts in civilian populations and uses this to their full advantage civilians will die. this is what i assumed, you don't see them as civilians but enemies. your strange assumption that every Palestinian is the enemy and wants you to die is delusional. you have drank the kool aid my friend. your military makes the enemies then dehumanizes them. it's a really sad situation. So if i had to choose a life of say a swede or a Israeli soldier i should choose the swede? Hamas actions have popular support and were elected by a majority so its hard for me to see them as innocent or worth the death of Israeli soldiers. Anwar al-Awlaki said the same thing about Americans. That made him a terrorist. If the majority of Israelis think like that, than we have a problem.
I never said they are legitimate targets and i wont say ever say that. What i am saying is if i have to choose the life of a Palestinian civilian or Israel soldier i would choose the soldier.
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Then don't make it mandatory
That's actually pretty easy. Germany just did that, worked out great.
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On November 16 2012 06:39 Goozen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 06:36 Art.FeeL wrote:On November 16 2012 06:33 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:30 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:16 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:10 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:06 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:04 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 06:01 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 05:57 NesquiKGG wrote:http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/148158_465559463485074_831201824_n.jpg What kind of Humans are these Israelis?..... Where are the F**king Human rights? America Bombed and killed thousands of innocent iraqis to free them from Saddam... but where is America now? this is rly getting ugly for Israel and i pray to GOD that someone gonna deal with them soon so they feel what these little kids felt when they got killed .. Amen!!!!!! Linking a picture with no reliable source means nothing at all. Also Hamas targets civilians so i assume you pray that they get delt with also, right? Yeah. Why take the blame for something, if you just could point fingers. Right? It's getting tiresome. Not saying that i agree with NesquiK (would have to read up on that particular topic) - but at some point you should really start to open your eyes. Read what i posted in the edit, picture was from 2006, and yes civilians to die ive seen pictures of coffee shops hit by suicide bombers with limbs and body parts all over the place, linking it wont me any more "right" what's your opinion on the white phosphorous air bursts israel shot that burned people down to their bones? do you think that is ok to do? do you think that is something a morally superiors military should do? enough of the "yeah but they did this!" shit i want your opinion. I never Israel didn't do this, i said they didnt target civilians, were they hurt? yes and its regrettable. The white phosphorus is used to provide cover from enemy fire and my guess is if they knew the so many civilians would be hit it wouldn't have been used. However im sure they knew there would be some casualties but if i have to choose my citizens and my soldiers over those or my enemy you know who i will pick. When you fight against a group that acts in civilian populations and uses this to their full advantage civilians will die. this is what i assumed, you don't see them as civilians but enemies. your strange assumption that every Palestinian is the enemy and wants you to die is delusional. you have drank the kool aid my friend. your military makes the enemies then dehumanizes them. it's a really sad situation. So if i had to choose a life of say a swede or a Israeli soldier i should choose the swede? Hamas actions have popular support and were elected by a majority so its hard for me to see them as innocent or worth the death of Israeli soldiers. Anwar al-Awlaki said the same thing about Americans. That made him a terrorist. If the majority of Israelis think like that, than we have a problem. I never said they are legitimate targets and i wont say ever say that. What i am saying is if i have to choose the life of a Palestinian civilian or Israel soldier i would choose the soldier.
You also said that it was hard for your to see Palestinian civilians as innocent, and if someone isn't innocent he has to be guilty, no?
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On November 16 2012 06:40 m4inbrain wrote:That's actually pretty easy. Germany just did that, worked out great.
I know, it's the same in France. A professionnal army can be of use.
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On November 16 2012 06:37 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 06:33 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:30 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:16 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:10 heliusx wrote:On November 16 2012 06:06 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 06:04 m4inbrain wrote:On November 16 2012 06:01 Goozen wrote:On November 16 2012 05:57 NesquiKGG wrote:http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/148158_465559463485074_831201824_n.jpg What kind of Humans are these Israelis?..... Where are the F**king Human rights? America Bombed and killed thousands of innocent iraqis to free them from Saddam... but where is America now? this is rly getting ugly for Israel and i pray to GOD that someone gonna deal with them soon so they feel what these little kids felt when they got killed .. Amen!!!!!! Linking a picture with no reliable source means nothing at all. Also Hamas targets civilians so i assume you pray that they get delt with also, right? Yeah. Why take the blame for something, if you just could point fingers. Right? It's getting tiresome. Not saying that i agree with NesquiK (would have to read up on that particular topic) - but at some point you should really start to open your eyes. Read what i posted in the edit, picture was from 2006, and yes civilians to die ive seen pictures of coffee shops hit by suicide bombers with limbs and body parts all over the place, linking it wont me any more "right" what's your opinion on the white phosphorous air bursts israel shot that burned people down to their bones? do you think that is ok to do? do you think that is something a morally superiors military should do? enough of the "yeah but they did this!" shit i want your opinion. I never Israel didn't do this, i said they didnt target civilians, were they hurt? yes and its regrettable. The white phosphorus is used to provide cover from enemy fire and my guess is if they knew the so many civilians would be hit it wouldn't have been used. However im sure they knew there would be some casualties but if i have to choose my citizens and my soldiers over those or my enemy you know who i will pick. When you fight against a group that acts in civilian populations and uses this to their full advantage civilians will die. this is what i assumed, you don't see them as civilians but enemies. your strange assumption that every Palestinian is the enemy and wants you to die is delusional. you have drank the kool aid my friend. your military makes the enemies then dehumanizes them. it's a really sad situation. So if i had to choose a life of say a swede or a Israeli soldier i should choose the swede? Hamas actions have popular support and were elected by a majority so its hard for me to see them as innocent or worth the death of Israeli soldiers. What if the Israeli just shot a WP grenade into a civilian area, and the swede shot back? Is it still the swede that should die in your eyes? One last time, the IDF and your government commit as much atrocities (beginning from stealing credit cards to plain murder) as the hamas. What you should do is to despise these actions, regardless of who they're coming from. Yet, you despise hamas, and justify the IDF. Do you even get, why there will be never peace with that opinion? Please answer that question, its actually meant honest.
All the cases of people who have been found guilty of anything from theft till murder have been jailed and rightfully so. I do believe in high standards but not at the cost of the life or safety of Israelis. If the Palestinians believed the same and had a higher value for life instead of sending people to do attacks that result in their death i believe peace would come a lot faster.
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