On October 04 2012 00:16 ThePhan2m wrote: I think it was time for BW to die. The game stopped to evolve in any major way the last years. Eventually SC2 will do the same after all the expansions, patches + 5 years and some other game will come along. The unique thing with BW was that it gave the raise of an unique game and the very idea of RTS e-sports. The next coming games will be figured out faster due to BW. BW was the ABC of RTS and will always be. Maybe it will be popular again when a peak in technology reaches and a renaissance of gaming starts.
Should chess die because it hasn't evolved in "any major way" the last years?
On October 03 2012 17:40 asiantraceur wrote: Get a petition from people saying they'll buy the game from Blizzard...also try to update graphics? I know a lot of people are attracted to SC2 cuz of "good graphics"
StarCraft 2 graphic is not good. It was outdated from a very start.
Then show me better multiplayer looking rts game. Sc 2 looks really nice on ultra
On October 03 2012 11:05 greenelve wrote: If SC2 has not the sucess to fill the spot that BW had and if SSL becomes so extreme popular that TV Channels want to have it...well....then BW could come back...
So if korean audience wants BW back, it could come back... BW popularity was fading, teams become less over the past years, from 12 to 7 + 1 unsponsored (Team 8)
What ? Everyone love but , but please stick to facts and dont lie. Sc2 in more popular game that BW. Look at tournaments , prize pools , number of teams.. how much people is playing Sc 2 , look at huge sponsors , team houses etc etc How BW was bigger then this ? can you explain ? And you still forgot Sc2 has only 2 years.. i can bet 100$ you dont even play BW when it was 2 years old.
Ps. Fun fact There was no TeamLiquid when sc/bw was two years old..
This hurt my soul to read. Broodwar had all of that in its peak, not to mention the fact its a better game in general.
I loved bw very much , read my edit up . but we must stick to facts and keep going..This is epic game ! best rts ever made , but bw is to old and this is a fact , there is no way that game that old can be huge in 2012/13 , no way.. :/
Than there is no other way but to wait for CoH 2 or switch to LoL XD
On October 03 2012 17:40 asiantraceur wrote: Get a petition from people saying they'll buy the game from Blizzard...also try to update graphics? I know a lot of people are attracted to SC2 cuz of "good graphics"
StarCraft 2 graphic is not good. It was outdated from a very start.
Then show me better multiplayer looking rts game. Sc 2 looks really nice on ultra
Are you living under the rock? Company of Heroes have better graphics than this.
On October 03 2012 23:44 reincremate wrote: [..."auto decide result of the game" ...]
ROTFL :D
A breathe of fresh joke in a heavy atmosphere of this thread. There are two genres of gamers: - lets play sth new every 5 minutes (we shouldn't care about them, but they count for sale volume) - lets play a good game All new games look more or less the same, and in my opinion the work of graphic designers reached the point, you cannot be really suprised, with new design. So unless there is virtual reality revolution in gaming, lesser number of serious gamers will pick new products. And though there is rather no chance for BW to return to the days of 2005-2009, I believe, it will regain strong recognition from people willing to be challenged, and not entertained by computers.
There is no point for a professional scene. BW is old. Graphics are [i[very dated. We can hope for the best but in reality I believe it won't happen. StarCraft 2 is more interesting in my opinion as it still evolving. Brood War I hate to say to be is static. You know people tend to execute the same build orders over and over again of course there is some deviation but not to the extent you get with the StarCraft 2.
Also on a side of watching because I'm mainly a viewer not a player StarCraft 2 looks and sounds very nice. I love the casters for SC2, the production value of some events like the GSL GSTL is crazy good. There is big money rewards for winning tournaments for players as well. Would I rather practice for days / months to win 500$ from GC or would I rather win 50,000$ from one of the four seasons of IPL? Would I rather practice on a ladder that I auto-match makes me within 30 seconds or shorter or wait in a game lobby up to 20 minutes to get into a BW game.
I also like the ability to cheer US players back at home as well. I like the Korean Scene but when I see SeleCt or Machine play I always cheer for them. Like they represent the USA in some way. I guess you could argue that Bakuryu has the same feel on Germans, I don't know but I don't get this feeling from BW.
As for your point to relive Brood War. If you want to have it "rise up to were it once was before as an eSport" do something about it. Help out with the community and help organize tournaments help raise cash for tournaments if its something you want to see. Generally this is the point where people will look the other way and either continue to practice because they hope there will be another tournament or you get someone like Eywa- who goes around all of Europe getting sponsors for his huge Winter 2013 tournament. This is an extreme case, he is one person. I believe, if you had as devoted fans as he was Brood War might become once it was but I think there is a minimal possibility that this would happen.
EDIT: Also time zones are yucky to meet up with players for matches.
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And I would like to add 1 more thing to what I said earlier. While SC2 IS evolving the majority of it's mutations as you could call them are caused by Blizzards patching.
On October 03 2012 16:19 Ribbon wrote: Depends upon the level of your expectations. BW's not going to be able to sponser 12 teams of full-time players making decent wages off it again any time in the near future, but it definately has a lot of room to grow, and have at least a few sizable tournaments a year. And from there, try to have a few more the next year. We should stop worrying about recapturing the old magic, and just try to get bigger and bigger.
You know what would be a good idea, actually? Someone with a trusted reputation for hosting tournaments should do a Kickstarter for a BW tournament. That kind of thing seems to work really well for the small-but-dedicated fanbases out there, of which BW is one. There are a lot of people who want to sponsor BW, but don't have enough money to sponsor a tournament themselves. I bet we could Kickstart up a tournament of, say, $1000 pretty easily, actually. Maybe even $2,500. And then we have a show to put on, and all the BW fans can go out and hype it the way SC2 fans can get insufferable about their game. Get some fans, maybe sell some T-shirts or something. Do it again a few months later with a slightly larger fanbase, and smaller tournaments keeping the scene afloat.
This is what I've suggest in the Zotac thread and in another thread like 4 months ago, but nobody just does it. I mean I personally would, but I just feel I would fuck up somewhere along the way and so I won't. I did throw out the idea so somebody with experience with organization would do it.
Going back to the OP, its not going to happen unless someone has enough money to sponsor the money AND Blizzard is willing to allow it (though many people are running BW tournaments and Blizzard doesn't care, if something as big as KeSPA-BW era tournament happens, they will step in with the IP issues and such).
On October 03 2012 20:13 Pucca wrote: When I said BW being static I mean a majority of games are on FS. Lower tier gamers, which there is a lot of coverage now, are very similar to each other IMO. As for my DOTA comment I know Bnet 2.0 isn't hackable thats why I said some off site the players can upload to. But I don't think thread is going to get anywhere. It will just make ourselves feel sad. BW fighting.
Trust me it is hackable and people already found ways of LANning the problem is that it's not LEGAL (Well kind off you can get sued and shit)
On October 03 2012 22:34 NuKE[vZ] wrote: No because Starcraft2 is bigger internationally which is appealing to sponsors in the Korean market. Not to mention Starcraft 2 isn't a bad game, and HoTS will be better than BW.
Play it for fun, but please come over to Sc2/HotS and help us grow it even bigger than ever.
Sorry but as a top master sc2 player who never really played BW(except campaign and vs bots) I can tell you that because of hots I started to love BW and I began to train it hard (D+, gonna be C- soon !!!!). I could stand auto mine in sc2 or selecting infinity of units in one group, but when I saw in hots things like workers being automatically sent to the minerals on the beginning of the game I couldn't stop laughing. No, I will not join hots because of it's skill cap and possibility of being very good with 70 APM. For me being a good rts player is to have great decision making and be very good mechanically. I guess in lotv there will be option "auto decide result of the game" like when you come back tired after school or work you can just check this option and play ladder by doing nothing.
But with better features like "auto decide result of the game" players can focus on actual strategy, and not be so embroiled in superfluous things like mechanics and decision making. Plus the graphics alone will make LotV the greatest e-sport of all time. Because in the end the advancement of e-sports on an international level is all that really matters.
I am not sure if you are trolling or talking seriously now. If for you the greatest e-sport game of all time is chosen by graphics alone then it wouldn't be LotV for sure. Thats the one thing. The second thing is that to be successfull you can't be good just at strategy and be bad mechanically and/or making bad decisions. This rule applies to every freakin sport. If you play soccer and you score a goal it is not only because you had great situation, it is because you managed to create great situation by good ball passes, good shot etc. The same goes on with SC. If you have your own sick strategy that kills everyone and suddenly someone do some gimmicky build to you, you will end up losing because you will not make proper decision due to your bad decision making as well as you will not be able to do those decisions quickly because your mechanics will not be used to improvising.
On October 03 2012 21:08 J1.au wrote: Well SC2 certainly isn't going to last, it has noticeably stagnated already. All that's next is a decline. In Korea I can definitely see some sort of professional competition returning, though never to the level it once was.
Even though I preffer Brood war I can tell you 100% that with the Hots release if Blizzard markets it as an eSport it will gather A HUGE audience way bigger than the SC2 not because of the great gameplay, but because of the hype and the opportunity and the same with probably happen with Legacy of the void, but thats as far as it goes if it's not an interesting eSport it will die a year or two after LoV.
On October 03 2012 22:34 NuKE[vZ] wrote: No because Starcraft2 is bigger internationally which is appealing to sponsors in the Korean market. Not to mention Starcraft 2 isn't a bad game, and HoTS will be better than BW.
Play it for fun, but please come over to Sc2/HotS and help us grow it even bigger than ever.
I don't think that will ever happen. There is no money in the BW community or the future. SC2HoTS and LoL/HoN is taking over the scene for future sponsors etc.
On October 03 2012 22:34 NuKE[vZ] wrote: No because Starcraft2 is bigger internationally which is appealing to sponsors in the Korean market. Not to mention Starcraft 2 isn't a bad game, and HoTS will be better than BW.
Play it for fun, but please come over to Sc2/HotS and help us grow it even bigger than ever.
Define better? Competitively it won't be.
I think i'll play CoH2 when it comes out, and play league. Both will end up being more enjoyable than playing SC2.
On October 04 2012 00:16 ThePhan2m wrote: I think it was time for BW to die. The game stopped to evolve in any major way the last years. Eventually SC2 will do the same after all the expansions, patches + 5 years and some other game will come along. The unique thing with BW was that it gave the raise of an unique game and the very idea of RTS e-sports. The next coming games will be figured out faster due to BW. BW was the ABC of RTS and will always be. Maybe it will be popular again when a peak in technology reaches and a renaissance of gaming starts.
Should chess die because it hasn't evolved in "any major way" the last years?
Hell, Chess still haven't been figured out. There are still more variations of openings that need to be thoroughly investigated
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