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Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
October 03 2012 13:52 GMT
#101
nope
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aquados
Profile Joined August 2012
Netherlands180 Posts
October 03 2012 14:10 GMT
#102
On October 03 2012 22:36 AleXoundOS wrote:
It's possible!

However I don't like the idea of touching game's code. It's already a great game!
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The only one improvement that BW sometimes needs is a bit higher size/resolution of viewable area when casting. But it is already implemented, you can find it in SOSPA tournament.



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On October 03 2012 13:16 L_Master wrote:
Okay, this is actually pretty true; though I do feel the graphics are in many ways cleaner and possibly more visually appealing than SC2. Yes, I'm certainly in the minority on this.

I agree with L_Master about the graphics. The graphics feel better, they are more beautiful and have better proportions.
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wow wtf? i never realized that golden ratio was in bw that certianly explains why i always liked the bw grapics more
the power of an outside source is that it comes from the inside. sabas[aov] c-/c toss
Netto.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Poland523 Posts
October 03 2012 14:12 GMT
#103
On October 03 2012 22:34 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
No because Starcraft2 is bigger internationally which is appealing to sponsors in the Korean market. Not to mention Starcraft 2 isn't a bad game, and HoTS will be better than BW.

Play it for fun, but please come over to Sc2/HotS and help us grow it even bigger than ever.


Sorry but as a top master sc2 player who never really played BW(except campaign and vs bots) I can tell you that because of hots I started to love BW and I began to train it hard (D+, gonna be C- soon !!!!). I could stand auto mine in sc2 or selecting infinity of units in one group, but when I saw in hots things like workers being automatically sent to the minerals on the beginning of the game I couldn't stop laughing. No, I will not join hots because of it's skill cap and possibility of being very good with 70 APM. For me being a good rts player is to have great decision making and be very good mechanically. I guess in lotv there will be option "auto decide result of the game" like when you come back tired after school or work you can just check this option and play ladder by doing nothing.
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Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
October 03 2012 14:19 GMT
#104
On October 03 2012 22:34 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
No because Starcraft2 is bigger internationally which is appealing to sponsors in the Korean market. Not to mention Starcraft 2 isn't a bad game, and HoTS will be better than BW.

Play it for fun, but please come over to Sc2/HotS and help us grow it even bigger than ever.


Please troll another thread.
Broodwar for life!
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
October 03 2012 14:25 GMT
#105
On October 03 2012 23:19 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 22:34 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
No because Starcraft2 is bigger internationally which is appealing to sponsors in the Korean market. Not to mention Starcraft 2 isn't a bad game, and HoTS will be better than BW.

Play it for fun, but please come over to Sc2/HotS and help us grow it even bigger than ever.


Please troll another thread.


I think everyone in this thread is trolling someone else in this thread. It's pretty silly. Let's stop worrying about the future of BW in Korea, and worry about the future of BW right here, where we can accomplish something.
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
October 03 2012 14:41 GMT
#106
On October 03 2012 10:59 Kal_rA wrote:
If I ever become a billionaire, I vow to sponsor the shit out of Korean BW.

You can't, you have to ask Blizzard what you want with their games, you need license. They don't hear to you if you want something with sc:bw, wc3 or diablo2. According to Blizzard, they should die.

Sad but true.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
October 03 2012 14:44 GMT
#107
On October 03 2012 23:12 Netto. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 22:34 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
No because Starcraft2 is bigger internationally which is appealing to sponsors in the Korean market. Not to mention Starcraft 2 isn't a bad game, and HoTS will be better than BW.

Play it for fun, but please come over to Sc2/HotS and help us grow it even bigger than ever.


Sorry but as a top master sc2 player who never really played BW(except campaign and vs bots) I can tell you that because of hots I started to love BW and I began to train it hard (D+, gonna be C- soon !!!!). I could stand auto mine in sc2 or selecting infinity of units in one group, but when I saw in hots things like workers being automatically sent to the minerals on the beginning of the game I couldn't stop laughing. No, I will not join hots because of it's skill cap and possibility of being very good with 70 APM. For me being a good rts player is to have great decision making and be very good mechanically. I guess in lotv there will be option "auto decide result of the game" like when you come back tired after school or work you can just check this option and play ladder by doing nothing.

But with better features like "auto decide result of the game" players can focus on actual strategy, and not be so embroiled in superfluous things like mechanics and decision making. Plus the graphics alone will make LotV the greatest e-sport of all time. Because in the end the advancement of e-sports on an international level is all that really matters.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 14:47:39
October 03 2012 14:46 GMT
#108
On October 03 2012 23:41 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 10:59 Kal_rA wrote:
If I ever become a billionaire, I vow to sponsor the shit out of Korean BW.

You can't, you have to ask Blizzard what you want with their games, you need license. They don't hear to you if you want something with sc:bw, wc3 or diablo2. According to Blizzard, they should die.

Sad but true.


I don't see any where in the statement that he said he is not going pay any license . Also I don't care if blizzard want's it to die bw will always live in my heart . Happy but true.


BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
October 03 2012 14:52 GMT
#109
On October 03 2012 23:12 Netto. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 22:34 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
No because Starcraft2 is bigger internationally which is appealing to sponsors in the Korean market. Not to mention Starcraft 2 isn't a bad game, and HoTS will be better than BW.

Play it for fun, but please come over to Sc2/HotS and help us grow it even bigger than ever.


Sorry but as a top master sc2 player who never really played BW(except campaign and vs bots) I can tell you that because of hots I started to love BW and I began to train it hard (D+, gonna be C- soon !!!!). I could stand auto mine in sc2 or selecting infinity of units in one group, but when I saw in hots things like workers being automatically sent to the minerals on the beginning of the game I couldn't stop laughing. No, I will not join hots because of it's skill cap and possibility of being very good with 70 APM. For me being a good rts player is to have great decision making and be very good mechanically. I guess in lotv there will be option "auto decide result of the game" like when you come back tired after school or work you can just check this option and play ladder by doing nothing.

wait, does it really send your workers to mine at the start of the game? LOL.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 15:02:33
October 03 2012 14:53 GMT
#110
On October 03 2012 11:05 greenelve wrote:
If SC2 has not the sucess to fill the spot that BW had and if SSL becomes so extreme popular that TV Channels want to have it...well....then BW could come back...

So if korean audience wants BW back, it could come back... BW popularity was fading, teams become less over the past years, from 12 to 7 + 1 unsponsored (Team 8)


What ? Everyone love BW , but please stick to facts and dont lie. Sc2 in more popular game that BW. Look at tournaments , prize pools , number of teams.. how much people is playing Sc 2 , look at huge sponsors , team houses etc etc
How BW was bigger then this ? can you explain ?
And you still forgot Sc2 has only 2 years.. i can bet 100$ you dont even play BW when it was 2 years old.

Ps. Fun fact
There was no TeamLiquid when sc/bw was two years old..
Some people are to young ( i think 70% or even more of TL community) dont even remmeber Sc before BW , and they dont hear of this game , before BW hit like 5 years..
I remmember playing Bw on lan with friends , we run from school to play it , in friend house , he was only one in whole class with computer ( he had two and some time later moden 56 )
SC 2 -LingsLover- EU -- Jaedong , NesTea , Nerchio , DRG , Moon , Oz , Tarson , Scarlett -- Dota 2 Pallad EU- NaVi - LGD
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
October 03 2012 15:00 GMT
#111
On October 03 2012 23:53 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 11:05 greenelve wrote:
If SC2 has not the sucess to fill the spot that BW had and if SSL becomes so extreme popular that TV Channels want to have it...well....then BW could come back...

So if korean audience wants BW back, it could come back... BW popularity was fading, teams become less over the past years, from 12 to 7 + 1 unsponsored (Team 8)


What ? Everyone love but , but please stick to facts and dont lie. Sc2 in more popular game that BW. Look at tournaments , prize pools , number of teams.. how much people is playing Sc 2 , look at huge sponsors , team houses etc etc
How BW was bigger then this ? can you explain ?
And you still forgot Sc2 has only 2 years.. i can bet 100$ you dont even play BW when it was 2 years old.

Ps. Fun fact
There was no TeamLiquid when sc/bw was two years old..

This hurt my soul to read. Broodwar had all of that in its peak, not to mention the fact its a better game in general.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
aquados
Profile Joined August 2012
Netherlands180 Posts
October 03 2012 15:01 GMT
#112
On October 03 2012 23:53 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 11:05 greenelve wrote:
If SC2 has not the sucess to fill the spot that BW had and if SSL becomes so extreme popular that TV Channels want to have it...well....then BW could come back...

So if korean audience wants BW back, it could come back... BW popularity was fading, teams become less over the past years, from 12 to 7 + 1 unsponsored (Team 8)


What ? Everyone love but , but please stick to facts and dont lie. Sc2 in more popular game that BW. Look at tournaments , prize pools , number of teams.. how much people is playing Sc 2 , look at huge sponsors , team houses etc etc
How BW was bigger then this ? can you explain ?
And you still forgot Sc2 has only 2 years.. i can bet 100$ you dont even play BW when it was 2 years old.

Ps. Fun fact
There was no TeamLiquid when sc/bw was two years old..

true but your statement is incorrect.

sc2 IS 2 years old and is going on its peak. all its populairty came from bw not the game itself.

if sc2 can sustain on it self GREAT, let people have fun!!! but alot of people still want bw since its more entraining in their view. but i will never give sc2 3 yearts after lotv.
the power of an outside source is that it comes from the inside. sabas[aov] c-/c toss
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
October 03 2012 15:04 GMT
#113
On October 04 2012 00:00 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 23:53 pallad wrote:
On October 03 2012 11:05 greenelve wrote:
If SC2 has not the sucess to fill the spot that BW had and if SSL becomes so extreme popular that TV Channels want to have it...well....then BW could come back...

So if korean audience wants BW back, it could come back... BW popularity was fading, teams become less over the past years, from 12 to 7 + 1 unsponsored (Team 8)


What ? Everyone love but , but please stick to facts and dont lie. Sc2 in more popular game that BW. Look at tournaments , prize pools , number of teams.. how much people is playing Sc 2 , look at huge sponsors , team houses etc etc
How BW was bigger then this ? can you explain ?
And you still forgot Sc2 has only 2 years.. i can bet 100$ you dont even play BW when it was 2 years old.

Ps. Fun fact
There was no TeamLiquid when sc/bw was two years old..

This hurt my soul to read. Broodwar had all of that in its peak, not to mention the fact its a better game in general.


I loved bw very much , read my edit up . but we must stick to facts and keep going..This is epic game ! best rts ever made , but bw is to old and this is a fact , there is no way that game that old can be huge in 2012/13 , no way.. :/
SC 2 -LingsLover- EU -- Jaedong , NesTea , Nerchio , DRG , Moon , Oz , Tarson , Scarlett -- Dota 2 Pallad EU- NaVi - LGD
Xeofreestyler
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Belgium6776 Posts
October 03 2012 15:06 GMT
#114
On October 03 2012 23:53 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 11:05 greenelve wrote:
If SC2 has not the sucess to fill the spot that BW had and if SSL becomes so extreme popular that TV Channels want to have it...well....then BW could come back...

So if korean audience wants BW back, it could come back... BW popularity was fading, teams become less over the past years, from 12 to 7 + 1 unsponsored (Team 8)


What ? Everyone love but , but please stick to facts and dont lie. Sc2 in more popular game that BW. Look at tournaments , prize pools , number of teams.. how much people is playing Sc 2 , look at huge sponsors , team houses etc etc
How BW was bigger then this ? can you explain ?
And you still forgot Sc2 has only 2 years.. i can bet 100$ you dont even play BW when it was 2 years old.

Ps. Fun fact
There was no TeamLiquid when sc/bw was two years old..


You're comparing father with son here boy. If Starcraft 2 was a standalone game with a different name, I could also bet 100$ you wouldn't be playing it. The sad reality is that our consumerist culture thrives on the new, shiny, updated things. So yeah, lots of people who knew about bw but thought it had 'old shitty gfx' will be better off with sc2, so of course its popular right now. There's tons of money being pumped into it for promotion too. Don't confuse actual success with forced success through $$$.

That's my view on it. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if SC2 is still worth it in ten years like bw was. But until thats confirmed, I hope bw comes back.
Graphics
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 15:15:34
October 03 2012 15:10 GMT
#115
On October 04 2012 00:06 Xeofreestyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 23:53 pallad wrote:
On October 03 2012 11:05 greenelve wrote:
If SC2 has not the sucess to fill the spot that BW had and if SSL becomes so extreme popular that TV Channels want to have it...well....then BW could come back...

So if korean audience wants BW back, it could come back... BW popularity was fading, teams become less over the past years, from 12 to 7 + 1 unsponsored (Team 8)


What ? Everyone love but , but please stick to facts and dont lie. Sc2 in more popular game that BW. Look at tournaments , prize pools , number of teams.. how much people is playing Sc 2 , look at huge sponsors , team houses etc etc
How BW was bigger then this ? can you explain ?
And you still forgot Sc2 has only 2 years.. i can bet 100$ you dont even play BW when it was 2 years old.

Ps. Fun fact
There was no TeamLiquid when sc/bw was two years old..


You're comparing father with son here boy. If Starcraft 2 was a standalone game with a different name, I could also bet 100$ you wouldn't be playing it. The sad reality is that our consumerist culture thrives on the new, shiny, updated things. So yeah, lots of people who knew about bw but thought it had 'old shitty gfx' will be better off with sc2, so of course its popular right now. There's tons of money being pumped into it for promotion too. Don't confuse actual success with forced success through $$$.

That's my view on it. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if SC2 is still worth it in ten years like bw was. But until thats confirmed, I hope bw comes back.


Then give me 100$ right now . Im rts fan from time i first time play Dark Colony on PC , then was Bw , Total Anihilation etc etc , even if Sc2 was named "sex in the city" i play it . In my eyes there is no better rts game now , then sc2

Btw people still play Dark Colony even now ...
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Netto.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Poland523 Posts
October 03 2012 15:12 GMT
#116
On October 03 2012 23:44 reincremate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 23:12 Netto. wrote:
On October 03 2012 22:34 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
No because Starcraft2 is bigger internationally which is appealing to sponsors in the Korean market. Not to mention Starcraft 2 isn't a bad game, and HoTS will be better than BW.

Play it for fun, but please come over to Sc2/HotS and help us grow it even bigger than ever.


Sorry but as a top master sc2 player who never really played BW(except campaign and vs bots) I can tell you that because of hots I started to love BW and I began to train it hard (D+, gonna be C- soon !!!!). I could stand auto mine in sc2 or selecting infinity of units in one group, but when I saw in hots things like workers being automatically sent to the minerals on the beginning of the game I couldn't stop laughing. No, I will not join hots because of it's skill cap and possibility of being very good with 70 APM. For me being a good rts player is to have great decision making and be very good mechanically. I guess in lotv there will be option "auto decide result of the game" like when you come back tired after school or work you can just check this option and play ladder by doing nothing.

But with better features like "auto decide result of the game" players can focus on actual strategy, and not be so embroiled in superfluous things like mechanics and decision making. Plus the graphics alone will make LotV the greatest e-sport of all time. Because in the end the advancement of e-sports on an international level is all that really matters.


I am not sure if you are trolling or talking seriously now. If for you the greatest e-sport game of all time is chosen by graphics alone then it wouldn't be LotV for sure. Thats the one thing. The second thing is that to be successfull you can't be good just at strategy and be bad mechanically and/or making bad decisions. This rule applies to every freakin sport. If you play soccer and you score a goal it is not only because you had great situation, it is because you managed to create great situation by good ball passes, good shot etc. The same goes on with SC. If you have your own sick strategy that kills everyone and suddenly someone do some gimmicky build to you, you will end up losing because you will not make proper decision due to your bad decision making as well as you will not be able to do those decisions quickly because your mechanics will not be used to improvising.
Be the change you want to see in the world.
Potling
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway298 Posts
October 03 2012 15:15 GMT
#117
On October 04 2012 00:12 Netto. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 23:44 reincremate wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:12 Netto. wrote:
On October 03 2012 22:34 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
No because Starcraft2 is bigger internationally which is appealing to sponsors in the Korean market. Not to mention Starcraft 2 isn't a bad game, and HoTS will be better than BW.

Play it for fun, but please come over to Sc2/HotS and help us grow it even bigger than ever.


Sorry but as a top master sc2 player who never really played BW(except campaign and vs bots) I can tell you that because of hots I started to love BW and I began to train it hard (D+, gonna be C- soon !!!!). I could stand auto mine in sc2 or selecting infinity of units in one group, but when I saw in hots things like workers being automatically sent to the minerals on the beginning of the game I couldn't stop laughing. No, I will not join hots because of it's skill cap and possibility of being very good with 70 APM. For me being a good rts player is to have great decision making and be very good mechanically. I guess in lotv there will be option "auto decide result of the game" like when you come back tired after school or work you can just check this option and play ladder by doing nothing.

But with better features like "auto decide result of the game" players can focus on actual strategy, and not be so embroiled in superfluous things like mechanics and decision making. Plus the graphics alone will make LotV the greatest e-sport of all time. Because in the end the advancement of e-sports on an international level is all that really matters.


I am not sure if you are trolling or talking seriously now. If for you the greatest e-sport game of all time is chosen by graphics alone then it wouldn't be LotV for sure. Thats the one thing. The second thing is that to be successfull you can't be good just at strategy and be bad mechanically and/or making bad decisions. This rule applies to every freakin sport. If you play soccer and you score a goal it is not only because you had great situation, it is because you managed to create great situation by good ball passes, good shot etc. The same goes on with SC. If you have your own sick strategy that kills everyone and suddenly someone do some gimmicky build to you, you will end up losing because you will not make proper decision due to your bad decision making as well as you will not be able to do those decisions quickly because your mechanics will not be used to improvising.

Man, he was joking.
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
October 03 2012 15:16 GMT
#118
I think it was time for BW to die. The game stopped to evolve in any major way the last years. Eventually SC2 will do the same after all the expansions, patches + 5 years and some other game will come along. The unique thing with BW was that it gave the raise of an unique game and the very idea of RTS e-sports. The next coming games will be figured out faster due to BW. BW was the ABC of RTS and will always be. Maybe it will be popular again when a peak in technology reaches and a renaissance of gaming starts.
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2345 Posts
October 03 2012 15:18 GMT
#119
On October 03 2012 17:40 asiantraceur wrote:
Get a petition from people saying they'll buy the game from Blizzard...also try to update graphics? I know a lot of people are attracted to SC2 cuz of "good graphics"


StarCraft 2 graphic is not good. It was outdated from a very start.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
AbsO
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden12 Posts
October 03 2012 15:20 GMT
#120
It will never happen I am afraid, for a game to get popular or maintain popularity, you need loads of peeps playing it, and you need to have a constant flow of new players starting to play the game. BW have no new players starting up, and thoose few that do, they end up getting pwnd 20 games and then quit. So what BW needs to return to former glory, is atleast 100,000 newbies that wants to make new clans, get better skills and rise to the top. Now the scene is pretty boring, with same clans and same players on the top.
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