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Does anyone feel there is a bias when it comes to reporting or publicizing heinous violent crimes committed across racial lines? For example here is a story which has been mostly unreported except in local media:
Elderly woman beaten with a brick outside her own Clarksdale, MS homeThe beating of an elderly woman with a brick outside her home has rocked the city of Clarksdale, Mississippi. Now, there is a city-wide search for that beating suspect. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1FeFw.jpg) Stitches, bruises and gashes remain on Shirley Gordon’s face after she literally fought for her life while being beaten with a concrete brick. “I don’t understand how some people can be so mean,” she said. “He was beating the stew out of my head with that concrete brick wrapped in asphalt,” she said. “I asked him what have I done to you? And he kept beatin’.” ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/70Fqt.jpg) http://www.amren.com/news/2012/08/elderly-woman-beaten-with-a-brick-outside-her-own-clarksdale-ms-home/
A thread started to discuss this news article was locked due to: "This is not news, these kinds of thing happen all the time all over the world. There isn't much to discuss." Of course if there were truly nothing to discuss, forum software is designed to sort threads by inactivity so it would have simply slipped off the front page. It was locked to prevent discussion, not due to lack of discussion.
Imagine for a moment that the races were reversed and an elderly Black woman had been savagely beaten by a young White male. Would it then be newsworthy? Not only would it have been allowed discussion on teamliquid, it would likely be picked up by all the major international news networks.
When stories like this are not picked up by any major news networks, and also censored on user driven forums, it has the effect of giving people a skewed and distorted view of reality. Most people will be blissfully unaware of this crime, but have certainly heard of the Trayvon Martin case and the Duke Lacrosse rape hoax.
The eminent Thomas Sowell has written an article on media bias involving racially motivated mob attacks, which have become surprisingly common but are kept out of the national media:
Are Race Riots News?by Thomas Sowell ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LQ0Zr.jpg) When I first saw a book with the title, "White Girl Bleed A Lot" by Colin Flaherty, I instantly knew what it was about, even though I had not seen the book reviewed anywhere, and knew nothing about the author.
That phrase was spoken by a member of a mob of young blacks who attacked whites at random at a Fourth of July celebration in Milwaukee last year. What I was appalled to learn, in the course of my research, was that such race riots have occurred in other cities across the United States in recent years—and that the national mainstream media usually ignore these riots.
Where the violence is too widespread and too widely known locally to be ignored, both the local media and public officials often describe what happened as unspecified “young people” attacking unspecified victims for unspecified reasons. But videos of the attacks often reveal both the racial nature of these attacks and the racial hostility expressed by the attackers.
Ignoring racial violence only guarantees that it will get worse. The Chicago Tribune has publicly rationalized its filtering out of any racial identification of attackers and their victims, even though the media do not hesitate to mention race when decrying statistical disparities in arrest or imprisonment rates.
Reading Colin Flaherty’s book made painfully clear to me that the magnitude of this problem is even greater than I had discovered from my own research. He documents both the race riots and the media and political evasions in dozens of cities across America.
Flaherty’s previous writings have won him praise and awards, but this book has been met largely with silence or abuse. However much ignoring the ugly realities that his book reveals may serve the interests of the media or politicians, a cover-up is a huge disservice to everyone else—whether black, white or whatever.http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/07/17/are_race_riots_news_114812.html
Here is a contrary article which defends biased reporting:
Is such biased reporting and censorship good for society? Certainly some people think so. What do you think?
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Black woman had been savagely beaten by a young White male. Would it then be newsworthy? Not only would it have been allowed discussion on teamliquid
Uh... No, I doubt it. There was nothing to discuss. What else is there to say but "this is awful, and shouldn't of happened"?
Also, bad threads can't just be kept open because they'll go to inactivity, mainly because most bad threads are surprisingly (or maybe not) active.
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I feel so bad for the woman. I hope they find this guy before he does this or something worse to someone else.
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Heh, nice workaround the lockdown. Not sure if it's going to work though. Also aren't you playing this the wrong way? Isn't it when there's a white victim the media usually pick it up (supposedly)?
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On August 24 2012 05:10 nam nam wrote:
Heh, nice workaround the lockdown. Not sure if it's going to work though.
I'm not trying to work around the lockdown, I want to discuss why there is such a double standard in what is widely reported and discussed.
If the article is inappropriate it can be edited out of the OP, but I think it is a valid topic and a good illustration of the double standard which exists.
Does anyone really think if the races were reversed it wouldn't have a hundreds of pages long thread on teamliquid, sanctioned by moderators?
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If an mod doesnt want a thread to exist it wont exist. simple as that
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This was not reported as a racial crime iirc. It's an act of violence commited by a kid against an old woman. There's not much to debate unless you want to bring race into it. Trayvon Martin was pretty much reported as a crime with racial focus. I guess that may be the difference.
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On August 24 2012 05:12 Portlandian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 05:10 nam nam wrote:
Heh, nice workaround the lockdown. Not sure if it's going to work though. I'm not trying to work around the lockdown, I want to discuss why there is such a double standard in what is widely reported and discussed. If the article is inappropriate it can be edited out of the OP, but I think it is a valid topic and a good illustration of the double standard which exists. Does anyone really think if the races were reversed it wouldn't have a hundreds of pages long thread on teamliquid, sanctioned by moderators?
You are suggesting that a double standard exists. Prove it.
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On August 24 2012 05:14 MysteryTerran wrote:
If an mod doesnt want a thread to exist it wont exist. simple as that
Certainly. And websites are private property which are well within their rights to censor anything they please.
I just wanted to discuss whether other people notice there may be a bias in what is permitted or not, and whether they think such bias is good for society.
On August 24 2012 05:15 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
This was not reported as a racial crime iirc. It's an act of violence commited by a kid against an old woman. There's not much to debate unless you want to bring race into it. Trayvon Martin was pretty much reported as a crime with racial focus. I guess that may be the difference.
It's not a hate crime, but it is an interracial crime (when the victim and perpetrator are different races).
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The story is a kid beating up an elderly woman. Shut the fuck up about racial claims. This type of moronic speculation is one of the major reasons that racism is still relevant in this day and age.
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Your post history seems suspect, are you on this site only to talk about race/obama?
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On August 24 2012 05:17 Portlandian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 05:14 MysteryTerran wrote:
If an mod doesnt want a thread to exist it wont exist. simple as that Certainly. And websites are private property which are well within their rights to censor anything they please. I just wanted to discuss whether other people notice there may be a bias in what is permitted or not, and whether they think such bias is good for society. Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 05:15 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
This was not reported as a racial crime iirc. It's an act of violence commited by a kid against an old woman. There's not much to debate unless you want to bring race into it. Trayvon Martin was pretty much reported as a crime with racial focus. I guess that may be the difference. It's not a hate crime, but it is an interracial crime (when the victim and perpetrator are different races).
Right. In one case the entire crime had questions of race surrounding it. This one does not have race as a main focus... yet.
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I generally think TL is pretty open to most news discussions, regardless of the topic. The bias is generally made within the OP if there is any, not the moderators' selective closings of certain threads. Generally the mods allow discussion of basically whatever unless there is nothing more to discuss, or if there is significant flaming...
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Nah, if it were a white dude beating an elderly black woman it still would have been closed. Threads about heinous crimes tend not to generate much discussion than "oh, that's awful! I hope the perpetrator is punished!"
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On August 24 2012 05:16 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 05:12 Portlandian wrote:On August 24 2012 05:10 nam nam wrote:
Heh, nice workaround the lockdown. Not sure if it's going to work though. I'm not trying to work around the lockdown, I want to discuss why there is such a double standard in what is widely reported and discussed. If the article is inappropriate it can be edited out of the OP, but I think it is a valid topic and a good illustration of the double standard which exists. Does anyone really think if the races were reversed it wouldn't have a hundreds of pages long thread on teamliquid, sanctioned by moderators? You are suggesting that a double standard exists. Prove it.
Are Race Riots News?
When I first saw a book with the title, "White Girl Bleed A Lot" by Colin Flaherty, I instantly knew what it was about, even though I had not seen the book reviewed anywhere, and knew nothing about the author.
That phrase was spoken by a member of a mob of young blacks who attacked whites at random at a Fourth of July celebration in Milwaukee last year. What I was appalled to learn, in the course of my research, was that such race riots have occurred in other cities across the United States in recent years—and that the national mainstream media usually ignore these riots.
Where the violence is too widespread and too widely known locally to be ignored, both the local media and public officials often describe what happened as unspecified “young people” attacking unspecified victims for unspecified reasons. But videos of the attacks often reveal both the racial nature of these attacks and the racial hostility expressed by the attackers.
Ignoring racial violence only guarantees that it will get worse. The Chicago Tribune has publicly rationalized its filtering out of any racial identification of attackers and their victims, even though the media do not hesitate to mention race when decrying statistical disparities in arrest or imprisonment rates.
Reading Colin Flaherty’s book made painfully clear to me that the magnitude of this problem is even greater than I had discovered from my own research. He documents both the race riots and the media and political evasions in dozens of cities across America.
Flaherty’s previous writings have won him praise and awards, but this book has been met largely with silence or abuse. However much ignoring the ugly realities that his book reveals may serve the interests of the media or politicians, a cover-up is a huge disservice to everyone else—whether black, white or whatever.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/07/17/are_race_riots_news_114812.html
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On August 24 2012 05:12 Portlandian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 05:10 nam nam wrote:
Heh, nice workaround the lockdown. Not sure if it's going to work though. I'm not trying to work around the lockdown, I want to discuss why there is such a double standard in what is widely reported and discussed. If the article is inappropriate it can be edited out of the OP, but I think it is a valid topic and a good illustration of the double standard which exists. Does anyone really think if the races were reversed it wouldn't have a hundreds of pages long thread on teamliquid, sanctioned by moderators?
I think it would. Especially if it had racial motives. Then it would proboably be bigger than the other way around. Look at the shooting of Trayvon Martin as an example.
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On August 24 2012 05:19 ddrddrddrddr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 05:17 Portlandian wrote:On August 24 2012 05:14 MysteryTerran wrote:
If an mod doesnt want a thread to exist it wont exist. simple as that Certainly. And websites are private property which are well within their rights to censor anything they please. I just wanted to discuss whether other people notice there may be a bias in what is permitted or not, and whether they think such bias is good for society. On August 24 2012 05:15 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
This was not reported as a racial crime iirc. It's an act of violence commited by a kid against an old woman. There's not much to debate unless you want to bring race into it. Trayvon Martin was pretty much reported as a crime with racial focus. I guess that may be the difference. It's not a hate crime, but it is an interracial crime (when the victim and perpetrator are different races). Right. In one case the entire crime had questions of race surrounding it. This one does not have race as a main focus... yet.
Here's an example of a clear hate crime which went relatively unnoticed and unreported in national news. Have you heard of it?
Again, imagine if the races were reversed the massive amount of attention that would be paid to it. There would be marches, candlelight vigils, constant around the clock reporting for weeks on national networks, etc.
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On August 24 2012 05:18 huehuehuehue wrote:
Your post history seems suspect, are you on this site only to talk about race/obama?
pretty much this. His agenda is rather clear.
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Agreed. All of the OP's posts are in subjects of racial or conflictual topics.
Not one of his posts are Starcraft or Gaming related in any way, shape, or form.
Basically he is a controversy troll.
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well i dont see anything about whites being victims of hate crimes so I'm sure there is a double standard, but I doubt the OP is one to point it out in a fair / unbias manner because he sounds like some oblivious fool off sf.org just by looking at his posting history
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There is nothing wrong with only wanting to discuss controversial things. It doesn't automatically qualify you as a troll.
However, if OP can't use common sense and basic logic to figure out why violent 'black on white' crimes get less media attention than its counterpart, then I don't think his issues with that concept can be resolved by a forum discussion with anonymous starcraft fans.
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To be perfectly honest, I'd love any thread about some random crime event or police misdeed to be closed immediately instead of waiting for morons to start yelling at each other.
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On August 24 2012 05:39 jeparie wrote:
There is nothing wrong with only wanting to discuss controversial things. It doesn't automatically qualify you as a troll.
However, if OP can't use common sense and basic logic to figure out why violent 'black on white' crimes get less media attention than its counterpart, then I don't think his issues with that concept can be resolved by a forum discussion with anonymous starcraft fans.
If the nature of the posts, and the subjects one posts in are continuously the same, where the point of the posts and threads is to evoke controversy, one is a troll.
Troll, or Trolling - To fish in by trailing a baited line.
posting in only one type of topic, continuously, is trolling.
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I find that topics where everyone agrees are often the most boring to discuss.
I also prefer discussing topics that affect our society, rather than inconsequential SC2 drama.
I apologize if anyone finds this too controversial. I feel it is a valid subject that crosses racial lines. Even Thomas Sowell has given commentary on this issue.
If you won't listen to me because you have a prejudiced image of who I am, at least try listening to Thomas Sowell.
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On August 24 2012 05:15 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
This was not reported as a racial crime iirc. It's an act of violence commited by a kid against an old woman. There's not much to debate unless you want to bring race into it. Trayvon Martin was pretty much reported as a crime with racial focus. I guess that may be the difference.
Would it be considerd a random act of violence if the culprit was white and the victim was black? Not likely.
There is something wrong in the western world, when a miniority group is beaten for whatever reason its racism, when a etnic miniority does something its is a random act of violence.
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The media is biased in many ways. Why does ESPN talk about football more than lacrosse? Why does CNN talk about politics more than StarCraft? It is not the media's job to give balanced coverage to everything -- it is job of the people consuming the media to want balanced coverage. Are you blaming the media for giving more coverage to those topics more popular to their consumers? Nor is it the media's job to give people an accurate view of reality, right? The market has spoken, and nobody seems to care about that.
I'm not sure I believe the words I just typed entirely, but there's probably something useful to get out of it.
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On August 24 2012 05:39 bonifaceviii wrote:
To be perfectly honest, I'd love any thread about some random crime event or police misdeed to be closed immediately instead of waiting for morons to start yelling at each other.
Seriously. Nothing good is ever going to come out of this thread or one like it. Why wait until it gets out of hand.
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I feel that this is a perfectly legitimate topic. America is full of double-standards, and not without reason. The question is: is it justified or not? Which is the discussion I believe the OP is trying to have.
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On August 24 2012 05:54 Mr Showtime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 05:39 bonifaceviii wrote:
To be perfectly honest, I'd love any thread about some random crime event or police misdeed to be closed immediately instead of waiting for morons to start yelling at each other. Seriously. Nothing good is ever going to come out of this thread or one like it. Why wait until it gets out of hand.
We can have an intellectually stimulating discussion and people on all sides can learn something and become wiser for it?
Nobody will be harmed by debate, why stifle it? If you are not interested in a topic, don't read it and don't post in it.
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United States43753 Posts
I'm closing this. We close news topics all the time. There is no racial agenda. We are volunteers composed of members of the community from a diverse mix of ages, backgrounds and nations. You're a conspiracy nut if you think otherwise.
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