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Gl!tch
United States573 Posts
On September 02 2012 04:20 s3rp wrote: A very slow 22 range unit isn't going to be a super microable units either. Positioning is even more important for units like this. Broodlords are the same, especially when vortex comes into play. I think positioning can be considered a form of micro. | ||
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Gfire
United States1699 Posts
On September 02 2012 04:20 s3rp wrote: A very slow 22 range unit isn't going to be a super microable units either. There's not really tempest micro (as far as I can tell,) but that doesn't mean it has no variance in effectiveness based on positioning and control. You have to utilize positioning to use your tempests effectively and keep them alive, and also use other units as spotters to fully utilize the range. I'm not really sure how spectator-friendly they are but you certainly can't just a-move them and expect effectiveness. Honestly I don't think it works to have such a long-range unit which can also move, though. Hard to follow. | ||
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Geos13
437 Posts
On September 02 2012 04:25 Gfire wrote: There's not really tempest micro (as far as I can tell,) but that doesn't mean it has no variance in effectiveness based on positioning and control. You have to utilize positioning to use your tempests effectively and keep them alive, and also use other units as spotters to fully utilize the range. I'm not really sure how spectator-friendly they are but you certainly can't just a-move them and expect effectiveness. Honestly I don't think it works to have such a long-range unit which can also move, though. Hard to follow. I think you're right with positioning being the most important part but there is some micro needed. Overkill when multiple Tempests fire on the same unit will be a big problem given the low rate of fire and important units have to be targeted to avoid wasting shots killing zerglings/marines. | ||
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Gfire
United States1699 Posts
On September 02 2012 04:38 Geos13 wrote: I think you're right with positioning being the most important part but there is some micro needed. Overkill when multiple Tempests fire on the same unit will be a big problem given the low rate of fire and important units have to be targeted to avoid wasting shots killing zerglings/marines. Yeah, that's true. You'll probably want to manually target your tempests between each shot, which can certainly be considered micro. That's the complete opposite of a move, as well. | ||
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Herect
Brazil216 Posts
On September 02 2012 04:25 Gfire wrote: There's not really tempest micro (as far as I can tell,) but that doesn't mean it has no variance in effectiveness based on positioning and control. You have to utilize positioning to use your tempests effectively and keep them alive, and also use other units as spotters to fully utilize the range. I'm not really sure how spectator-friendly they are but you certainly can't just a-move them and expect effectiveness. Honestly I don't think it works to have such a long-range unit which can also move, though. Hard to follow. And the tempest actually requires micro because it can easily overkill. You generally one, two or three-shot most of the units in the game (the overall DPS is low but the burst damage is pretty decent). Its beam take some time to reach the target so 4-5 tempests can target the same unit, spending so much more shots to kill than should have. More, the tempest probably only will work within numbers above 3 or 4. Less than this is to low DPS to be effective. Zerg/Protoss can pull away/burrow/cloak the target before it dies and Terran can repair with some scvs/heal to negate the damage. Tempests will be the most straight-foward response to Mech, but i still think that normal Protoss responses will be on Robo tech with harassment, drops, war prism micro and abusing Warpgate mechanics (warp in the back of terran army with hidden pylons/war prsim to create flanks). Even with the Oracle and the Tempest, the Stargate tech seems gimmicky and risky. but Void Rays and Phoenixes maybe can still change this (or even Carriers =) ). We'll only know when the Beta comes out. | ||
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
On September 02 2012 04:17 Sroobz wrote: Worst post of the year? Warhound doesn't shoot up, IT'S NOT A MOVE! Maby you are to stupid to understand that . Make your a move with warhound , opponent will counter its easy , if you dont understand this then i dunno. 80% units in sc2 are a move . I beet you think you gonna a move warhound and win every game lol | ||
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Gfire
United States1699 Posts
On September 02 2012 05:20 pallad wrote: Maby you are to stupid to understand that . Make your a move with warhound , opponent will counter its easy , if you dont understand this then i dunno. 80% units in sc2 are a move . I beet you think you gonna a move warhound and win every game lol When people say a-move, I don't think they mean you can just a-move with that one unit and win without doing anything else... Just that all you'll ever do with the unit is a-move and not micro it beyond that. I agree that if you consider the Warhound a-move, then %80 of units in sc2 are a-move as well. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On September 02 2012 04:20 s3rp wrote: A very slow 22 range unit isn't going to be a super microable units either. It is, since you will have to do a lot of "hit and move" or target-fireing, or your shots will be wasted, for example, all three Tempest will fire at one Marine, so you will have to split your dps, and target for example, three different Siege Tanks, with each Tempest targeting one etc. You don't need micro like you need for Marine splitting, but you will need it anyway. And Tempests are a lot faster than you think, they are as fast as upgraded Overlords, in other words, they are faster than Brood Lords. | ||
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pStar
996 Posts
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
 I can still have weet dreams of them having open beta or invites based on ranking tho. | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On September 02 2012 04:20 s3rp wrote: A very slow 22 range unit isn't going to be a super microable units either. Is it very slow? I was under the impression they are almost as fast as medivacs. And after every shot, you have 6 seconds to scoot before you shoot again. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On September 02 2012 00:38 SarcasmMonster wrote: HOTS: Rise of the kespa. Calling it now. Fixed. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On September 02 2012 05:38 SarcasmMonster wrote: Is it very slow? I was under the impression they are almost as fast as medivacs. And after every shot, you have 6 seconds to scoot before you shoot again. I'm guessing Carrier/BC/Thor speed which would be ~1.88 which would not be fast. | ||
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On September 02 2012 05:43 s3rp wrote: I'm guessing Carrier/BC/Thor speed which would be ~1.88 which would not be fast. According to this, they have (or had if Blizz changed it since) a speed of 2.25 so that's the same speed as unstimmed Marines. Average speed. | ||
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Amridell
188 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17677 Posts
On August 16 2012 02:49 bri9and wrote: I hope they give betas to people that a) actively play and b) play a lot would be a shame to start handing them out to everyone and anyone who has a battle.net account. but, but, but I WANT ONE TOO!! | ||
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Seam
United States1093 Posts
On September 02 2012 04:20 s3rp wrote: A very slow 22 range unit isn't going to be a super microable units either. It's also got a very slow attack that has a fairly slow travel time and can overkill super easily. While not the most micro intense thing ever, that's gonna take a nice chunk of micro to be able to use it as best as possible. Yes, you 'could' just a-move it. But to get the most out of it you're gonna have to do a LOT of individual focus fire. Not to mention you can easily shoot and run with it. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
Public service announcement: Ladder Anxiety Larry's Need Not Apply! | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16769 Posts
On September 02 2012 00:53 Doodsmack wrote: Nice use of a big word. Oh and nice ad hominem. Too bad you are letting your anti-big company bias get in the way of a reasonable assessment. By your logic once HOTS comes out, Blizz should allow a custom map that replicates multiplayer 100%? The fact that Blizz did us the favor of making the map editor .... another client if you can just play a custom game? Should Blizzard really run its beta via the WoL map editor? maybe Blizzard should give us the MOD tools that are going to be included with the next installment of the #2 RTS Franchine : Command & Conquer Generals 2. that is no MOD kit at all. Blizzard needs artistic freedom to flesh out and fully test HotS. they probably gave the guy a free copy of HotS. i say if Blizzard wants it taken down... so be it.  | ||
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