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Synapze
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada563 Posts
August 01 2012 07:18 GMT
#1
Is there a reason blizzard doesn't let you set a control group modifier to something other than alt/ctrl? These keys are the main reason people get carpal tunnel. Control especially. If blizzard let us use mouse 5 for example, people would be injured much less.

The use of Shift/Ctrl/Alt keys in combination with number keys are what cause these issues, and they should seriously look into a different approach.
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Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
August 01 2012 07:20 GMT
#2
You can always move your hand, or your keyboard to angle, to help with carpel tunnel
It might slow you down a tiny bit, but then again, youre choosing to play a game with carpel tunnel.....
Get the surgery, or maybe its time to move on so that you can heal and dont ruin your wrist/hand for life :/
eScaper-tsunami
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada313 Posts
August 01 2012 07:21 GMT
#3
On August 01 2012 16:18 Synapze wrote:
Is there a reason blizzard doesn't let you set a control group modifier to something other than alt/ctrl? These keys are the main reason people get carpal tunnel. Control especially. If blizzard let us use mouse 5 for example, people would be injured much less.

The use of Shift/Ctrl/Alt keys in combination with number keys are what cause these issues, and they should seriously look into a different approach.


Which finger do you use to press ctrl and alt?
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ectonym
Profile Joined July 2010
United States147 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 07:22:40
August 01 2012 07:22 GMT
#4
Perhaps "carpal tunnel" was thrown in for flair? Perhaps this should have been a blog entry instead? Perhaps you should link to the CTRL and ALT buttons' placement being some of the causes for carpal tunnel injury?
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aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
August 01 2012 07:23 GMT
#5
Buy a mouse or keyboard that let's you rebind keys? k cool. problem solved.
Wahaha
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 07:28:27
August 01 2012 07:23 GMT
#6
On August 01 2012 16:18 Synapze wrote:
Is there a reason blizzard doesn't let you set a control group modifier to something other than alt/ctrl? These keys are the main reason people get carpal tunnel. Control especially. If blizzard let us use mouse 5 for example, people would be injured much less.

The use of Shift/Ctrl/Alt keys in combination with number keys are what cause these issues, and they should seriously look into a different approach.

Don't use the tip of your finger to hit Ctrl, use the more fleshy trunk of the finger (like, just above the palm), I don't really know how to describe it in English, so...

Here, do it like MKP:

:D
intense555
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States474 Posts
August 01 2012 07:24 GMT
#7
For some reason I don't have any problems with Carpal Tunnel, I keep my hands elevated above my elbows about 1-2 inches and my hands in an angle like this / \
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NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
August 01 2012 07:25 GMT
#8
For me, it's the mouse that causes carpal tunnel. I followed some stretching steps on youtube and it helped a lot.
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Boblhead
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2577 Posts
August 01 2012 07:25 GMT
#9
On August 01 2012 16:23 aike wrote:
Buy a mouse or keyboard that let's you rebind keys? k cool. problem solved.

This.
yurta
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada91 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 07:30:54
August 01 2012 07:29 GMT
#10
From what I am gathering from this OP is apparently the entire left side of the keyboard leads to carpal tunnel since almost every hotkey in the game (if you aren't using custom keys) is from B-G-T over?? So how is crtl/alt/shift causing you this much of a problem your hand for the most part would be somewhere around A-S-D and up to be able to micro properly and control your units effectively.

Personally I find I have more issues with my mouse hand wrist the my keyboard hand because of the angle I hold my mouse at.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
August 01 2012 07:30 GMT
#11
I don't really know of people having trouble with their left hand, and certainly not from pressing the ctrl button. It's always the mouse hand that's problematic.
hitchslap
Profile Joined July 2012
20 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 07:40:29
August 01 2012 07:40 GMT
#12
When I played wow I rebinded my mouse button 4 and 5 to alt and ctr via my razer mouse dirves and it worked out great. Idk if it would be practical in sc2 or even allowed but maybe its something you might try
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
August 01 2012 07:42 GMT
#13
Cool edgy buzzword man.

It's not like there's exercises, stretches and correct posture/routines you can look into right?
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Arachne
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
South Africa426 Posts
August 01 2012 07:42 GMT
#14
But... from what I remember of the hotkeys... you can change them...

I have changed my hotkeys and I know what to set a ctrl group you have to press both ctrl and the key you want to group with it at the same time...

Can't confirm as SC2 updating,99.9% sure you can change away from ctrl.
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 07:44:24
August 01 2012 07:44 GMT
#15
How about using "TheCore" keyboard setup. They use the right side of the keyboard, so you use your thumb for ctrl, shift etc. Does that help?

Also it supposedly improves your mechanics a lot once you are used to it.
yokohama
Profile Joined February 2005
United States1116 Posts
August 01 2012 07:45 GMT
#16
I dont know what kind of mouse you have, but I have a Sensei and have bound shift and ctrl to mouse 4 and 5 where my thumb is and it has made playing so much more comfortable and actually feels more natural to me. Maybe that could be an option?
Swwww
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Switzerland812 Posts
August 01 2012 07:53 GMT
#17
Great OP, 10/10 would read again.
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 01 2012 07:59 GMT
#18
On August 01 2012 16:23 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 16:18 Synapze wrote:
Is there a reason blizzard doesn't let you set a control group modifier to something other than alt/ctrl? These keys are the main reason people get carpal tunnel. Control especially. If blizzard let us use mouse 5 for example, people would be injured much less.

The use of Shift/Ctrl/Alt keys in combination with number keys are what cause these issues, and they should seriously look into a different approach.

Don't use the tip of your finger to hit Ctrl, use the more fleshy trunk of the finger (like, just above the palm), I don't really know how to describe it in English, so...

Here, do it like MKP:...
:D


This is so genius... I might actually give it a try (not only in starcraft, but also in other programs).
Ercster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States603 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 08:16:50
August 01 2012 08:10 GMT
#19
On August 01 2012 16:18 Synapze wrote:
Is there a reason blizzard doesn't let you set a control group modifier to something other than alt/ctrl? These keys are the main reason people get carpal tunnel. Control especially. If blizzard let us use mouse 5 for example, people would be injured much less.

The use of Shift/Ctrl/Alt keys in combination with number keys are what cause these issues, and they should seriously look into a different approach.

Um...... carpal tunnel is just a repetitive use injury. Control, shirt, and alt have don't have anymore negative effect than just typing.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001469/
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Ercster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States603 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 08:16:24
August 01 2012 08:13 GMT
#20
On August 01 2012 16:24 intense555 wrote:
For some reason I don't have any problems with Carpal Tunnel, I keep my hands elevated above my elbows about 1-2 inches and my hands in an angle like this / \

I've seen a physical therapist for possible carpal tunnel, it turned out to be pulled nerves instead, but he was saying that the best posture one should use is 90 degrees. So you have your wrists straight and elbows at 90 degree angles, then your knees should be at 90 degrees too.
Like this:
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Sorkoas
Profile Joined May 2010
549 Posts
August 01 2012 08:16 GMT
#21
On August 01 2012 16:18 Synapze wrote:
Is there a reason blizzard doesn't let you set a control group modifier to something other than alt/ctrl? These keys are the main reason people get carpal tunnel. Control especially. If blizzard let us use mouse 5 for example, people would be injured much less.

The use of Shift/Ctrl/Alt keys in combination with number keys are what cause these issues, and they should seriously look into a different approach.

Got any source for your claims?
CaptainAmerica
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States89 Posts
August 01 2012 08:21 GMT
#22
you can also swap the space bar with your control key (or any other two keys) outside of sc2. like right now i am typing this with the ctrl key as my space bar which slows me down, but then in-game the space is my ctrl key =D. i use a razer marauder and can swap the key functions within the razer software. then, the key swap is about three clicks away. there are other ways to do this as well if you don't own a razer keyboard...i think. gl hf
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VATO_Gandair
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States232 Posts
August 01 2012 08:36 GMT
#23
I thought it was your cubital tunnel that affected that side of the hand? I've had cubital tunnel issues since november. Carpal is the thumb and index finger side of the hand. Cubital is pinky and ring from what I'm told.
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Synapze
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada563 Posts
August 01 2012 08:38 GMT
#24
On August 01 2012 17:21 CaptainAmerica wrote:
you can also swap the space bar with your control key (or any other two keys) outside of sc2. like right now i am typing this with the ctrl key as my space bar which slows me down, but then in-game the space is my ctrl key =D. i use a razer marauder and can swap the key functions within the razer software. then, the key swap is about three clicks away. there are other ways to do this as well if you don't own a razer keyboard...i think. gl hf


Thanks, I will try and see of my laptop keyboard can reprogram.. it's designed by steel-series so there hopefully is some functionality.
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bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
August 01 2012 09:04 GMT
#25
You realize the pinky finger has nothing to do with carpal tunnel right? xD
buckKeefe
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States63 Posts
August 01 2012 09:11 GMT
#26
why not remap capslock to control? you dont need capslock anyway, and its pretty easy to do in any operating system, especially OS X. i can't imagine playing any other way, although i guess that could be a problem at LANs if you can't set it up the way you want.
MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
August 01 2012 09:16 GMT
#27
What I would've loved to do but couldn't with a razer mouse is use a ctrl+click macro for the middle mouse button. I feel this would help so much, especially for a Zerg struggling to select zerglings and such. Is anyone doing that?
Arcanefrost
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium1257 Posts
August 01 2012 09:24 GMT
#28
You are wrong, carpal tunnel is caused by an abnormally high repetition of movements. Ctrl/shift have nothing to do with it.
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SpeaKEaSY
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1070 Posts
August 01 2012 09:33 GMT
#29
I have CTRL mapped to capslock via a switch on my keyboard, makes it a lot more comfortable.
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Detri
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom683 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 09:53:50
August 01 2012 09:41 GMT
#30
As someone with CTS, I find this OP nonsense. Do you even know what CTS is? Or what causes it?


<edit> realised my post wasn't useful at all, CTS is a repetitive strain injury caused by repetitive movement, ie spamming ANY keys this is why I play with about 80ish apm, because I try my best not to over spam keys when I play. Your mouse hand is far more prone to it than your keyboard hand. It affects the thumb and 2 forefingers on the right side on your left hand, not your pinky finger. It's an entirely different nerve.

The median nerve whats effected by CTS, pressure builds up in the carpal sheath due to scar tissue/odema(swelling) so its actually more to do with your wrist than you fingers.

Misinformation like this is dangerous, you should atleast try to google something to make sure you have your facts straight before making a thread on a site populated entirely by gamers.

I hope no-one takes this shit seriously!

</edit>
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xwoGworwaTsx
Profile Joined April 2012
United States984 Posts
August 01 2012 09:45 GMT
#31
Agree. Cltr and Alt should be customized as well
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
August 01 2012 09:48 GMT
#32
On August 01 2012 16:21 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 16:18 Synapze wrote:
Is there a reason blizzard doesn't let you set a control group modifier to something other than alt/ctrl? These keys are the main reason people get carpal tunnel. Control especially. If blizzard let us use mouse 5 for example, people would be injured much less.

The use of Shift/Ctrl/Alt keys in combination with number keys are what cause these issues, and they should seriously look into a different approach.


Which finger do you use to press ctrl and alt?


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Detri
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom683 Posts
August 01 2012 09:55 GMT
#33
On August 01 2012 17:21 CaptainAmerica wrote:
you can also swap the space bar with your control key (or any other two keys) outside of sc2. like right now i am typing this with the ctrl key as my space bar which slows me down, but then in-game the space is my ctrl key =D. i use a razer marauder and can swap the key functions within the razer software. then, the key swap is about three clicks away. there are other ways to do this as well if you don't own a razer keyboard...i think. gl hf



just change your ingame hotkeys. seems like alot of annoyance for no reason.
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Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
August 01 2012 09:57 GMT
#34
On August 01 2012 18:48 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 16:21 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On August 01 2012 16:18 Synapze wrote:
Is there a reason blizzard doesn't let you set a control group modifier to something other than alt/ctrl? These keys are the main reason people get carpal tunnel. Control especially. If blizzard let us use mouse 5 for example, people would be injured much less.

The use of Shift/Ctrl/Alt keys in combination with number keys are what cause these issues, and they should seriously look into a different approach.


Which finger do you use to press ctrl and alt?


Thumb

Feels amazing


Brofist. Thumb all the way.
Giku
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands368 Posts
August 01 2012 10:00 GMT
#35
On August 01 2012 17:13 Ercster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 16:24 intense555 wrote:
For some reason I don't have any problems with Carpal Tunnel, I keep my hands elevated above my elbows about 1-2 inches and my hands in an angle like this / \

I've seen a physical therapist for possible carpal tunnel, it turned out to be pulled nerves instead, but he was saying that the best posture one should use is 90 degrees. So you have your wrists straight and elbows at 90 degree angles, then your knees should be at 90 degrees too.
Like this:
[image loading]

This has to be common knowledge for sure?
I've had this setup for about 10 years, it also feels the best if you sit like this, sure I might hang back when I'm watching a youtube/movie-clip (as in, my whole chair hangs backwards) but my basic posture is this.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
August 01 2012 10:05 GMT
#36
On August 01 2012 18:48 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 16:21 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
On August 01 2012 16:18 Synapze wrote:
Is there a reason blizzard doesn't let you set a control group modifier to something other than alt/ctrl? These keys are the main reason people get carpal tunnel. Control especially. If blizzard let us use mouse 5 for example, people would be injured much less.

The use of Shift/Ctrl/Alt keys in combination with number keys are what cause these issues, and they should seriously look into a different approach.


Which finger do you use to press ctrl and alt?


Thumb

Feels amazing

Haha, HuK does that as well.
Kroml
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 10:11:25
August 01 2012 10:09 GMT
#37
Blizzard is killing Nervus Medianus, thus players, thus e-sports...
CaptainAmerica
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States89 Posts
August 01 2012 10:20 GMT
#38
On August 01 2012 18:55 Detri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 17:21 CaptainAmerica wrote:
you can also swap the space bar with your control key (or any other two keys) outside of sc2. like right now i am typing this with the ctrl key as my space bar which slows me down, but then in-game the space is my ctrl key =D. i use a razer marauder and can swap the key functions within the razer software. then, the key swap is about three clicks away. there are other ways to do this as well if you don't own a razer keyboard...i think. gl hf



just change your ingame hotkeys. seems like alot of annoyance for no reason.


NO, this is different. you can't make "space + 1" = create control group 1. only "alt," "ctrl," and "shift" can serve the function of "space" in that equation...so remap any other key, using external software, to the function of alt, ctrl, or shift and THEN change your in-game hotkeys. OR, not.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
August 01 2012 12:03 GMT
#39
this isn't threadworthy.
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